CP3/Rockets Negotiations

[Vae Victus]

I'm like 95% sure HOU will give CP3 his deal.

It reminds me of when HOU didnt activate Chandler Parson's team option after failing to get Chris Bosh.

It made no sense, why decline the cheap ass 1 mil option. They ended up having a "breaking point" in whatever contract Parson's got on the open market, so why bother letting him go seek a FA deal.

Then apparently it seems like Parson's camp was instrumental for DHo to choosing HOU. I'm guess despite HOU unable to seal the deal in getting Bosh (in retrospect they're lucky they didnt lure Bosh), they likely had a under the table deal where if HOU gets DHo then Parsons gets his freedom to get a big deal. Naturally this is a HUGE thing for Parsons and his agent, who then get paid early rather than waiting another year working for peanuts.

DHo and Parsons shared the same agent.... yea clearly HOU had to come through for Parsons despite their own failure in luring Bosh, thus the non-sensical non activation of the cheap team option.

Morey wont likely welch. If he promised CP3 he's gonna max him, for helping engineer the opt in and trade, then Morey is gonna max him.

Goddamn imagine if Bosh DID join HOU. Then Parsons gets his deal, which then gets matched, since that was the whole plan. Making a Big 4 (Harden, DHo, Bosh, Parsons) of the West. Eessh, HOU lucked out, cuz with all the injuries that happened woulda sank their title chances and unable to make moves until they somehow got rid of Bosh/Parsons.

[ISayshowmee]

Difference between a champion vs. pretenders....

Curry and Durant - Open to getting less than the max to sign others ---- titles Was the priority

CP3 - I want the max because owners are making lots of $$$ oblivious to signing others

Rockets will be stupid to give the max to an aging player who has a history of injuries, can not last the whole season.

[Pennebaker]

All I'm going to say is that LeBron can convince CP3 to take less.

[letsgorockets]

If Morey can land PG or Lebron, sure max CP3. If not maybe look to move CP3 in a S&T wherever LeBron goes. Morey has NEVER bid against himself. CP3 can hate it but the only teams who can give a max without a S&T are Phoenix, highly unlikely from both sides, Dallas, have DSJ already, Philly, who'll be big game hunting for LBJ/PG and I doubt see the fit in CP3, and maybe Indy, where he could make some sense if they ditch Collison but again unlikely. I'd say offer him 3 yrs at the max, front loaded, and dare him to go find better.

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[Guest202]

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On a 1 year deal - just to knock off GSW one time? No way LeBron spends 5 years in Houston, right?

Why not? 1 ring alone is probably worth it - but afterward, he is still playing with another superstar even if CP3 becomes washed up, The Rockets are among the best ran franchises in the league and Houston is a big market.

What's the real down side?

Oh, I agree. If I'm LeBron I do a 1 year pit-stop with Houston. Then finish my career in the Lakers. What'd be really beast is if he just became a mercenary for the next 4-5 years playing 1 year deals with great teams missing a piece. Imagine Houston in 18-19, Philly in 19-20...

As for why he wouldn't sign long-term in Houston: Because if it does NOT work out, he's disrupting his family and media empire being in Houston. If you're NOT going to win chips, might as well just play in biggest market LA, with your mansions, business partners, etc. all in proximity.

[quatin]

Hakeem requested the trade. He didn't want to be part of rebuilding.

That's not how I remember it at all. Rockets low balled Hakeem on his extension, which he turned down and then requested a trade. IE. Rockets cheaped out on Hakeem

Rockets offer D-Mo more money than Brooklyn offer. He wanted more. Rockets matched Brooklyn offer. Turn out Rockets don't have to pay the exact salary as Brooklyn offer (there is some bonus stuff going in there and Rockets don't have to pay). He refuse to show up in Houston to take his physical. He then play in New Orleans and suck.

With all the bonuses added in, the Brooklyn contract was worth more. To a guy who is 1 step out of the league, having a high "prove it" contract to a bottom team where he will get minutes is perfect. Morey played his "technically with the rules" and matched with a lower worth contract. DMO already was unhappy with his role in Houston. So Morey essentially undercut him to stick him on the bench. DMO eventually showed up to physicals, which Houston failed him on, despite Brooklyn giving him a pass. This voided his Brooklyn contract and he got bounced to New Orleans behind the brow on a minimum contract. Morey literally cost DMO $15million and didn't even get any assets in return.

