Almost off-season discussion! Trades/Free Agency Ep. 9

[NTB]

So if we are going Ayton whats the plan at PG? We arent going anywhere next year with Knight/Payton/Ulis

Dragic for second round pick

[Puff]

So if we are going Ayton whats the plan at PG? We arent going anywhere next year with Knight/Payton/Ulis

Why not a trade for Dragic, if all Miami want is a 2nd rounder. He could run Igor's offense and make this potentially one of the best liked squad's in team history.

[starbosa10]

So if we are going Ayton whats the plan at PG? We arent going anywhere next year with Knight/Payton/Ulis

Why not a trade for Dragic, if all Miami want is a 2nd rounder. He could run Igor's offense and make this potentially one of the best liked squad's in team history.

So if we are going Ayton whats the plan at PG? We arent going anywhere next year with Knight/Payton/Ulis

Dragic for second round pick

If we can get him for just a 2nd I'd be on board with that

[BobbieL]

So if we are going Ayton whats the plan at PG? We arent going anywhere next year with Knight/Payton/Ulis

Why not a trade for Dragic, if all Miami want is a 2nd rounder. He could run Igor's offense and make this potentially one of the best liked squad's in team history.

The Dragic for a second rounder was a writer suggesting ideas. I don’t think it’s based in fact. For the suns to make that deal for the draft - I think it would have to be Dudley plus Williams/Ulis as those are not guaranteed. Miami would be on hook for Dudley’s 9.5m

Now post 7/1, you can renounce and/ or waive Payton Len Peters Williams and Ulis and take goran for nothing. But that’s your only move

I think I prefer Dudley Williams Ulis Bucks pick (or even the 16 this year ) for Dragic. That leaves some 10m in cap space if Payton Len and Peters are renounced

Technically 13m as the Suns will have traded 16.

That would be my plan.

If the Heat want to dump a contract for Tyson - hmm that’s tough

[lilfishi22]

TMac let it slip on The Jump today that Phoenix is going to max Capela. Judging from the reactions of Rachel Nichols and Ramona Shelbourne it was likely something they had told him in confidence. I doubt Houston brings him back in that scenario which would seem to make CP3's negotiating position a little stronger. I can't see him getting more than four years regardless.

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To me, that only makes sense if we're getting Doncic.

[bwgood77]

He literally said today in his interview that he plays whatever position the coach tells him to

Pretty sure every prospect in NBA history has said this. I bet he also said something like “I’m a player that will do whatever to win whether it’s defend, rebound or score or whatever the team needs. Etc”. See I can be an NBA player too

What's your point? He said he will play whatever position we put him at, McDonough has been clear about him being a center, he's going to play center. Who cares what he said in a year old interview.

Yeah, I was really happy with the way he answered that question today...."I'll do what the coach asks of me" or whatever he said.

[TeamTragic]

TMac let it slip on The Jump today that Phoenix is going to max Capela. Judging from the reactions of Rachel Nichols and Ramona Shelbourne it was likely something they had told him in confidence. I doubt Houston brings him back in that scenario which would seem to make CP3's negotiating position a little stronger. I can't see him getting more than four years regardless.

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We are maxing out Capela? Give me a break

[lilfishi22]

Except why draft Ayton and max Capella ... unless it's Doncic and Capella.

Ayton reportedly sees himself more as a 4 and prefers playing the 4 so could make sense from that aspect.

He can play whatever position he wants but I don't think there's enough spacing for the two of them in the front court. Ayton does his damage down low, which is where Capela gets his high % shots. There's no guarantee Ayton's 3PT shot would translate either right away.

[Kjdills13]

Soooo, what if this sounds do things different and instead of playing small ball like every team they go old school they draft ayton, then max out capela. And try to force teams to play big and not give in to small ball.

Pg- just need a guy who can play d
Sg- elite scorer -booker
Sf- defensive stud (Jackson)
Pf- rebounder guy who can take advantage of the current small pf's
C- defense , rebound,


I think that could be a formula to win

[bwgood77]

Soooo, what if this sounds do things different and instead of playing small ball like every team they go old school they draft ayton, then max out capela. And try to force teams to play big and not give in to small ball.

