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Who would you rather take at 16 if one of these guys slipped?

Collin Sexton
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Miles Bridges
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Re: The #16 and #31 Discussion Thread 

Post#221 » by offset » Sat Jun 2, 2018 3:20 am

I really like 14 players in this draft (the consensus 13 plus Lonnie Walker). Assuming we taken Ayton then everyone else we would consider is pretty bunched together. If one of the 14 don’t fall to us (or if we don’t use 16 and 31 to trade up) then I am 100% in favor of trading 16 for a veteran. It seems like someone from the group of players that we would consider at 16 should also be there at 31 for us to take.
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Re: The #16 and #31 Discussion Thread 

Post#222 » by Jsbath » Sat Jun 2, 2018 6:51 am

what do you think of brian bowen?


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Re: The #16 and #31 Discussion Thread 

Post#223 » by WeekapaugGroove » Sat Jun 2, 2018 4:26 pm

If they can't find a vet trade or move up for one of young, sga, or sexton they could have an interesting decision at 16.

Do go bpa and grab someone like Knox, walker, or zaire smith. Smith is very intriguing to me with his lock down d potential and high upside.

Or do they draft for need and grab one of that next tier of pgs. Of that group Melton probably has the highest upside with his physical profile but also has the most qs on the offensive side of the ball.
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Re: The #16 and #31 Discussion Thread 

Post#224 » by bwgood77 » Sat Jun 2, 2018 8:05 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:If they can't find a vet trade or move up for one of young, sga, or sexton they could have an interesting decision at 16.

Do go bpa and grab someone like Knox, walker, or zaire smith. Smith is very intriguing to me with his lock down d potential and high upside.

Or do they draft for need and grab one of that next tier of pgs. Of that group Melton probably has the highest upside with his physical profile but also has the most qs on the offensive side of the ball.


It's hard to know without seeing workouts but I probably take best PG available but the player has to be able to shoot. We can't continue to draft players and hope they learn to shoot.

Unless there is a clear better player available overall. Definitely not a fan of Knox.
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Re: The #16 and #31 Discussion Thread 

Post#225 » by theSUNalsoRISES » Sat Jun 2, 2018 8:23 pm

JMac1 wrote:
thamadkant wrote:Nuggets shopping Pick 14 for who can take on 1 year of Faried's contract!!


McD jump on that!

then move Pick 14, 16 and 2019 Unprotected for Pick 4!!!



Not enough

I do think with most teams in cap hell and having multiple picks we could definitely leap frog picks and put together a decent package for Memphis- who are rumoured to wanna trade down. How I’d do it. 31st & Troy Daniels for Timberwolves 20th pick. Thibs doesn’t love rookies and the wolves get a replacement for Jamal Crawford.( i love the 31st pick due to the cash implications and the talent depth from 16th onwards til the second round, however, if we have to trade it with Daniels to move up so be it) I’d then offer the 16th & 20th pick for the hornets 11th pick. The two picks helps the potential rebuild they are facing or helps them get off a huge contract. Now armed with the 11th pick & 14th pick plus all the future picks we own I think we’d have enough to put a decent package together. The Ayton & Doncic dream lives on. We bank our whole future on Doncic. But if the front office think he is worth it, I’d be happy to go all in.
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Re: The #16 and #31 Discussion Thread 

Post#226 » by In2ition » Sat Jun 2, 2018 8:45 pm

theSUNalsoRISES wrote:
JMac1 wrote:
thamadkant wrote:Nuggets shopping Pick 14 for who can take on 1 year of Faried's contract!!


McD jump on that!

then move Pick 14, 16 and 2019 Unprotected for Pick 4!!!



Not enough

I do think with most teams in cap hell and having multiple picks we could definitely leap frog picks and put together a decent package for Memphis- who are rumoured to wanna trade down. How I’d do it. 31st & Troy Daniels for Timberwolves 20th pick. Thibs doesn’t love rookies and the wolves get a replacement for Jamal Crawford.( i love the 31st pick due to the cash implications and the talent depth from 16th onwards til the second round, however, if we have to trade it with Daniels to move up so be it) I’d then offer the 16th & 20th pick for the hornets 11th pick. The two picks helps the potential rebuild they are facing or helps them get off a huge contract. Now armed with the 11th pick & 14th pick plus all the future picks we own I think we’d have enough to put a decent package together. The Ayton & Doncic dream lives on. We bank our whole future on Doncic. But if the front office think he is worth it, I’d be happy to go all in.