Rockets would've match Parsons contract if Bosh actually sign with Houston. Beside that contract is hard for Rockets to trade him. Also, Rockets did him a favor by not picking up his 4th year so he get paid early.

Morey told Parsons he would get him paid early. Morey then told Parsons he would match any offer. Then he didn't. Houston has a history of negging on verbal deals. A lot of teams do. Which is why I said Dallas and SA are probably the only 2 teams where a player can work on those.

[RightToCensor]

That Parsons thing isn't negging on a deal. The deal was that Parsons would wait until Bosh committed to Houston and then Chandler could sign his offer sheet and would return to the Rockets. Parsons chose to do his own thing, Morey didn't cross him.

[RightToCensor]

I can't take you seriously of you're purposely leaving out information to prove a fake point.

[NBAFan93]

Or what? Lol. He retires?

When you think about it though, there probably are quite a few teams that would offer him a max...not for 5 years though, probably not even 4...

Only the Rockets can give him a max contract though. Only they can offer 5 years. Other teams can only max him out at 4 years, $157.

That’s not a good thing for Rockets.

[MaxRider]

Hakeem requested the trade. He didn't want to be part of rebuilding.

That's not how I remember it at all. Rockets low balled Hakeem on his extension, which he turned down and then requested a trade. IE. Rockets cheaped out on Hakeem

Rockets offer D-Mo more money than Brooklyn offer. He wanted more. Rockets matched Brooklyn offer. Turn out Rockets don't have to pay the exact salary as Brooklyn offer (there is some bonus stuff going in there and Rockets don't have to pay). He refuse to show up in Houston to take his physical. He then play in New Orleans and suck.

With all the bonuses added in, the Brooklyn contract was worth more. To a guy who is 1 step out of the league, having a high "prove it" contract to a bottom team where he will get minutes is perfect. Morey played his "technically with the rules" and matched with a lower worth contract. DMO already was unhappy with his role in Houston. So Morey essentially undercut him to stick him on the bench. DMO eventually showed up to physicals, which Houston failed him on, despite Brooklyn giving him a pass. This voided his Brooklyn contract and he got bounced to New Orleans behind the brow on a minimum contract. Morey literally cost DMO $15million and didn't even get any assets in return.

Rockets would've match Parsons contract if Bosh actually sign with Houston. Beside that contract is hard for Rockets to trade him. Also, Rockets did him a favor by not picking up his 4th year so he get paid early.

Morey told Parsons he would get him paid early. Morey then told Parsons he would match any offer. Then he didn't. Houston has a history of negging on verbal deals. A lot of teams do. Which is why I said Dallas and SA are probably the only 2 teams where a player can work on those.

I don't know where you get your Hakeem story. It was clearly Rockets is rebuilding with Steve Francis and Hakeem still want to compete.

Rumor is if Parsons agent (same as Dwight Howard at that time) can convince Howard to sign with Houston, he would get Parsons paid. I don't remember the part Rockets promise to match. He did get paid.

Report is Rockets offer for Motiejunas is 8 million per for 2 years, but only 1st year is guaranteed. The Nets offer was 4 years 35 million but only 5 million is fully guaranteed. You can decide which offer is more. I don't know where did you get the part that cost him 15 million. Rockets don't have to pay him the bonus in Nets offer (4 million less). How is this Rockets fault when he can't stay healthy?

[MaxRider]

I can't take you seriously of you're purposely leaving out information to prove a fake point.

I'm surprise he didn't bring up Barkley. That's the one Rockets promised to pay him more later if he take the paycut now which they didn't because he declined.

[Kordic27]

If you look at the yearly salary, it is what it is. If you look at the likely salary per game played, it's seriously harsh for the warriors.

[woosah]

All I'm going to say is that LeBron can convince CP3 to take less.

