Frank Ntilikina is GROWING!

[kamaze]

That's your opinion then, I'm okay with that. But I disagree with it big time.

Dennis Smith Jr.
15 ppg 5 assissts and 3.8 rebounds a game

Frank
6ppg 3 assists 2 rebounds a game

Numbers don't lie.

Going by your logic...

Based on rookie numbers Michael Carter Williams was the best player from his draft class. I'm sure Portland and Milwaukee wish they had him over McCollum and Giannis. Rookie numbers don't lie.

You'd be crazy yo want him over Dennis Smith Jr before the draft and a year later he hasn't shown anything to change that.
Put up or shut up let's make a sig bet I say he's out of the league in 5 years.

[KnickFan33]

Dennis Smith Jr.
15 ppg 5 assissts and 3.8 rebounds a game

Frank
6ppg 3 assists 2 rebounds a game

Numbers don't lie.

Going by your logic...

Based on rookie numbers Michael Carter Williams was the best player from his draft class. I'm sure Portland and Milwaukee wish they had him over McCollum and Giannis. Rookie numbers don't lie.

You're taking this a bit too serious

I was just trying to point out that not everything is known seeing as to how it was their rookie years.




You'd be crazy yo want him over Dennis Smith Jr before the draft and a year later he hasn't shown anything to change that.
Put up or shut up let's make a sig bet I say he's out of the league in 5 years.

[LastNameEver]

If he can develop into George Hill do the Knicks consider it a win? Or do you expect more?

thats just satisfactory.

for were he was taken and who he was taken over, you atleast gotta come out with a fringe star.

[kamaze]

That's what I thought.

[NYKHardKnock]

Dennis Smith Jr.
15 ppg 5 assissts and 3.8 rebounds a game

Frank
6ppg 3 assists 2 rebounds a game

Numbers don't lie.

Going by your logic...

Based on rookie numbers Michael Carter Williams was the best player from his draft class. I'm sure Portland and Milwaukee wish they had him over McCollum and Giannis. Rookie numbers don't lie.

You'd be crazy yo want him over Dennis Smith Jr before the draft and a year later he hasn't shown anything to change that.
Put up or shut up let's make a sig bet I say he's out of the league in 5 years.

Players like DSJr don't win. Look at players like Westbrook, Iverson, etc who are dominate guards, they aren't winning guards, especally when they don't play defense. Unless you have players like LeBron James on your team. I'd rather have a team first, defensive guy.

[DusterBuster]

When is he going to grow into a good basketball player?

[Ignitowsky]

Dennis Smith Jr.
15 ppg 5 assissts and 3.8 rebounds a game

Frank
6ppg 3 assists 2 rebounds a game

Numbers don't lie.

Going by your logic...

Based on rookie numbers Michael Carter Williams was the best player from his draft class. I'm sure Portland and Milwaukee wish they had him over McCollum and Giannis. Rookie numbers don't lie.

You'd be crazy yo want him over Dennis Smith Jr before the draft and a year later he hasn't shown anything to change that.
Put up or shut up let's make a sig bet I say he's out of the league in 5 years.

Their offensive numbers are much closer when you look at / 36, and there's no doubt that Dennis Smith Jr was more NBA ready going into last year then Frank was. Frank did have a much better year defensively than Smith did. I seem to remember a quote right after he got drafted where he said something to the effect that now I'm going to have to learn how to play defense. I don't think he has all the concepts down yet.

Making a bet about what will happen 5 years from now is a joke. I'll make you a Sig bet the Franks / 36 numbers this coming season will be as good as Smith's, or better.

[kamaze]

Going by your logic...

Based on rookie numbers Michael Carter Williams was the best player from his draft class. I'm sure Portland and Milwaukee wish they had him over McCollum and Giannis. Rookie numbers don't lie.

You'd be crazy yo want him over Dennis Smith Jr before the draft and a year later he hasn't shown anything to change that.
Put up or shut up let's make a sig bet I say he's out of the league in 5 years.

Their offensive numbers are much closer when you look at / 36, and there's no doubt that Dennis Smith Jr was more NBA ready going into last year then Frank was. Frank did have a much better year defensively than Smith did. I seem to remember a quote right after he got drafted where he said something to the effect that now I'm going to have to learn how to play defense. I don't think he has all the concepts down yet.

Making a bet about what will happen 5 years from now is a joke. I'll make you a Sig bet the Franks / 36 numbers this coming season will be as good as Smith's, or better.

Deal.

[NO-KG-AI]

Everyone thinks their young guys on their team are constantly growing.


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[LastNameEver]

Going by your logic...