I approve of the creativity and out of the box thinking on this. Bravo, interesting
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Re: The #16 and #31 Discussion Thread 

Post#227 » by bwgood77 » Sat Jun 2, 2018 9:19 pm

If we still had that Lakers pick we'd be in a prime position to move up with 10 and 16. Especially if we had kept the 17 as well in the coin flip.
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Re: The #16 and #31 Discussion Thread 

Post#228 » by JMac1 » Sat Jun 2, 2018 10:32 pm

bwgood77 wrote:If we still had that Lakers pick we'd be in a prime position to move up with 10 and 16. Especially if we had kept the 17 as well in the coin flip.

But we might not have gotten number 1.
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Re: The #16 and #31 Discussion Thread 

Post#229 » by WeekapaugGroove » Sun Jun 3, 2018 5:27 am

bwgood77 wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:If they can't find a vet trade or move up for one of young, sga, or sexton they could have an interesting decision at 16.

Do go bpa and grab someone like Knox, walker, or zaire smith. Smith is very intriguing to me with his lock down d potential and high upside.

Or do they draft for need and grab one of that next tier of pgs. Of that group Melton probably has the highest upside with his physical profile but also has the most qs on the offensive side of the ball.


It's hard to know without seeing workouts but I probably take best PG available but the player has to be able to shoot. We can't continue to draft players and hope they learn to shoot.

Unless there is a clear better player available overall. Definitely not a fan of Knox.


Yeah they desperately need some shooting this summer.

If SGA is there at 11 and Charlotte decides not to blow it up I'd offer 16 and chandlers expiring for 11 and marvin Williams.

Charlotte gets off williams 15 mil a yr early for moving back 5 spots and can extend walker this summer without getting in deeper finacial trouble.

Suns get their guy at pg and while williams is overpaid he isn't useless and could be a bridge type vet 4 next to Ayton. Buys them time to see if any of the young guys can earn that 4 spot.
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Re: The #16 and #31 Discussion Thread 

Post#230 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Sun Jun 3, 2018 5:52 am

bwgood77 wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:If they can't find a vet trade or move up for one of young, sga, or sexton they could have an interesting decision at 16.

Do go bpa and grab someone like Knox, walker, or zaire smith. Smith is very intriguing to me with his lock down d potential and high upside.

Or do they draft for need and grab one of that next tier of pgs. Of that group Melton probably has the highest upside with his physical profile but also has the most qs on the offensive side of the ball.


It's hard to know without seeing workouts but I probably take best PG available but the player has to be able to shoot. We can't continue to draft players and hope they learn to shoot.

Unless there is a clear better player available overall. Definitely not a fan of Knox.


1.1 PSG + BPG combined. Don't think he'd be my pick at #31, TBH.
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Re: The #16 and #31 Discussion Thread 

Post#231 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Sun Jun 3, 2018 6:01 am

AtheJ415 wrote:
JMac1 wrote:16 and 31 will be used for a vet. Mark it down! Per Suns analytics guy Jake.


Well, I guess it depends on the vet if I like that or not. Just really like some of the guys who might be there at 16 and 31. Zhaire Smith, Robert Williams, Kevin Knox, SGA could all fall to 16. If not, there's still Milton and Musa and a few others. 31 might have Okobie but he may end up going earlier. Somebody always unexpectedly falls to round 2.


I think there's a near-zero percent chance that LAC passes on Zhaire Smith twice.
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Re: The #16 and #31 Discussion Thread 

Post#232 » by WeekapaugGroove » Sun Jun 3, 2018 6:19 am

ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
AtheJ415 wrote:
JMac1 wrote:16 and 31 will be used for a vet. Mark it down! Per Suns analytics guy Jake.


Well, I guess it depends on the vet if I like that or not. Just really like some of the guys who might be there at 16 and 31. Zhaire Smith, Robert Williams, Kevin Knox, SGA could all fall to 16. If not, there's still Milton and Musa and a few others. 31 might have Okobie but he may end up going earlier. Somebody always unexpectedly falls to round 2.


I think there's a near-zero percent chance that LAC passes on Zhaire Smith twice.


I would have agreed precombine but only measuring 6'4 in shoes hurt him a little. He's a wild card who could range like 10-20 draft night.

