Troy Brown

doordoor123 · Post #41 » by **doordoor123** » Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:50 am

I like him as I’ve said, but I have this nagging feeling he isn’t going to be a first rounder. There are so many wings that are good and ready. Like Miles Bridges, Mikal Bridges, Jacob Evans, Melvin Frazier, Chandler Hutchison, Zhaire Smith, Kevin Knox, Lonnie Walker, Dzanan Musa, Anfernee Simons, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, etc. I think he should return to school and try to be the alpha on Oregon next year. I don’t think his stock could get much worse than it is now since most of his stock is based on natural ability. If he plays better next year he could possibly be a top 10 pick.

Post #42 » by **GimmeDat** » Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:20 am

doordoor123 wrote:I like him as I’ve said, but I have this nagging feeling he isn’t going to be a first rounder. There are so many wings that are good and ready. Like Miles Bridges, Mikal Bridges, Jacob Evans, Melvin Frazier, Chandler Hutchison, Zhaire Smith, Kevin Knox, Lonnie Walker, Dzanan Musa, Anfernee Simons, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, etc. I think he should return to school and try to be the alpha on Oregon next year. I don’t think his stock could get much worse than it is now since most of his stock is based on natural ability. If he plays better next year he could possibly be a top 10 pick.

In my head I've had him late lottery, but as I put together recent big boards, I just found him slipping to about 20 at least.

doordoor123 · Post #43 » by **doordoor123** » Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:41 am

GimmeDat wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:I like him as I’ve said, but I have this nagging feeling he isn’t going to be a first rounder. There are so many wings that are good and ready. Like Miles Bridges, Mikal Bridges, Jacob Evans, Melvin Frazier, Chandler Hutchison, Zhaire Smith, Kevin Knox, Lonnie Walker, Dzanan Musa, Anfernee Simons, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, etc. I think he should return to school and try to be the alpha on Oregon next year. I don’t think his stock could get much worse than it is now since most of his stock is based on natural ability. If he plays better next year he could possibly be a top 10 pick.

In my head I've had him late lottery, but as I put together recent big boards, I just found him slipping to about 20 at least.

Yes, he’s a draft pick that can be good in the future, but so many guys right now can contribute more right away. IMO those guys are really valuable over someone who has been really inconsistent and can’t really shoot yet. He isn’t even taking bad shots from 3, which says that it’s unlikely he pulls a Jaylen Brown and shoots threes well right away.

sipclip · Post #44 » by **sipclip** » Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:38 am

I have been watching a lot of video on Brown and I'm starting to like his game more and more. He didn't shoot well from 3pt range but he has really nice form on his jumper and I think it will turn into a strength rather quickly. The guy is also sneaky athletic similar to what we saw from Paul Pierce. Give him a couple years to work on his body and he is going to end up being a beast in my opinion.

EvanZ · Post #45 » by **EvanZ** » Thu Apr 19, 2018 5:25 am

What he's really got going for him is youth. I think he's the 3rd or 4th youngest player in the Draft.

Legend_T · Post #46 » by **Legend_T** » Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:30 pm

I'd like him in Denver

King Ken · Post #47 » by **King Ken** » Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:59 pm

The 7-22 is extremely tight for me so he could go as high as 8 and as low as 22 for me. It depends what the team is looking for

Catchall · Post #48 » by **Catchall** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:59 am

I think he's on the Jazz's shortlist for #21, but probably not at the top of the list.

BadWolf · Post #49 » by **BadWolf** » Sat Jun 2, 2018 10:08 pm

He's the least talked about first round prospect. Usuall projected in late teens.. Uath at 21, okc, Milwaukee all seem like a nice fit.

doordoor123 · Post #50 » by **doordoor123** » Sat Jun 2, 2018 10:11 pm

Legend_T wrote:I'd like him in Denver

I actually do too. Think it’s a great fit.

doordoor123 · Post #51 » by **doordoor123** » Sat Jun 2, 2018 10:14 pm

I can’t belive I detracted from him, I’m still a fan of Troy Brown. I still think Paul Pierce is his ultimate upside. He reminds me so much of him.

Post #52 » by **GimmeDat** » Sun Jun 3, 2018 12:53 am

Denver's a great fit. Would love him on the Bulls, too, especially if he can play the 3.

PLO · Post #53 » by **PLO** » Sun Jun 3, 2018 1:43 am

He'd have an argument as being the worst athlete given a first round grade in this draft. Mikal is also in that conversation. He's definitely skilled but the question is will those skills really help him in the NBA given ball-handling wings without a shot are about as useful as tits on a bull in this league.

doordoor123 · Post #54 » by **doordoor123** » Sun Jun 3, 2018 2:11 am

PLO wrote:He'd have an argument as being the worst athlete given a first round grade in this draft. Mikal is also in that conversation. He's definitely skilled but the question is will those skills really help him in the NBA given ball-handling wings without a shot are about as useful as tits on a bull in this league.

He’s not a bad athlete at all.