Didn't Lebron say he wouldn't do anymore discounts after he left Miami? I could have sworn he or his camp put that out there. If he isn't willing to take a cut, then I wouldn't think he would ask Chris to take less. It is not consistent with his past behavior of trying to get the most for "his people" (JR, TT, AV back in the day, etc..) and CP3 is definitely his people.

[quatin]

I don't know where you get your Hakeem story. It was clearly Rockets is rebuilding with Steve Francis and Hakeem still want to compete.

Rumor is if Parsons agent (same as Dwight Howard at that time) can convince Howard to sign with Houston, he would get Parsons paid. I don't remember the part Rockets promise to match. He did get paid.

Report is Rockets offer for Motiejunas is 8 million per for 2 years, but only 1st year is guaranteed. The Nets offer was 4 years 35 million but only 5 million is fully guaranteed. You can decide which offer is more. I don't know where did you get the part that cost him 15 million. Rockets don't have to pay him the bonus in Nets offer (4 million less). How is this Rockets fault when he can't stay healthy?

Hakeem didn't just request a trade from the start. He entered negotiations with Houston with the intention to stay. The Rockets gave a "final offer" of 3 years $13 million extension at which point resulted in a stalemate. That's when he requested a trade. He signed a 3 year $18 million contract with Toronto.

Morey publicly said he would match any contract Parsons gets. It's literally in every article you can find about Parsons FA at the time.

The Nets offer was more, that's why DMO refused to show up to the Rockets physical at first. Not only was it higher in actual contract value $37 million > $31 million. DMO would've gotten significant playing time on the Nets, allowing him a shot to earn those bonuses, which were mainly playing time related. DMO was also reportedly unhappy with his role in Houston. It was an ideal scenario for him to get that Nets offer. I made a mistake on the $15 million number, it was $36 million, because DMO signed for the vet minimum in NO. DMO was unhappy in Houston, Morey matched his RFA contract while counter offering a lower $ due to technicalities, then failed him in physical, despite DMO passing the Nets physical. To this day we don't know what DMO failed in his physical, other than it was not related to his back. Houston gained nothing out of this. The end result was DMO couldn't accept the Nets offer. Therefore he lost $36 million over 3 years, because Houston 1) decided to match the RFA on a clearly unhappy player and 2) failed his physical for shady reasons.

[quatin]

That Parsons thing isn't negging on a deal. The deal was that Parsons would wait until Bosh committed to Houston and then Chandler could sign his offer sheet and would return to the Rockets. Parsons chose to do his own thing, Morey didn't cross him.

Right here from Parsons own mouth:

"Throughout the whole process they pretty much told me they were going to match everything. I understand it’s a business. I understand they had to do what they thought was best for their organization. It definitely caught me off-guard a little bit."

[MaxRider]

I don't know where you get your Hakeem story. It was clearly Rockets is rebuilding with Steve Francis and Hakeem still want to compete.

Rumor is if Parsons agent (same as Dwight Howard at that time) can convince Howard to sign with Houston, he would get Parsons paid. I don't remember the part Rockets promise to match. He did get paid.

Report is Rockets offer for Motiejunas is 8 million per for 2 years, but only 1st year is guaranteed. The Nets offer was 4 years 35 million but only 5 million is fully guaranteed. You can decide which offer is more. I don't know where did you get the part that cost him 15 million. Rockets don't have to pay him the bonus in Nets offer (4 million less). How is this Rockets fault when he can't stay healthy?

Hakeem didn't just request a trade from the start. He entered negotiations with Houston with the intention to stay. The Rockets gave a "final offer" of 3 years $13 million extension at which point resulted in a stalemate. That's when he requested a trade. He signed a 3 year $18 million contract with Toronto.

Morey publicly said he would match any contract Parsons gets. It's literally in every article you can find about Parsons FA at the time.