Pg- just need a guy who can play d
Sg- elite scorer -booker
Sf- defensive stud (Jackson)
Pf- rebounder guy who can take advantage of the current small pf's
C- defense , rebound,


I think that could be a formula to win

I think with Ayton we want a 4 who can shoot...we want as many floor spreaders as possible. Plus with Jackson being a poor FT shooter we shouldn't get a 4 who is bad at that. Ayton can handle the rebounds but you don't want the interior to be too crowded with defenders with another big who can't shoot from 3. I think Ayton will be able to shoot from 3 but he will do a lot of damage at the rim and will face enough double teams as it is without having an extra defender nearby when he operates inside.

[Puff]

Soooo, what if this sounds do things different and instead of playing small ball like every team they go old school they draft ayton, then max out capela. And try to force teams to play big and not give in to small ball.

Pg- just need a guy who can play d
Sg- elite scorer -booker
Sf- defensive stud (Jackson)
Pf- rebounder guy who can take advantage of the current small pf's
C- defense , rebound,


I think that could be a formula to win

I think with Ayton we want a 4 who can shoot...we want as many floor spreaders as possible. Plus with Jackson being a poor FT shooter we shouldn't get a 4 who is bad at that. Ayton can handle the rebounds but you don't want the interior to be too crowded with defenders with another big who can't shoot from 3. I think Ayton will be able to shoot from 3 but he will do a lot of damage at the rim and will face enough double teams as it is without having an extra defender nearby when he operates inside.

Quite frankly I would like to stick with Chriss and Bender at the 4 for next year. I think one or both of them is going to break out.

My only concern is a legit playmaker. That has been our biggest problem for a very long time.

[lilfishi22]

Soooo, what if this sounds do things different and instead of playing small ball like every team they go old school they draft ayton, then max out capela. And try to force teams to play big and not give in to small ball.

Pg- just need a guy who can play d
Sg- elite scorer -booker
Sf- defensive stud (Jackson)
Pf- rebounder guy who can take advantage of the current small pf's
C- defense , rebound,


I think that could be a formula to win

I think with Ayton we want a 4 who can shoot...we want as many floor spreaders as possible. Plus with Jackson being a poor FT shooter we shouldn't get a 4 who is bad at that. Ayton can handle the rebounds but you don't want the interior to be too crowded with defenders with another big who can't shoot from 3. I think Ayton will be able to shoot from 3 but he will do a lot of damage at the rim and will face enough double teams as it is without having an extra defender nearby when he operates inside.

Quite frankly I would like to stick with Chriss and Bender at the 4 for next year. I think one or both of them is going to break out.

My only concern is a legit playmaker. That has been our biggest problem for a very long time.

But I thought you could simply grab any of the numerous available PG's, slot them at the 1 and everything is A-OK

[starbosa10]

Soooo, what if this sounds do things different and instead of playing small ball like every team they go old school they draft ayton, then max out capela. And try to force teams to play big and not give in to small ball.

Pg- just need a guy who can play d
Sg- elite scorer -booker
Sf- defensive stud (Jackson)
Pf- rebounder guy who can take advantage of the current small pf's
C- defense , rebound,


I think that could be a formula to win

I think with Ayton we want a 4 who can shoot...we want as many floor spreaders as possible. Plus with Jackson being a poor FT shooter we shouldn't get a 4 who is bad at that. Ayton can handle the rebounds but you don't want the interior to be too crowded with defenders with another big who can't shoot from 3. I think Ayton will be able to shoot from 3 but he will do a lot of damage at the rim and will face enough double teams as it is without having an extra defender nearby when he operates inside.

Quite frankly I would like to stick with Chriss and Bender at the 4 for next year. I think one or both of them is going to break out.

My only concern is a legit playmaker. That has been our biggest problem for a very long time.

Thats my concern as well, we are crying out for a playmaker

[bigfoot]

I think with Ayton we want a 4 who can shoot...we want as many floor spreaders as possible. Plus with Jackson being a poor FT shooter we shouldn't get a 4 who is bad at that. Ayton can handle the rebounds but you don't want the interior to be too crowded with defenders with another big who can't shoot from 3. I think Ayton will be able to shoot from 3 but he will do a lot of damage at the rim and will face enough double teams as it is without having an extra defender nearby when he operates inside.

