Official Caris LeVert Thread

[IcyVeins]

Caris needs to learn how to play in different speeds...

Lin had this problem in his KNick days as well.

[NyCeEvO]

Caris needs to learn how to play in different speeds...

Lin had this problem in his KNick days as well.

I've been saying the same thing.

Training with Kevin Durant is fun and cool but he needs to train CP3, Steph, and other elite ballhandlers who use change of pace/speed to beat their defender. Caris tends to exert 100% energy in every step, crossover, and move in his attack. Learning how to move at different speeds will add a much needed part to his game, considering how often he has the ball in his hands.

[IcyVeins]

Caris needs to learn how to play in different speeds...

Lin had this problem in his KNick days as well.

I've been saying the same thing.

Training with Kevin Durant is fun and cool but he needs to train CP3, Steph, and other elite ballhandlers who use change of pace/speed to beat their defender. Caris tends to exert 100% energy in every step, crossover, and move in his attack. Learning how to move at different speeds will add a much needed part to his game, considering how often he has the ball in his hands.

Or even learn a thing from DLO about pacing himself and using craftiness in his handles, rather than be full speed all the time.

[kamaze]

NOOOOOOOO He learned how to turn the ball over and not play defense from DLo already. He also picked up the me ball style DLo plays with. The coach wants them playing an unselfish team game.

[MrDollarBills]

NOOOOOOOO He learned how to turn the ball over and not play defense from DLo already. He also picked up the me ball style DLo plays with. The coach wants them playing an unselfish team game.

dude...you're literally making stuff up.

I know what their common trait is right now...they're both inconsistent as hell and that needs to change come next season.

[MrDollarBills]

Caris needs to learn how to play in different speeds...

Lin had this problem in his KNick days as well.

I've been saying the same thing.

Training with Kevin Durant is fun and cool but he needs to train CP3, Steph, and other elite ballhandlers who use change of pace/speed to beat their defender. Caris tends to exert 100% energy in every step, crossover, and move in his attack. Learning how to move at different speeds will add a much needed part to his game, considering how often he has the ball in his hands.

yeah I agree...his drives are pretty much 100% pedal to the metal. While its cool to see that kind of aggressive play, he could tend to learn how to switch things up. there were more than a few games where teams closed up those lanes and he wasn't as effective off of the dribble (versus Milwaukee comes to mind).

[vincecarter4pres]

Caris needs to learn how to play in different speeds...

Lin had this problem in his KNick days as well.

I've been saying the same thing.

Training with Kevin Durant is fun and cool but he needs to train CP3, Steph, and other elite ballhandlers who use change of pace/speed to beat their defender. Caris tends to exert 100% energy in every step, crossover, and move in his attack. Learning how to move at different speeds will add a much needed part to his game, considering how often he has the ball in his hands.

Well his nickname is Baby Durant!

[NyCeEvO]

Caris needs to learn how to play in different speeds...

Lin had this problem in his KNick days as well.

I've been saying the same thing.

Training with Kevin Durant is fun and cool but he needs to train CP3, Steph, and other elite ballhandlers who use change of pace/speed to beat their defender. Caris tends to exert 100% energy in every step, crossover, and move in his attack. Learning how to move at different speeds will add a much needed part to his game, considering how often he has the ball in his hands.

Well his nickname is Baby Durant!

They share the same slender build, but (while efficient) Levert was nowhere near the scorer KD was at Texas.

However, if Caris ever brought his NBA shooting percentages up to the level that of his college days, he'd be a very good all around player.

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[kamaze]

NOOOOOOOO He learned how to turn the ball over and not play defense from DLo already. He also picked up the me ball style DLo plays with. The coach wants them playing an unselfish team game.

dude...you're literally making stuff up.

I know what their common trait is right now...they're both inconsistent as hell and that needs to change come next season.

So he didn't double his turnovers last year? Him and DLo practiced exclusively together all year. The defense also got worse when he came back from injury. It was as high as 22 without him they ended up 29th.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leverca01.html

“When you look at the stats, we’re a much better defensive team than offensive team. Much like last year, we’re improving defensively,” coach Kenny Atkinson said. “I think we have the right schemes in place. Sometimes, the energy is not there [like the Jan. 10] Detroit game. But generally, I’ve been pleased with the defense.

“I think our offense needs to improve. It starts with taking care of the ball and better shot selection, and that’s going to be huge … We’ve got to be able to take care of it.”

