Around the NBA, 2017-18 Season thread

[steady]

You cannot make exceptions to the rule because its the championship series. Draymond Green is a habitual offender and verbally abuses the refs every game. Had Draymond had some self control, he wouldn't have been in that position to get suspended to begin with. He brought that on itself, the NBA was just enforcing the rules.

i know what you're saying , but I disagree. I do not want Championships decided based on officiating. If it had been a flagrant foul where someone was seriously injured or could have potentially been seriously injured, I would at least partially understand. But a suspension to teach Draymond Green a lesson .. during a Championship series (for a foul that wasn’t even called in real time because the contact was so negligible and was only categorized as flagrant days after the game was over). To me, that was the wrong call by the League.

teaching him a lesson? the dude was out there kicking dudes in their dicks FFS come on fam. **** a championship series. the rules are the rules.

so you're advocating that, because its the finals, it should be no holds barred?

so lets say if Draymond Green for some reason clotheslines Lebron James tomorrow night on a bang bang play. i mean straight up gives him a LARIAT-O!! like Kevin McHale did to Kurt Rambis in the 1984 finals, you would be perfectly fine with the league letting Green play the next game? to avoid teaching draymond "a lesson"????

i disagree with you 100%. the rules that are in place come first tip off in oct/nov should be the same rules in place come june. if you act like a **** boy, you need to take a seat. this isn't a case about officiating deciding finals. its a case of a habitual offender reaping what he has sowed.

It was a situation where a no call became a flagrant foul after the fact. And where the whistle should have first been blown when LeBron’s flailing caused Draymond to go down. The officials allowed the play to unfold for too long without intervening and then the League decided to make up for their inaction two days after the fact by calling a flagrant

It was an in hindsight call made to try to cover over the mess the officials caused

I’m not upset about it but Imo it was one of the most bizarre intrusions of bad officiating into an NBA championship series

Re clothesline fouls. I said “If it had been a flagrant foul where someone was seriously injured or could have potentially been seriously injured, I would at least partially understand.”

[MrDollarBills]

i know what you're saying , but I disagree. I do not want Championships decided based on officiating. If it had been a flagrant foul where someone was seriously injured or could have potentially been seriously injured, I would at least partially understand. But a suspension to teach Draymond Green a lesson .. during a Championship series (for a foul that wasn’t even called in real time because the contact was so negligible and was only categorized as flagrant days after the game was over). To me, that was the wrong call by the League.

teaching him a lesson? the dude was out there kicking dudes in their dicks FFS come on fam. **** a championship series. the rules are the rules.

so you're advocating that, because its the finals, it should be no holds barred?

so lets say if Draymond Green for some reason clotheslines Lebron James tomorrow night on a bang bang play. i mean straight up gives him a LARIAT-O!! like Kevin McHale did to Kurt Rambis in the 1984 finals, you would be perfectly fine with the league letting Green play the next game? to avoid teaching draymond "a lesson"????

i disagree with you 100%. the rules that are in place come first tip off in oct/nov should be the same rules in place come june. if you act like a **** boy, you need to take a seat. this isn't a case about officiating deciding finals. its a case of a habitual offender reaping what he has sowed.

It was a situation where a no call became a flagrant foul after the fact. And where the whistle should have first been blown when LeBron’s flailing caused Draymond to go down. The officials allowed the play to unfold for too long without intervening and then the League decided to make up for their inaction two days after the fact by calling a flagrant

It was an in hindsight call made to try to cover over the mess the officials caused

I’m not upset about it but Imo it was one of the most bizarre intrusions of bad officiating into an NBA championship series

Re clothesline fouls. I said “If it had been a flagrant foul where someone was seriously injured or could have potentially been seriously injured, I would at least partially understand.”

yes but why are you ignoring the build up that led to the suspension?

[vincecarter4pres]

I don't see how people stand up for Green? He's not even a tough guy, he's a dirty little punk with a motorbike mouth. He'd get his meat lumped by a dude like LeBron. A real tough guy like Kenyon Martin would have fixed his face back in the day.

[Prokorov]

is anyone watching the game tonight. i missed game two and looking at the box score after im glad i did. cant remember being this disinterested in the finals.

[AndySF]

is anyone watching the game tonight. i missed game two and looking at the box score after im glad i did. cant remember being this disinterested in the finals.

Well, if your comment of poetry in motion hold true, you missed a good one in game 2. That's the only warrior game that looks that way the last two series.

[shakendfries]

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Does KD retire a Warrior, and if not, what does Sean Marks need to do to put the Nets in the position to have a chance?

[MrDollarBills]

oh my god this finals boring ass ho ****

if i was an owner, i'd advocate locking the players out and installing a hard cap.

[Rich Rane]

Playoffs overall have been kinda boring. How many blowouts were there this time? Ratings are still high though.