The Nets offer was more, that's why DMO refused to show up to the Rockets physical at first. Not only was it higher in actual contract value $37 million > $31 million. DMO would've gotten significant playing time on the Nets, allowing him a shot to earn those bonuses, which were mainly playing time related. DMO was also reportedly unhappy with his role in Houston. It was an ideal scenario for him to get that Nets offer. I made a mistake on the $15 million number, it was $36 million, because DMO signed for the vet minimum in NO. DMO was unhappy in Houston, Morey matched his RFA contract while counter offering a lower $ due to technicalities, then failed him in physical, despite DMO passing the Nets physical. To this day we don't know what DMO failed in his physical, other than it was not related to his back. Houston gained nothing out of this. The end result was DMO couldn't accept the Nets offer. Therefore he lost $36 million over 3 years, because Houston 1) decided to match the RFA on a clearly unhappy player and 2) failed his physical for shady reasons.

Hakeem was 38. Do you expect Rockets to offer him 10 million per?

Motiejunas thing is all his agent fault for not knowing better. Judging how bad he played in NO, Nets would've waive him before his 2nd year become guaranteed. BTW Motiejunas also failed Pistons physical. Don't make it sound like it's all Rockets.

[inquisitive]

All I'm going to say is that LeBron can convince CP3 to take less.

Didn't Lebron say he wouldn't do anymore discounts after he left Miami? I could have sworn he or his camp put that out there. If he isn't willing to take a cut, then I wouldn't think he would ask Chris to take less. It is not consistent with his past behavior of trying to get the most for "his people" (JR, TT, AV back in the day, etc..) and CP3 is definitely his people.

He also said he would only take discounts to play with his banana boat buds.

[MaxRider]

That Parsons thing isn't negging on a deal. The deal was that Parsons would wait until Bosh committed to Houston and then Chandler could sign his offer sheet and would return to the Rockets. Parsons chose to do his own thing, Morey didn't cross him.

Right here from Parsons own mouth:

"Throughout the whole process they pretty much told me they were going to match everything. I understand it’s a business. I understand they had to do what they thought was best for their organization. It definitely caught me off-guard a little bit."

Yeah and then he started bad-mouthing Houston.
If Morey matched then he has no cap space to sign Bosh.

[woosah]

All I'm going to say is that LeBron can convince CP3 to take less.

Didn't Lebron say he wouldn't do anymore discounts after he left Miami? I could have sworn he or his camp put that out there. If he isn't willing to take a cut, then I wouldn't think he would ask Chris to take less. It is not consistent with his past behavior of trying to get the most for "his people" (JR, TT, AV back in the day, etc..) and CP3 is definitely his people.

He also said he would only take discounts to play with his banana boat buds.

Ok i found the quote because i honestly did not know he said that.

“I really hope that, before our career is over, we can all play together,” James said. “At least one, maybe one or two seasons—me, Melo, D-Wade, CP–we can get a year in. I would actually take a pay cut to do that.”

This, to me anyway, seems to be more about doing it for fun at the end of his career and about all of them not just one or two. It sounds like fantasy that he imagined would be great if they could make it work. If you think he would entertain this fantasy now while he still believes he can win it all then that's cool but i don't. I think as long as he thinks he will be the main reason for a team to win the chip, he will be demanding max dollars, and he signs short contracts repeatedly to do make sure he gets the most. Nothing about his behavior up to this point supports him doing this, so until he does something outside of this i am going to believe he will take the most. Actions speak louder than words.

[HeartBreakKid]

On a 1 year deal - just to knock off GSW one time? No way LeBron spends 5 years in Houston, right?

Why not? 1 ring alone is probably worth it - but afterward, he is still playing with another superstar even if CP3 becomes washed up, The Rockets are among the best ran franchises in the league and Houston is a big market.

What's the real down side?

Oh, I agree. If I'm LeBron I do a 1 year pit-stop with Houston. Then finish my career in the Lakers. What'd be really beast is if he just became a mercenary for the next 4-5 years playing 1 year deals with great teams missing a piece. Imagine Houston in 18-19, Philly in 19-20...

As for why he wouldn't sign long-term in Houston: Because if it does NOT work out, he's disrupting his family and media empire being in Houston. If you're NOT going to win chips, might as well just play in biggest market LA, with your mansions, business partners, etc. all in proximity.

Huh? New York is a significantly more influential city than Los Angeles is - using your logic, he should be a Knick or a Net.