The Nets ranked 23rd in defensive rating after that Dec. 31 loss to the Celtics, or eighth-worst. But in the games since they’ve been fourth, and the Nets are confident that’s an upward trend that can continue.

https://nypost.com/2018/01/22/nets-resurgent-defense-is-lifting-struggling-squad/

[MrDollarBills]

NOOOOOOOO He learned how to turn the ball over and not play defense from DLo already. He also picked up the me ball style DLo plays with. The coach wants them playing an unselfish team game.

dude...you're literally making stuff up.

I know what their common trait is right now...they're both inconsistent as hell and that needs to change come next season.

So he didn't double his turnovers last year? Him and DLo practiced exclusively together all year. The defense also got worse when he came back from injury. It was as high as 22 without him they ended up 29th.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leverca01.html

“When you look at the stats, we’re a much better defensive team than offensive team. Much like last year, we’re improving defensively,” coach Kenny Atkinson said. “I think we have the right schemes in place. Sometimes, the energy is not there [like the Jan. 10] Detroit game. But generally, I’ve been pleased with the defense.

“I think our offense needs to improve. It starts with taking care of the ball and better shot selection, and that’s going to be huge … We’ve got to be able to take care of it.”

The Nets ranked 23rd in defensive rating after that Dec. 31 loss to the Celtics, or eighth-worst. But in the games since they’ve been fourth, and the Nets are confident that’s an upward trend that can continue.

https://nypost.com/2018/01/22/nets-resurgent-defense-is-lifting-struggling-squad/

LeVert went from 1 TO a game to 2 TO a game in the midst of transitioning from a wing player primary ball handler and his usage rate went up. Of course something would have to give. That isn't Russell's fault...this is like the 10th time you've blamed another player's shortcomings on Russell and its absolutely silly.

Regarding the team defense, we already argued this. Ask the coaches why they chose to leave the on ball defender out on a limb while the big stands still watching PG shoot uncontested jumpers. Russell, Dinwiddie, and LeVert all struggled. This is not and never has been a one player issue.

[kamaze]

dude...you're literally making stuff up.

I know what their common trait is right now...they're both inconsistent as hell and that needs to change come next season.

So he didn't double his turnovers last year? Him and DLo practiced exclusively together all year. The defense also got worse when he came back from injury. It was as high as 22 without him they ended up 29th.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leverca01.html

“When you look at the stats, we’re a much better defensive team than offensive team. Much like last year, we’re improving defensively,” coach Kenny Atkinson said. “I think we have the right schemes in place. Sometimes, the energy is not there [like the Jan. 10] Detroit game. But generally, I’ve been pleased with the defense.

“I think our offense needs to improve. It starts with taking care of the ball and better shot selection, and that’s going to be huge … We’ve got to be able to take care of it.”

The Nets ranked 23rd in defensive rating after that Dec. 31 loss to the Celtics, or eighth-worst. But in the games since they’ve been fourth, and the Nets are confident that’s an upward trend that can continue.

https://nypost.com/2018/01/22/nets-resurgent-defense-is-lifting-struggling-squad/

LeVert went from 1 TO a game to 2 TO a game in the midst of transitioning from a wing player primary ball handler and his usage rate went up. Of course something would have to give. That isn't Russell's fault...this is like the 10th time you've blamed another player's shortcomings on Russell and its absolutely silly.

Yeah right he was the ball handler at Michigan and Kenny said he could play point guard his rookie year.

“It felt really good. It’s been a long time since I’ve practiced full-go, competed in live drills, so it was a great experience for me,’’ said LeVert, an off-guard who played some point at Michigan. “All the work I put in this summer, all the extra conditioning, it really paid off. Hopefully it’ll pay off going forward.”

“[I’ll do] whatever the team needs, honestly; someone who’ll come in and be competitive, share the ball, play both ends of the floor, hopefully do whatever it takes to get us some wins.”

https://nypost.com/2016/11/21/nets-finally-get-some-good-news-in-messy-point-guard-situation/

Regarding the team defense, we already argued this. Ask the coaches why they chose to leave the on ball defender out on a limb while the big stands still watching PG shoot uncontested jumpers. Russell, Dinwiddie, and LeVert all struggled. This is not and never has been a one player issue.

You got a link for that?

[MrDollarBills]

Random quotes from an article really don't refute the fact that his turnovers increasing by 1 a game have nothing to do with D'Angelo Russell, which is a point that you were trying to make without any semblance of evidence to prove it. This is why I keep telling you that you keep making stuff up to discredit Russell for no reason other than the fact that you don't like him. If you want to discuss the player's shortcomings by all means I'm always up for that, but under the pretext that the discussion is going to be intellectually honest. You saying "He learned how to turn the ball over and not play defense from DLo already. He also picked up the me ball style DLo plays with." is a baseless assertion. You literally just made it up and tried to pass it off as fact dude. Come on now.