PLO · Post #55 » by **PLO** » Sun Jun 3, 2018 2:44 am

doordoor123 wrote:
PLO wrote:He'd have an argument as being the worst athlete given a first round grade in this draft. Mikal is also in that conversation. He's definitely skilled but the question is will those skills really help him in the NBA given ball-handling wings without a shot are about as useful as tits on a bull in this league.

He’s not a bad athlete at all.

Are we talking vertically? Because I disagree wholeheartedly.

connseanery · Post #56 » by **connseanery** » Sun Jun 3, 2018 4:47 am

He's functionally better on the court but he tested as one of the worst wings at the combine.

https://stats.nba.com/draft/combine-strength-agility/

doordoor123 · Post #57 » by **doordoor123** » Sun Jun 3, 2018 5:12 am

connseanery wrote:He's functionally better on the court but he tested as one of the worst wings at the combine.

https://stats.nba.com/draft/combine-strength-agility/

It’s not bad, just average. And I’m not sold on his combine results. I’ve seen him get high for rebounds and hover around the basket to finish. Maybe he just has really good body control. I’ve seen him a good amount in the season and I just can’t belive he’s not athletic. Especially since he’s so fluid, is pretty quick off of one foot and changes direction easily.

PLO · Post #58 » by **PLO** » Sun Jun 3, 2018 8:43 am

doordoor123 wrote:
connseanery wrote:He's functionally better on the court but he tested as one of the worst wings at the combine.

https://stats.nba.com/draft/combine-strength-agility/

It’s not bad, just average. And I’m not sold on his combine results. I’ve seen him get high for rebounds and hover around the basket to finish. Maybe he just has really good body control. I’ve seen him a good amount in the season and I just can’t belive he’s not athletic. Especially since he’s so fluid, is pretty quick off of one foot and changes direction easily.

We must be watching a different player; he's in the right position in a lot of situations because he does have good game IQ, but he's not a good athlete and if you're saying he's "average" in terms of NBA players I think you're being way to generous. I'll give you he's fluid and a good mover but a lot of that is just down to the fact he is fairly skilled. Like I said though while that is nice a lot of it is fairly pointless given he's going to be swamped by better NBA athletes; his upper outcome is really dependent on his shot given that will open up avenues for him where he can use his handle/passing. For me the Evan Turner comps are legit, and he's a reach in the lottery.

No-Man · Post #59 » by **No-Man** » Sun Jun 3, 2018 9:13 am

PLO wrote:He'd have an argument as being the worst athlete given a first round grade in this draft. Mikal is also in that conversation. He's definitely skilled but the question is will those skills really help him in the NBA given ball-handling wings without a shot are about as useful as tits on a bull in this league.

Mikal is a fine athlete, not like elite but above avg for his height and tools, really good movement skills, a bit lacking in terms of strength but competes, and underrated vertically

Brown has some quicks, I like him laterally, he is just not explosive and has 0 in terms of 2nd jump, but a guy with size/strength package at his age, with the ability to read the game and pass, and not a broken jumper, not there but it looks promising, that's someone you draft in the 1st always.

PLO · Post #60 » by **PLO** » Sun Jun 3, 2018 9:54 am

Fischella wrote:
PLO wrote:He'd have an argument as being the worst athlete given a first round grade in this draft. Mikal is also in that conversation. He's definitely skilled but the question is will those skills really help him in the NBA given ball-handling wings without a shot are about as useful as tits on a bull in this league.

Mikal is a fine athlete, not like elite but above avg for his height and tools, really good movement skills, a bit lacking in terms of strength but competes, and underrated vertically

Brown has some quicks, I like him laterally, he is just not explosive and has 0 in terms of 2nd jump, but a guy with size/strength package at his age, with the ability to read the game and pass, and not a broken jumper, not there but it looks promising, that's someone you draft in the 1st always.

I wish he'd done the combine so I could disprove that claim, but basically we'll never know. However in terms of game tape vertically he really struggles to get above the rim despite having a very good wingspan/reach and offensively he almost completely lacks the ability to drive around an opponent one on one, which is a sure sign of a lack of burst. Not to mention the fact he's not really all that good as a one on one defender and has been cooked a number of times in such situations, which displays a lack of athleticism. He's a better athlete for his size than Troy Brown but that isn't saying much. Having said all of that while this isn't great for Mikal's NBA outcome quite a deal of this is mitigated by the fact he is very long.

Also, in terms of wing athletes, both of these would be in a bottom percentile in this draft in terms of top 40 players, guys like Khyri Thomas get hammered for their athleticism but he's likely at least on par with a Mikal Bridges and probably ahead of him in that area TBH, even if he's not the same level of prospect overall.

You once described Melvin Frazier as "toolsy" in a derogatory fashion on these boards but he at least has the athleticism to cope in the league, as do guys like Okogie or the smaller Lonnie Walker for that matter. Having a long reach is great but not if you can't stay in front of a man laterally which will be Mikal's big problem in the league.