Based on rookie numbers Michael Carter Williams was the best player from his draft class. I'm sure Portland and Milwaukee wish they had him over McCollum and Giannis. Rookie numbers don't lie.

You'd be crazy yo want him over Dennis Smith Jr before the draft and a year later he hasn't shown anything to change that.
Put up or shut up let's make a sig bet I say he's out of the league in 5 years.

Their offensive numbers are much closer when you look at / 36, and there's no doubt that Dennis Smith Jr was more NBA ready going into last year then Frank was. Frank did have a much better year defensively than Smith did. I seem to remember a quote right after he got drafted where he said something to the effect that now I'm going to have to learn how to play defense. I don't think he has all the concepts down yet.

Making a bet about what will happen 5 years from now is a joke. I'll make you a Sig bet the Franks / 36 numbers this coming season will be as good as Smith's, or better.

why would Frank need a per 36..whats stopping him from actually playing 36+ minutes next season ?

[magnumt]

Was his season really bad? We knew he is huge project offensively, but his defense looked even better than advertised. Reminds me of Jrue Holiday, who I also liked very much as prospect (they both came into the league very young).

It was. At JUST 19 years old, he set a lot of records for the Knicks & League for Defensive stats given his age. IIRC too, he was ranked VERY high among ALL Players in the League for some Defensive Stats (not just Rookies).

And then, there's this:

Spoiler:

--Mags

[KnickFan33]

That's what I thought.

Why not make it more interesting? Willing to put money on whether or not frank is in the league in 5 years?

[kamaze]

That's what I thought.

Why not make it more interesting? Willing to put money on whether or not frank is in the league in 5 years?

Not with someone I don't know here.

[nyk97]

Is Frank Ntilikina still studying DeMar DeRozan?

Wait a minute, isn't Chris Brickley the old shooting coach of Markelle Fultz?

Not sure I want a shooting coach whose name is BRICKley.

chris brickley is mitchells offseason coach for what its worth.

[Trippinskarlo]

What's a good ceiling comp for him?

Not ceiling but Scary Terry is realistic. Frank bigger and longer though.

[Capn'O]

When is he going to grow into a good basketball player?

I'd put good money on:

- Before your exiled mod alias comes back

and

- Before you turn into a good poster



Now stop trolling our forum.

[GordanFreeman]

Going by your logic...

Based on rookie numbers Michael Carter Williams was the best player from his draft class. I'm sure Portland and Milwaukee wish they had him over McCollum and Giannis. Rookie numbers don't lie.

You'd be crazy yo want him over Dennis Smith Jr before the draft and a year later he hasn't shown anything to change that.
Put up or shut up let's make a sig bet I say he's out of the league in 5 years.

Players like DSJr don't win. Look at players like Westbrook, Iverson, etc who are dominate guards, they aren't winning guards, especally when they don't play defense. Unless you have players like LeBron James on your team. I'd rather have a team first, defensive guy.

Players like Frank don't win. Look at Jordan Clarkson, Michael Carter Williams, etc who suck. They aren't winning players.
What I typed above is as short sighted and dumb as what you typed tbh. Both guys are young and will probably improve. DSJ was bad last year but Frank was so much worse.

[DusterBuster]

When is he going to grow into a good basketball player?

I'd put good money on:

- Before your exiled mod alias comes back

and

- Before you turn into a good poster



Now stop trolling our forum.

Last time I checked, this is The General Board.... Not sure what you mean by "our form".

Also...

[Ignitowsky]

You'd be crazy yo want him over Dennis Smith Jr before the draft and a year later he hasn't shown anything to change that.
Put up or shut up let's make a sig bet I say he's out of the league in 5 years.

Their offensive numbers are much closer when you look at / 36, and there's no doubt that Dennis Smith Jr was more NBA ready going into last year then Frank was. Frank did have a much better year defensively than Smith did. I seem to remember a quote right after he got drafted where he said something to the effect that now I'm going to have to learn how to play defense. I don't think he has all the concepts down yet.

Making a bet about what will happen 5 years from now is a joke. I'll make you a Sig bet the Franks / 36 numbers this coming season will be as good as Smith's, or better.

why would Frank need a per 36..whats stopping him from actually playing 36+ minutes next season ?

Because it's unfair to compare two players when one of them plays a lot more minutes than the other. I think Frank's minutes this year will probably be close to 30 this coming season, but what if Smith ends up playing an average of only 20? That would be as unfair as the opposite. Using per 36 allows you to more fairly compared to players

[Frank Dux]

Was his season really bad? We knew he is huge project offensively, but his defense looked even better than advertised. Reminds me of Jrue Holiday, who I also liked very much as prospect (they both came into the league very young).

We write off rookies way too soon.