Frank Ntilikina is GROWING!

[Kool_Name_Right]

I like him A lot at the 2 if he's a solid 6"6. So Young to the Knick?

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[PD28]

If he can develop into George Hill do the Knicks consider it a win? Or do you expect more?

thats just satisfactory.

for were he was taken and who he was taken over, you atleast gotta come out with a fringe star.

I still think it will be a couple years before he gets to Hill's level but I just don't see him reaching that offensive output. Decent chance he surpasses him on the defensive end tho.

[Clincher]

hes the next mardy collins...taking him over mitchell was the blunder of the decade

Ricky Rubio was taken over Step Curry, that doesn't mean Rubio is a failure. Yeah he might have gone over the far better player but that doesn't mean he stinks or can't be a good player.

People on this site judge too quickly a 1st year player's stats and adjustments to the NBA, for better or for worse. It's good Frank is putting in the work but that's to be expected. I want to see it on the floor when it matters most but he's done absolutely nothing wrong and doesn't deserve the criticism he got year 1. Knicks fans were just being impatient and wanted immediate results. Give him a good support/talent and coaching staff and he will only do better. Hornacek was trying to save his job and pulled him far sooner than he would say Jarrett Jack because of the experience and he wasn't given much to work with year 1, this was a barron dry team after KP got hurt. I want to see the Knicks get some talent this year in the draft and in FA and while maybe not make the playoffs to at least establish something and have worth while coaching led by the Fizdale hiring.

You aren't getting a superstar every single year with the 8th pick and he doesn't have to be one to warrant the selection or a rotation spot in the NBA or even a starting role

If the guy didn't care about this profession, he would not be doing this. He could just live off his 1st 4 year check and go overseas and call it a career but he isn't doing that.

[brutalitops]

Size was never his issue, He was a stud on the defensive end.

He did not having a bad Rookie year. He bothered dudes on the defensive side, He's just utterly raw in terms of playing the PG position. If he can get his jump shot to respectable he'll be a 10 year player

[_txchilibowl_]

I like the Kris Dunn comp. Both long, lanky defenders capable of playing both guard positions. Neither project to be offensive dynamos but neither hurt you by being on the floor either.

Edge to Frank because of his age though....

[The-Power]

I like the Kris Dunn comp. Both long, lanky defenders capable of playing both guard positions. Neither project to be offensive dynamos but neither hurt you by being on the floor either.

Edge to Frank because of his age though....

Ntilikina's shot is also much further ahead at the same age and should be clearly better soon. Dunn's definitely more athletic, though.

[ThumbsUpBaby]

Is he still considered the future PG? Because if he does develop the skillset that star PGs have, he'll be real scary.

[OGLife]

I think he can become a rich mans DeMar Derozan. Why bank on that when we can give you the real thing in exchange for Frank..

[Filthadelphia]

you dont draft a guard in the lotto to play defense. This kid was trash as a rookie.

its laughable people think he could turn into Jrue Holiday.

[R-DAWG]

If he can develop into George Hill do the Knicks consider it a win? Or do you expect more?

I mean a 6'6" George Hill with massive defensive if you ask me is pretty damn lethal

I would sign up now for Frank to turn into 6-6 George Hill (Indiana George Hill not Cleveland George Hill). Hill was never a star, never great at anything, but really had no flaws in his game. He wasn't great at breaking down defenses, but he could get to the rim. He wasn't an elite playmaker, but he could run an offense. He wasn't an elite shooter, but he was solid. Basically, everything you want in your 3rd/4th best starter. I don't think Frank is going to be making all star games, or be a guy that can carry a team. But you need solid, all around players. Then you factor in that he's 6-6 with a wingspan that makes him more like 6-8, that provides a coach with amazing versatility, both in terms of switching, but also you can slot him in at 3 positions. Big point guards also add value when you have an undersized SG (think Aaron McKie with Allen Iverson).

[jpengland]

Some very poor offensive thinking in Frank which may mean he never makes it in the NBA.

Take a look at Kemba Walker and Gary Payton rookie years.

And then look at literally 100s of other rookies who never did develop the necessary skills.

I'm not saying he definitely doesn't become a good offensive player, but right now the odds are that he doesn't.

He hasn't shown either volume or efficiency. He hasn't demonstrated a jump shot, not has he demonstrated an ability to beat guys off the dribble or get to spots. From what I have seen he can't finish at the rim when he does get there, either.