I mentioned knox but I don't like him, hope he goes before phx and pushes someone down.
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Re: The #16 and #31 Discussion Thread 

Post#233 » by septahex » Sun Jun 3, 2018 1:01 pm

Sixers fan here to propose a trade:

To suns: #10, Bayless

To sixers: #16, #31
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Re: The #16 and #31 Discussion Thread 

Post#234 » by Blonde » Sun Jun 3, 2018 1:21 pm

septahex wrote:Sixers fan here to propose a trade:

To suns: #10, Bayless

To sixers: #16, #31

It might depend on who is still on the board, but in a vacuum this is exactly the type of deal that the Suns should be looking at. I’d do it if any of Carter, Porter, Trae, Mikal, or Miles are there.
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Re: The #16 and #31 Discussion Thread 

Post#235 » by TheLogician » Sun Jun 3, 2018 2:11 pm

I'd take that deal in a heartbeat if any of Sexton, Young, Carter, or MPJ (pending physical) are available at #10.
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Re: The #16 and #31 Discussion Thread 

Post#236 » by JMac1 » Sun Jun 3, 2018 5:00 pm

I’d take it regardless. 10 is better than 16 and 31, plus the ten could net us a solid veteran in trade.
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Re: The #16 and #31 Discussion Thread 

Post#237 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Sun Jun 3, 2018 6:09 pm

Blonde wrote:
septahex wrote:Sixers fan here to propose a trade:

To suns: #10, Bayless

To sixers: #16, #31

It might depend on who is still on the board, but in a vacuum this is exactly the type of deal that the Suns should be looking at. I’d do it if any of Carter, Porter, Trae, Mikal, or Miles are there.


The difference between Bayless and Faried is like, $2 million. The difference between #14 and #10 is not equal to #16 + #31 - $2 million. So I'm a little shocked at the yes votes.
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Re: The #16 and #31 Discussion Thread 

Post#238 » by TeamTragic » Sun Jun 3, 2018 7:23 pm

ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
Blonde wrote:
septahex wrote:Sixers fan here to propose a trade:

To suns: #10, Bayless

To sixers: #16, #31

It might depend on who is still on the board, but in a vacuum this is exactly the type of deal that the Suns should be looking at. I’d do it if any of Carter, Porter, Trae, Mikal, or Miles are there.


The difference between Bayless and Faried is like, $2 million. The difference between #14 and #10 is not equal to #16 + #31 - $2 million. So I'm a little shocked at the yes votes.


We definitely have multiple options. It really depends upon who is on the board.
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Re: The #16 and #31 Discussion Thread 

Post#239 » by Blonde » Sun Jun 3, 2018 7:41 pm

ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
Blonde wrote:
septahex wrote:Sixers fan here to propose a trade:

To suns: #10, Bayless

To sixers: #16, #31

It might depend on who is still on the board, but in a vacuum this is exactly the type of deal that the Suns should be looking at. I’d do it if any of Carter, Porter, Trae, Mikal, or Miles are there.


The difference between Bayless and Faried is like, $2 million. The difference between #14 and #10 is not equal to #16 + #31 - $2 million. So I'm a little shocked at the yes votes.

Faried + 14 for cap space is a no brainer. You’re right that it’s a better deal, but this is a good deal too. Btw, Faried makes 13.7m next year Bayless only 8.5m so it’s actually about 5m difference between the two.

I’d prefer to do something around Dario Saric+Bayless for 16.
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Re: The #16 and #31 Discussion Thread 

Post#240 » by Kerrsed » Sun Jun 3, 2018 8:12 pm

I'd totally do #16/#31 for #10/Bayless. We move up 6 spots for taking on former Wildcat Bayless, who could teach a thing or two to these young PG's.

Looking at the list of players, i have to agree with Tankathon that these will be the top 10 players drafted (But disagree on order).

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I honestly wouldnt mind getting Ayton along with anyone of those names.

I also believe that out of those names, one of Carter/Young/Bridges will slide and be the name available at #10.

Hell, would even make it easier to trade up higher in the draft (Packaging #10 with Warren and Chriss or Bender). Could possibly net us that #4 or #5 pick if we throw in a future 1st as well. This trade would be perfect! I mean i was previously looking at stuff like that for #9 and Noah to move up.
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