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[FlipFlopShot]

oh my god this finals boring ass ho ****

if i was an owner, i'd advocate locking the players out and installing a hard cap.

Both teams are over the cap at $135 million.
Yes, I am bored of this game too. Only because Lebron is carrying again.

It's either we have a boring final of Lebron vs KD and Curry or a boring final of Lebron vs Curry.

[steady]

this year‘s playoffs was definitely a dud. It was a function of the weak field with the Raptors for example the 1st seed in the East and the Blazers the 3rd seed in the West.

I think it will get better though next year. The Celtics are clearly on the ascent, and with Irving and Hayward‘s return next year, they will be a force. I predict they are the team that will eventually dethrone the Warriors. Although it may take years.

The Sixers and the Pels also showed a lot of progress in this playoffs. Pacers and Jazz showed some potential. The rockets were outstanding, although I don’t see them ever beating the Warriors.

Then there were a lot of teams that seem ... still too young, on the decline or going through serious rebuilds
( or should think about going through serious rebuilds).
There are not many structurally sound teams in the league right now, with strong cohesive cores — like there were a few years ago when you had the spurs, thunder, rockets, clippers, Hawks , Cavs, even the Grizzlies. In addition to the up and coming Warriors.

But this year feels like it will be the low point.

[Claud]

It's always been a star driven league but I feel like we used to have a bit more parity during past years.

Now it's a guarantee you will see the same 2-3 teams fighting for the chip and the rest just whatever.

I don't feel bad for LBJ since he kinda started the super-team idea by going to MIA but maybe Boston did with Ray, PP and KG? Not sure.

There's no doubt in my mind LBJ is gone it's just a question of where. If he wants to compete vs Warriors he needs to join another super team, it's the only way. Makes me appreciate even more a legend like Dirk who kicked the big 3 in Miami's ass back in the day.

This is why I advocate a patient and smart rebuild for our Nets. There's zero chance we will be competing for anything relevant during LBJ/Warriors era. Take your time, do things the right way and hopefully with some luck we are in a position where we can be part of the conversation again.

[TheNetsFan]

It's always been a star driven league but I feel like we used to have a bit more parity during past years.

Now it's a guarantee you will see the same 2-3 teams fighting for the chip and the rest just whatever.

I don't feel bad for LBJ since he kinda started the super-team idea by going to MIA but maybe Boston did with Ray, PP and KG? Not sure.

There's no doubt in my mind LBJ is gone it's just a question of where. If he wants to compete vs Warriors he needs to join another super team, it's the only way. Makes me appreciate even more a legend like Dirk who kicked the big 3 in Miami's ass back in the day.

This is why I advocate a patient and smart rebuild for our Nets. There's zero chance we will be competing for anything relevant during LBJ/Warriors era. Take your time, do things the right way and hopefully with some luck we are in a position where we can be part of the conversation again.

I'm not sure he leaves or has to leave. The team I'd love to see him get to would be NOLA. A Davis-Lebron-Jrue core would be an amazing anti-thesis to the Warrior style of play. I'm not sure they'd beat the Warriors, but they can definitely beat up on them physically. I don't think a S&T Cousins & future 1sts would give the Cavs what they want. I also don't think Lebron goes west unless it's a sure thing.

Lebron on Philly is interesting, but flawed. He'd be great on Boston, but I'm not sure he, Kyrie, Ainge or Gilbert go there.

The Cavs can put together an interesting package around Hill's virtual expiring (only $1mil guaranteed in '19-'20) & the 8th pick. Throwing Nance in there could help as well.

If Charlotte wants to blow it up & rebuild, & Gilbert will pay anything in tax, they'd be perfect trade partners. Hill+Smith+Thompson+#8 for Kemba+Howard+Batum? Charlotte downgrades from Batum to Thompson, but sheds the final year of Batum's deal, they get the 8th pick for Kemba, swap Howard's expiring for Hill's expiring, have #8 & #11, and are in position to tank in 2019. I could see a smaller deal where Cleveland just trades for a bad contract of a guy that can play like Batum or Gallinari as well, but Kemba+Dwight+Batum is probably enough to make Lebron stay & have the Cavs as a big East favorite.

[shakendfries]

“Lebron started this whole super team thing and now it’s biting him in the ass”
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I wouldn't be too surprised if Lebron takes a year off and winds up in a Knick uniform

[Keith Van Horn]

I think Lebron would be best to somehow get on San Antonio. Team with pedigree, elite coaching staff, and history. Team up with Kawhi, Aldridge, and great system players. They'd have to find a way to move Gasol though, and maybe even a few more guys.

[TheNetsFan]

I think Lebron would be best to somehow get on San Antonio. Team with pedigree, elite coaching staff, and history. Team up with Kawhi, Aldridge, and great system players. They'd have to find a way to move Gasol though, and maybe even a few more guys.

