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Re: Woj: "Bulls to be a factor in July" 

Post#81 » by boozapalooza » Wed Jun 6, 2018 3:35 am

Betta Bulleavit wrote:I was listening to ESPN earlier on the ride home. Some guy on the Will Cain show was talking about rumblings that Durant’s people might encourage him to move on from GSW. His reasoning is that the chemistry between he and Curry has been a bit wonkier than what most people believe. Also said that Durant still really hasn’t accomplished what he truly set out to accomplish, which was to shake the bridesmaid stigma. Said that after a couple of rings, he might decide that he wants to improve his legacy by going to a large market and building a legacy as the undisputed alpha for a storied franchise. Mentioned LAL specifically but my thought is that Chicago could just as easily fit the bill and is in a much more generous East.


This angle makes sense. It seems clear KD is having some chemistry issues in GS. Not to mention the well known belief amongst GS fans that its still Steph’s team. I dont think this can be ruled out on a 2 year deal. If he gets his second ring he very well may look around. LA is a possibility but we should be as well.
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Re: Woj: "Bulls to be a factor in July" 

Post#82 » by Jimako10 » Wed Jun 6, 2018 3:41 am

Only salary I'd wanna take are salary dumps that come with picks. That or low cost intriguing young players like Mario Hezonja or Dante Exum.

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Re: Woj: "Bulls to be a factor in July" 

Post#83 » by MrSparkle » Wed Jun 6, 2018 3:51 am

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Betta Bulleavit wrote:I was listening to ESPN earlier on the ride home. Some guy on the Will Cain show was talking about rumblings that Durant’s people might encourage him to move on from GSW. His reasoning is that the chemistry between he and Curry has been a bit wonkier than what most people believe. Also said that Durant still really hasn’t accomplished what he truly set out to accomplish, which was to shake the bridesmaid stigma. Said that after a couple of rings, he might decide that he wants to improve his legacy by going to a large market and building a legacy as the undisputed alpha for a storied franchise. Mentioned LAL specifically but my thought is that Chicago could just as easily fit the bill and is in a much more generous East.


This angle makes sense. It seems clear KD is having some chemistry issues in GS. Not to mention the well known belief amongst GS fans that its still Steph’s team. I dont think this can be ruled out on a 2 year deal. If he gets his second ring he very well may look around. LA is a possibility but we should be as well.


For whatever it's worth, no one really seems to give a crap (besides Golden State) that they are perennially winning. I mean, the #2 player in the NBA went and joined a 73-9 team, which almost laughable. It'd be like Shaq joining the 97 Bulls. :lol: At a certain point, you just ask yourself "why?" Why does Durant deserve any props? I think you could've replaced Harrison Barnes with a whole slew of characters, and they'd win just as much: Jimmy, George, Oladipo, hell even DeRozan. OK fine - they wouldn't be as good as with KD, but right now, they literally need to play like complete ass (for their standards) to not close a series in 5 games. Which arguably happened against Houston. They really shot well below their standards.

Atleast if KD joins a fresh team (that fits for contending), he can make a legit claim to being #1 if he beats Lebron and Curry fair and square. Besides present-state GSW, I do feel the league is wide open... unless Lebron caves in and decides to assemble some other super team.
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Re: Woj: "Bulls to be a factor in July" 

Post#84 » by DuckIII » Wed Jun 6, 2018 4:26 am

TheSuzerain wrote:Yeah this is doubly bad news.

Bulls overestimating the talent they currently have and think the rebuild should be sped up. That's not good.

Plus, even if we were a desirable locale, I see basically no exciting free agent options. Even the RFA field is kind of crummy.


I agree. If they do it. But I do not believe they will.
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Re: Woj: "Bulls to be a factor in July" 

Post#85 » by tunit213 » Wed Jun 6, 2018 4:44 am

Woj is clearly talking out of his ass.
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Re: Woj: "Bulls to be a factor in July" 

Post#86 » by terry » Wed Jun 6, 2018 4:46 am

Red Larrivee wrote:
GrowingHorns wrote:
dougthonus wrote:Not sure why/how the Bulls would be a factor. They won't have enough room to offer a full max for a 7+ year guy (LeBron, George, Durant), and there's no one at the lower level that's an RFA which is exciting nor is there anyone that's a UFA that is sub max that will be appealing.

The Bulls don't need decent to good players at high prices. They have enough young talent already and don't need to glut things up for non stars.

If an amazing deal appears, then sure, maybe.


Can someone explain this to me like "The contracts for Dummies" -style?

We haven't signed LaVine yet, and there's no big deals on our roster so how we wouldn't have room for max deals?


Currently:

10 players signed to guaranteed deals: $57,934,536
2 cap holds for RFA's (LaVine and Nwaba): $11,351,604
2 trade exceptions: $13,929,818 (12.5M + 1.429)
2 cap holds for draft picks (7, 22): $5,314,800

=$88,530,758

+

2 unguaranteed deals (Zipser, Kilpatrick) - Both probably get waived.

So, if the cap stays at $101M, Chicago really doesn't have that much money. That's mostly because of the trade exceptions and taking on Asik's contract ($25M combined between those).


The two trade exceptions you mention. Those wouldn’t count towards the cap.