Quite frankly I would like to stick with Chriss and Bender at the 4 for next year. I think one or both of them is going to break out.

My only concern is a legit playmaker. That has been our biggest problem for a very long time.

Thats my concern as well, we are crying out for a playmaker

Come on now ... Ayton will be dishing 5-6 assists per game playing inside out. We don't need no stinking PG.

Edit: Did Hakeem or Robinson need an elite point guard ... hell no!! just give them the ball and magic happens.

[Revived]

So if we are going Ayton whats the plan at PG? We arent going anywhere next year with Knight/Payton/Ulis

Why not a trade for Dragic, if all Miami want is a 2nd rounder. He could run Igor's offense and make this potentially one of the best liked squad's in team history.

I'd only do it if Miami took back Knight as well. I would give them our 2nd then which is almost like a late 1st.

[AtheJ415]

So if we are going Ayton whats the plan at PG? We arent going anywhere next year with Knight/Payton/Ulis

Why is that exactly? Look, truthfully we don't quite know what we have with most the youngsters due to the lack of system/dev the past couple seasons. I know we will try to win more next season, but that should occur just with a better coach and our guys getting older. I think the ultimate upside move is to hope Knight stops sucking enough to become tradeable.

Truth is the only FA PG I have interest in is Exum, who Igor knows well. I can get behind that. The vet PGs are trade targets but they need to come super cheap to be worthwhile imo. Dragic and Kemba are the obvious 2, but I can't see Charlotte trading Kemba quite yet. Again, they need to come cheap. Dragic is a good fit but he needs to be okay being the 3rd wheel offensively and he needs to also come cheap. I have 0 interest whatsoever in trading 16, Bucks, or Miami's 2021 to get him back given his salary and age. I could also get behind a trade for one of Brooklyn's PGs if they would do it, but I imagine Russell in particular is going to cost a lot. Still, Russell would be a damn good fit for this team and I might be okay paying a lot for him.

Next offseason there are a ton of potential PGs and potential SGs (if we go point Booker), that are fits. We should remain patient.

[jcsunsfan]

So if we are going Ayton whats the plan at PG? We arent going anywhere next year with Knight/Payton/Ulis

Why not a trade for Dragic, if all Miami want is a 2nd rounder. He could run Igor's offense and make this potentially one of the best liked squad's in team history.

I'd only do it if Miami took back Knight as well. I would give them our 2nd then which is almost like a late 1st.

I don't think we should be so eager to dump Knight. He might have some value for us this year.

[bwgood77]

So if we are going Ayton whats the plan at PG? We arent going anywhere next year with Knight/Payton/Ulis

Why is that exactly? Look, truthfully we don't quite know what we have with most the youngsters due to the lack of system/dev the past couple seasons. I know we will try to win more next season, but that should occur just with a better coach and our guys getting older. I think the ultimate upside move is to hope Knight stops sucking enough to become tradeable.

Truth is the only FA PG I have interest in is Exum, who Igor knows well. I can get behind that. The vet PGs are trade targets but they need to come super cheap to be worthwhile imo. Dragic and Kemba are the obvious 2, but I can't see Charlotte trading Kemba quite yet. Again, they need to come cheap. Dragic is a good fit but he needs to be okay being the 3rd wheel offensively and he needs to also come cheap. I have 0 interest whatsoever in trading 16, Bucks, or Miami's 2021 to get him back given his salary and age. I could also get behind a trade for one of Brooklyn's PGs if they would do it, but I imagine Russell in particular is going to cost a lot. Still, Russell would be a damn good fit for this team and I might be okay paying a lot for him.

Next offseason there are a ton of potential PGs and potential SGs (if we go point Booker), that are fits. We should remain patient.

I don't think Dragic would care about being the third wheel (and I seriously doubt players think in such terms outside of maybe some the superstars) but he is such a pick n roll maestro and having worked under Igor could work out well. I don't know that Miami wants to trade him though and I don't know how much I'd give up for him.

Don't really understand those who hold his past with the Suns against him if he might improve the team.

[thamadkant]

Knight's contract is an anchor...

He has to play a lot of minutes to get back into his old self and up his value

[Hesh]

Knight is now woke and will unleash the potential we initially signed him for