Also, what links do you need regarding the defense? Did you not watch this team play this season? The backcourt players were all getting smoked in Pick and roll coverage. The same defensive strategy that led to Brook Lopez watching PGs make uncontested jumpers off of a screen is the same one that led to Jarrett Allen doing the same thing.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

Random quotes from an article really don't refute the fact that his turnovers increasing by 1 a game have nothing to do with D'Angelo Russell, which is a point that you were trying to make without any semblance of evidence to prove it. This is why I keep telling you that you keep making stuff up to discredit Russell for no reason other than the fact that you don't like him. If you want to discuss the player's shortcomings by all means I'm always up for that, but under the pretext that the discussion is going to be intellectually honest. You saying "He learned how to turn the ball over and not play defense from DLo already. He also picked up the me ball style DLo plays with." is a baseless assertion. You literally just made it up and tried to pass it off as fact dude. Come on now.

Also, what links do you need regarding the defense? Did you not watch this team play this season? The backcourt players were all getting smoked in Pick and roll coverage. The same defensive strategy that led to Brook Lopez watching PGs make uncontested jumpers off of a screen is the same one that led to Jarrett Allen doing the same thing.

You’re wasting your time my friend. We all have our issues with Russell but this guy has an irrational hatred. Maybe he’s a Nick Young burner account .

[IcyVeins]

Bro, Nick Young might be a knucklehead, but I doubt that dude hates anyone. Dude lives too free.....

Only person that trashed DLO was Magic Johnson

[kamaze]

what links do you need regarding the defense? Did you not watch this team play this season? The backcourt players were all getting smoked in Pick and roll coverage. The same defensive strategy that led to Brook Lopez watching PGs make uncontested jumpers off of a screen is the same one that led to Jarrett Allen doing the same thing.

One that backs up this:

Regarding the team defense, we already argued this. Ask the coaches why they chose to leave the on ball defender out on a limb while the big stands still watching PG shoot uncontested jumpers.

[MrDollarBills]

what links do you need regarding the defense? Did you not watch this team play this season? The backcourt players were all getting smoked in Pick and roll coverage. The same defensive strategy that led to Brook Lopez watching PGs make uncontested jumpers off of a screen is the same one that led to Jarrett Allen doing the same thing.

One that backs up this:

Regarding the team defense, we already argued this. Ask the coaches why they chose to leave the on ball defender out on a limb while the big stands still watching PG shoot uncontested jumpers.

wait, why would I need to provide a link for this? have you not been watching our games? how could you have not noticed this???

but here, since you asked, i went to the google for you:

https://nothinbutnets.com/2017/12/03/brooklyn-nets-improve-pick-roll-defense/

Kenny Atkinson, similar to most NBA coaches, instructs his guards to fight over the top of screens. This prevents opposing ball handlers from stepping back for an open jumper if a defender goes under the screen.

The Nets coaching staff instructs their big men to hang back on screens and stay in the paint. Atkinson feels they are not athletic enough to challenge ball handlers coming off screens. He needs them in the paint for rebounding, being that the Nets are undersized elsewhere.

But when the Nets big men hang back on screens, the guards are often unable to get over screens. They cannot get in front of their men without help. Therefore, if the opposing ball handler gets a good screen, he comes off to an easily make-able 15-foot jumper.

^This is the same exact thing that I just said. And the same thing happens whether or not Russell is in the game or not. Russell could have missed the entire season and our defense would have been still bad.

So in conclusion:

1) Caris LeVert's slight rise turnovers have nothing to do with D'Angelo Russell, and more to do with his usage going up and becoming a primary ball handler in the offense.

2) D'Angelo Russell is not the main reason as to why the Nets defense sucks. It is a combination of all of the backcourt players not being able to get through screens consistently (and there are a number of reasons for that), mixed with the fact that this strategy is implemented by design of the coaching staff because we don't have the personnel to switch on everything.

So is there any more stuff about Russell that you want to make up? Because its pretty easy to refute this stuff with facts.

[kamaze]

Thanks for the link finally lol now you can argue about his bad defense and turnovers pretend I made those up too, go!

[MrDollarBills]

I've pointed out Russell's turnovers and defensive lapses on here all the time. him taking care of the ball and shooting with better efficiency are far more important than his defense, PG defense is moot. I don't expect Russell to be plowing through screens every time down the floor either (I do expect him to make the effort to get around them though). That's unrealistic even if he is playing at 100mph on defense like say Jeremy Lin who physically couldn't get around every screen either (same for LeVert and Dinwiddie).