As his athleticism wanes, he'll be better suited for a more athletic team. I would love to see him with Davis & Holiday in NOLA, but I don't think Charlotte can pull off a trade for James with Cousins (S&T) and future picks.

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[steady]

teaching him a lesson? the dude was out there kicking dudes in their dicks FFS come on fam. **** a championship series. the rules are the rules.

so you're advocating that, because its the finals, it should be no holds barred?

so lets say if Draymond Green for some reason clotheslines Lebron James tomorrow night on a bang bang play. i mean straight up gives him a LARIAT-O!! like Kevin McHale did to Kurt Rambis in the 1984 finals, you would be perfectly fine with the league letting Green play the next game? to avoid teaching draymond "a lesson"????

i disagree with you 100%. the rules that are in place come first tip off in oct/nov should be the same rules in place come june. if you act like a **** boy, you need to take a seat. this isn't a case about officiating deciding finals. its a case of a habitual offender reaping what he has sowed.

It was a situation where a no call became a flagrant foul after the fact. And where the whistle should have first been blown when LeBron’s flailing caused Draymond to go down. The officials allowed the play to unfold for too long without intervening and then the League decided to make up for their inaction two days after the fact by calling a flagrant

It was an in hindsight call made to try to cover over the mess the officials caused

I’m not upset about it but Imo it was one of the most bizarre intrusions of bad officiating into an NBA championship series

Re clothesline fouls. I said “If it had been a flagrant foul where someone was seriously injured or could have potentially been seriously injured, I would at least partially understand.”

yes but why are you ignoring the build up that led to the suspension?

I agree there were some missed calls re DGreen earlier in that playoffs; and that he had established a rep for bad behavior. That was on him. This was largely what was used to justify the decision, and to support the conclusion of "intentional" contact at the time, and I think the majority of people would agree with you that it was fair The karma came back to bite him.

I just hate whenever the 2016 Championship is discussed having an asterisk in my mind. Were the Cavs the real champions that year. Could they have really defeated the historically great Warriors that year, even with a hurt Curry, without the help of the League's intervention? Was that extreme action of benching the best player for one team for an entire game really justified by the incident that occurred?

To me whenever LeBron tries to say the Cavs could beat the Warriors except for Durant being there, I think, are we forgetting how good the Warriors were that year -- the historic regular season year. Without Durant. I think twenty years from now when people look back on this era of NBA, that call by League will be seen as a mistake. And one that ended up seriously hurting the League because it led to Durant going to Warriors

[NyCeEvO]

I think Lebron would be best to somehow get on San Antonio. Team with pedigree, elite coaching staff, and history. Team up with Kawhi, Aldridge, and great system players. They'd have to find a way to move Gasol though, and maybe even a few more guys.

LBJ has a PO, so like CP3 did with LAC, he could give CLE a list of destinations that he'd opt-in and accept a trade to like SAS.

LBJ and Kawhi on the same team? That'd be crazy...

[MrDollarBills]

It was a situation where a no call became a flagrant foul after the fact. And where the whistle should have first been blown when LeBron’s flailing caused Draymond to go down. The officials allowed the play to unfold for too long without intervening and then the League decided to make up for their inaction two days after the fact by calling a flagrant

It was an in hindsight call made to try to cover over the mess the officials caused

I’m not upset about it but Imo it was one of the most bizarre intrusions of bad officiating into an NBA championship series

Re clothesline fouls. I said “If it had been a flagrant foul where someone was seriously injured or could have potentially been seriously injured, I would at least partially understand.”

yes but why are you ignoring the build up that led to the suspension?

I agree there were some missed calls re DGreen earlier in that playoffs; and that he had established a rep for bad behavior. That was on him. This was largely what was used to justify the decision, and to support the conclusion of "intentional" contact at the time, and I think the majority of people would agree with you that it was fair The karma came back to bite him.

I just hate whenever the 2016 Championship is discussed having an asterisk in my mind. Were the Cavs the real champions that year. Could they have really defeated the historically great Warriors that year, even with a hurt Curry, without the help of the League's intervention? Was that extreme action of benching the best player for one team for an entire game really justified by the incident that occurred?

To me whenever LeBron tries to say the Cavs could beat the Warriors except for Durant being there, I think, are we forgetting how good the Warriors were that year -- the historic regular season year. Without Durant. I think twenty years from now when people look back on this era of NBA, that call by League will be seen as a mistake. And one that ended up seriously hurting the League because it led to Durant going to Warriors

The Cavs were the real champions. They were down 3-1 and won 3 straight games to win it out. The game Green was suspended for is irrelevant. He was back in the series for games 6 and 7. They got beat by double digits in game 6 and in Game 7 they lost at home.