Depending on how much we sign Lavine for. We should have somewhere around 20-25 million to spend on free agents.
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Re: Woj: "Bulls to be a factor in July" 

Post#87 » by RedBulls23 » Wed Jun 6, 2018 5:18 am

Betta Bulleavit wrote:I was listening to ESPN earlier on the ride home. Some guy on the Will Cain show was talking about rumblings that Durant’s people might encourage him to move on from GSW. His reasoning is that the chemistry between he and Curry has been a bit wonkier than what most people believe. Also said that Durant still really hasn’t accomplished what he truly set out to accomplish, which was to shake the bridesmaid stigma. Said that after a couple of rings, he might decide that he wants to improve his legacy by going to a large market and building a legacy as the undisputed alpha for a storied franchise. Mentioned LAL specifically but my thought is that Chicago could just as easily fit the bill and is in a much more generous East.

So KD wanted to leave OKC to not be seen as a "bridesmaid" but decided to go to a team that has a reigning two time mvp? Makes sense....
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Re: Woj: "Bulls to be a factor in July" 

Post#88 » by The Force. » Wed Jun 6, 2018 5:36 am

lol
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Re: Woj: "Bulls to be a factor in July" 

Post#89 » by terry » Wed Jun 6, 2018 6:11 am

The Force. wrote:lol


This definitely is funny, but what else do we have to talk about in early June!!! :D
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Re: Woj: "Bulls to be a factor in July" 

Post#90 » by WindyCityBorn » Wed Jun 6, 2018 7:17 am

TheChad708 wrote:I'd gamble on Cousins with a 1 or 2 year deal.


I wouldn't. Even if he is returns healthy he is too old and he has a cancerous demeanor..
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Re: Woj: "Bulls to be a factor in July" 

Post#91 » by GimmeDat » Wed Jun 6, 2018 7:21 am

This should scare everyone. But I'm not putting much weight in it.
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Re: Woj: "Bulls to be a factor in July" 

Post#92 » by MrFortune3 » Wed Jun 6, 2018 7:41 am

Durant is building a tech empire while with GS, he's not leaving. He's winning on the court and winning even larger off of it.

As far as the Bulls in this upcoming FA...no one is worth truly splurging on and the ones that in theory would be, are not likely to be viable options for the Bulls.
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Re: Woj: "Bulls to be a factor in July" 

Post#93 » by step » Wed Jun 6, 2018 11:10 am

terry wrote:The two trade exceptions you mention. Those wouldn’t count towards the cap.

They do until they're used, renounced or expire.
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Re: Woj: "Bulls to be a factor in July" 

Post#94 » by pipfan » Wed Jun 6, 2018 11:13 am

I say Cousins is a no go, even though we could get a meeting. No winning history, worst body language ever, coming off a terrible injury-I'd rather stay far away
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Re: Woj: "Bulls to be a factor in July" 

Post#95 » by Chi » Wed Jun 6, 2018 11:44 am

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Re: Woj: "Bulls to be a factor in July" 

Post#96 » by Tetlak » Wed Jun 6, 2018 11:51 am

We ain't doin **** except maybe signing one semiuseful/trade bait vet to a 2 year deal.
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Re: Woj: "Bulls to be a factor in July" 

Post#97 » by dougthonus » Wed Jun 6, 2018 11:57 am

keloms wrote:
Still possible to reach it with him

A) Deal Lopez

or

B) Stretch Omer & renounce Nwaba / use #22 as a stash away pick


Doubt you can deal Lopez into cap space. Stretching Omer is an interesting idea though, I hadn't considered that one.
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Re: Woj: "Bulls to be a factor in July" 

Post#98 » by CubbyBear2290 » Wed Jun 6, 2018 12:08 pm

Sounds like a load of crap to me. If they sign anyone (which they'll have to sign 1-2 guys I'd think). It's going to be someone like Exum, Jerami Grant and/or Mario Hezonja. Someone who fits the new style of play and it young and cheap with some potential left unfulfilled.
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Re: Woj: "Bulls to be a factor in July" 

Post#99 » by logical_art » Wed Jun 6, 2018 12:08 pm

Reinsdorf doesn't seem like the type to tolerate a full rebuild, especially not after the miserable post MJ years.
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Re: Woj: "Bulls to be a factor in July" 

Post#100 » by Betta Bulleavit » Wed Jun 6, 2018 12:18 pm

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Betta Bulleavit wrote:I was listening to ESPN earlier on the ride home. Some guy on the Will Cain show was talking about rumblings that Durant’s people might encourage him to move on from GSW. His reasoning is that the chemistry between he and Curry has been a bit wonkier than what most people believe. Also said that Durant still really hasn’t accomplished what he truly set out to accomplish, which was to shake the bridesmaid stigma. Said that after a couple of rings, he might decide that he wants to improve his legacy by going to a large market and building a legacy as the undisputed alpha for a storied franchise. Mentioned LAL specifically but my thought is that Chicago could just as easily fit the bill and is in a much more generous East.

So KD wanted to leave OKC to not be seen as a "bridesmaid" but decided to go to a team that has a reigning two time mvp? Makes sense....

I see what you’re saying. However, the only reason it did make sense to me is because KD hadn’t an mvp award on his resume as well. SO it’s quite conceivable that he may have been going there with the impression that he’d Ben the top dog on a title team and that just hasn’t been the case.

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