Anyway this is the Caris LeVert thread and we've derailed it because of your attempt to falsely blame one player for another player's shortcomings (and frankly, LeVert's rise in Tos from 1 to 2 a game is really not even worth discussing).

[kamaze]

what links do you need regarding the defense? Did you not watch this team play this season? The backcourt players were all getting smoked in Pick and roll coverage. The same defensive strategy that led to Brook Lopez watching PGs make uncontested jumpers off of a screen is the same one that led to Jarrett Allen doing the same thing.

One that backs up this:

Regarding the team defense, we already argued this. Ask the coaches why they chose to leave the on ball defender out on a limb while the big stands still watching PG shoot uncontested jumpers.

:lol: wait, why would I need to provide a link for this? have you not been watching our games? how could you have not noticed this???

but here, since you asked, i went to the google for you:

https://nothinbutnets.com/2017/12/03/brooklyn-nets-improve-pick-roll-defense/

Kenny Atkinson, similar to most NBA coaches, instructs his guards to fight over the top of screens. This prevents opposing ball handlers from stepping back for an open jumper if a defender goes under the screen.

The Nets coaching staff instructs their big men to hang back on screens and stay in the paint. Atkinson feels they are not athletic enough to challenge ball handlers coming off screens. He needs them in the paint for rebounding, being that the Nets are undersized elsewhere.

But when the Nets big men hang back on screens, the guards are often unable to get over screens. They cannot get in front of their men without help. Therefore, if the opposing ball handler gets a good screen, he comes off to an easily make-able 15-foot jumper.

^This is the same exact thing that I just said. And the same thing happens whether or not Russell is in the game or not. Russell could have missed the entire season and our defense would have been still bad.

So in conclusion:

1) Caris LeVert's slight rise turnovers have nothing to do with D'Angelo Russell, and more to do with his usage going up and becoming a primary ball handler in the offense.

2) D'Angelo Russell is not the main reason as to why the Nets defense sucks. It is a combination of all of the backcourt players not being able to get through screens consistently (and there are a number of reasons for that), mixed with the fact that this strategy is implemented by design of the coaching staff because we don't have the personnel to switch on everything.

So is there any more stuff about Russell that you want to make up? Because its pretty easy to refute this stuff with facts.

A player doesn't get influenced by the player he practices with all the time lmao. D"angelo had a big influence on the team ever since he came here.
And like I said he's been a ball handler since college but in your mind he just started last year.

DLo is the starting point guard bruh; and a horrible defender; he should get a lot of the blame. Of course he doesn't deserve all of it in a team sport.

[kamaze]

I've pointed out Russell's turnovers and defensive lapses on here all the time. him taking care of the ball and shooting with better efficiency are far more important than his defense, PG defense is moot. I don't expect Russell to be plowing through screens every time down the floor either (I do expect him to make the effort to get around them though). That's unrealistic even if he is playing at 100mph on defense like say Jeremy Lin who physically couldn't get around every screen either (same for LeVert and Dinwiddie).

Anyway this is the Caris LeVert thread and we've derailed it because of your attempt to falsely blame one player for another player's shortcomings (and frankly, LeVert's rise in Tos from 1 to 2 a game is really not even worth discussing).

He needs to improve in all those areas a pesky defender can disrupt the other team's offense also the effort is contagious.
I'd say turnovers and defense are the two things the team needs to improve on most. You can still win whether you're efficient or not. The team could use a penetrating point guard hopefully Lin can help with that.

“Our biggest thing this year is just playing defense. We keep preaching it but we’ve got to make improvements over there, man, because we gave up 120 [points] again. Individually and collectively that’s one of the main things we have to do,” said wing Allen Crabbe, admitting it wasn’t just too little hustle, or too late help or too much freelancing. Worringly, it was all of the above.

“Maybe a little bit of everything, concentration, principles. Sometimes if you help too much on one play you may not do it the next play, because you gave up a basket the last time. But we’ve just got to trust it, honestly. We just have to get better defensively overall, collectively and individually.”

“Collectively we’re just not moving the ball like we were in the beginning of the year. We better find the solution to that quick, because teams are just too good defensively. We’re not a one-on-one team; that’s not how we’re built. We’re built on ball movement and player movement. We have to get that back.”

The team struggled defending in the half court and in transition defense. They didn't have a plan B when th shots weren't falling they shot their way out of a lot of games.

It's the off season we're talking about the team..