Often you can spot guys who have poor rookie years but clearly have a few traits which .makes the development easier. Probably the best conparisonnis DSj who has shown awful efficiency but has clearly shown an ability to get to spots to take his shots,make a large number of the.m (and missed even more!). That at least gives a base to work from. Frank is starting from zilch offensively.

[Pharmcat]

hes the next mardy collins...taking him over mitchell was the blunder of the decade

Ricky Rubio was taken over Step Curry, that doesn't mean Rubio is a failure. Yeah he might have gone over the far better player but that doesn't mean he stinks or can't be a good player.

People on this site judge too quickly a 1st year player's stats and adjustments to the NBA, for better or for worse. It's good Frank is putting in the work but that's to be expected. I want to see it on the floor when it matters most but he's done absolutely nothing wrong and doesn't deserve the criticism he got year 1. Knicks fans were just being impatient and wanted immediate results. Give him a good support/talent and coaching staff and he will only do better. Hornacek was trying to save his job and pulled him far sooner than he would say Jarrett Jack because of the experience and he wasn't given much to work with year 1, this was a barron dry team after KP got hurt. I want to see the Knicks get some talent this year in the draft and in FA and while maybe not make the playoffs to at least establish something and have worth while coaching led by the Fizdale hiring.

You aren't getting a superstar every single year with the 8th pick and he doesn't have to be one to warrant the selection or a rotation spot in the NBA or even a starting role

If the guy didn't care about this profession, he would not be doing this. He could just live off his 1st 4 year check and go overseas and call it a career but he isn't doing that.

yes it was a failure to take rubio over curry...thats why one is still with the team who drafted him and the other is gone

[Gant]

The thread title sounds like a 1950's low budget horror film.

[Pharmcat]

hes the next mardy collins...taking him over mitchell was the blunder of the decade

Mitchell is a star player no doubt. But Frank's current defensive game is absolutley game breaking, he was locking up Kyrie ffs. A 6'6" point guard who was a raw player will learn and become a star. He's going to become the point guard version of the unicorn. So yeah I doubt it becomes such a blunder down the road.

I wonder what Mitchell was doing at 19

its a losing battle to compare him to mitchell....mitchell is the better player hands down, took his team to the playoffs. frank avg 6 pts and 3 asts, mitchell averaged 20 pts and near 4 asts.. frank isnt even in the same league to hold mithchell's water

[Pharmcat]

If he can develop into George Hill do the Knicks consider it a win? Or do you expect more?

its a failure if he develops into george hill. he needs to have same impact as others taken after him to justify the pick (ie mitchell)

[Pharmcat]

hes the next mardy collins...taking him over mitchell was the blunder of the decade

Spare us the hyperbolic bs. The Knicks were one of 12 teams to pass on him. But you already knew that.

except most of those other 12 teams scored on their players and are happy with who they got . frank was 25th in rookies for ppg. total bust selection considering studs like mitchell were still available on the board

[NYKHardKnock]

hes the next mardy collins...taking him over mitchell was the blunder of the decade

Mitchell is a star player no doubt. But Frank's current defensive game is absolutley game breaking, he was locking up Kyrie ffs. A 6'6" point guard who was a raw player will learn and become a star. He's going to become the point guard version of the unicorn. So yeah I doubt it becomes such a blunder down the road.

I wonder what Mitchell was doing at 19

its a losing battle to compare him to mitchell....mitchell is the better player hands down, took his team to the playoffs. frank avg 6 pts and 3 asts, mitchell averaged 20 pts and near 4 asts.. frank isnt even in the same league to hold mithchell's water

I don't disagree... Well aware. But let's just cut the Frank hate until he's Mitchell's age

[LastNameEver]

I think he can become a rich mans DeMar Derozan. Why bank on that when we can give you the real thing in exchange for Frank..

Nobody trading Demar for Frank. You out your cotdamn mind lol

[CrazyKnicks]

you dont draft a guard in the lotto to play defense. This kid was trash as a rookie.

its laughable people think he could turn into Jrue Holiday.

Exactly, this guy is looking like a bust and some people on this board make him sound like the next Giannis or something. The guy was struggling to look good on the floor when the Knicks were in full tank mode, that tells you a lot. You can always get "defenders" in the second round, a lotto pick needs to be better than this. I just view him as a failed pick and realistically a role player off the bench on a good team.

[Jonathan starks]

you dont draft a guard in the lotto to play defense. This kid was trash as a rookie.

its laughable people think he could turn into Jrue Holiday.

He has nothing in common with holiday. I could seeing him playing in China sooon. He sucks