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ATTL wrote:Ayton/Holiday at 1 and 16 looking like a real possibility.
Holiday is 6'1", right?
Kerrsed wrote:
The 6-foot-1, 187-pound Holiday is the only player who has worked out twice for the Suns and at least two mock drafts, including ours at azcentral.com, link him to Phoenix at No. 16.
“Whoever wants you to come in for a second workout, that just means they want you,” Holiday said.
Assistant General Manager Pat Connelly said the Suns didn’t have to ask Holiday twice.
“He’s really competitive,” Connelly said. “You watch UCLA and that competitiveness kind of stands out. … It wasn’t like we had to twist his arm to do it. It was, ‘No, you guys want me back, I’m back.’ That doesn’t always happen in this process.”
Holiday’s 3-point shooting – he shot 42.9 percent at UCLA last season – toughness and defensive mindset could make him an ideal backcourt partner for Devin Booker. But it was another aspect of Holiday’s game that impressed Oregon swingman Troy Brown Jr., who participated in Thursday’s workout.
“He’s somebody that comes out and plays hard every game,” Brown said. “You’re going to get his best every day. He reminds me a little bit of Russell Westbrook with that intensity and staying locked in.”
dantley4prez wrote:Kerrsed wrote:
I cannot tell how ecstatic I would be for Holiday and Ayton in the first round.
He can, will, and should start Game 1 of the regular season.
bwgood77 wrote:dantley4prez wrote:Kerrsed wrote:
I cannot tell how ecstatic I would be for Holiday and Ayton in the first round.
He can, will, and should start Game 1 of the regular season.
Holiday should?
dantley4prez wrote:bwgood77 wrote:dantley4prez wrote:
I cannot tell how ecstatic I would be for Holiday and Ayton in the first round.
He can, will, and should start Game 1 of the regular season.
Holiday should?
Yes. I don’t think there’s a better option out there.
bwgood77 wrote:ATTL wrote:Ayton/Holiday at 1 and 16 looking like a real possibility.
Holiday is 6'1", right?
Without shoes he's 5'11.75 With shoes 6 ft .75
Here is all the historical combine data..
https://public.tableau.com/profile/jared.dubin#!/vizhome/NBACombine/Sheet1
JMac1 wrote:bwgood77 wrote:ATTL wrote:Ayton/Holiday at 1 and 16 looking like a real possibility.
Holiday is 6'1", right?
Without shoes he's 5'11.75 With shoes 6 ft .75
Here is all the historical combine data..
https://public.tableau.com/profile/jared.dubin#!/vizhome/NBACombine/Sheet1
man...he can't jump. 25.5 standing vert, that's horrible!! 33 max, that's worse. So disappointed
Man a lot basketball players can't jump compared to football players. These guys need to do more plyos, dead lifts and squats.........horrible!
bwgood77 wrote:dantley4prez wrote:bwgood77 wrote:
Holiday should?
Yes. I don’t think there’s a better option out there.
You think he's the top PG in the draft?
dantley4prez wrote:bwgood77 wrote:dantley4prez wrote:
Yes. I don’t think there’s a better option out there.
You think he's the top PG in the draft?
If Trae were available at 10, the Sixers would make it fairly easy for us, and I would give up a reasonable amount to get him.
I don’t think any other point guards are better than Holiday, no. He has something I can’t quite describe. I know I’m watching a leader with impeccable court vision. He can shoot, he can defend, he can lead, he can score. He’s a steal outside of the top 10.
Turns the ball over far too often. Throws ball into traffic and randomly falls over. Doesn’t anticipate defenses very well. 4.0 TOV/40, 1.54:1 A:TO ratio.
Effort on defense is very inconsistent. Gets beat off the dribble far too easily at times. Content playing from behind rather than working to recover.
Loose handle in traffic. Struggles with ball pressure. Will need to add ball security if he wants to be a lead guard in the NBA. Can’t be an off-guard at 6-foot-1.
Plays with a one-track mind at times. Often looks off teammates in favor of tough looks. Has some bad moments where he forces the issue and kills the offense.
Can struggle with touch on shots around the rim. 49th percentile on shots around the basket. Explosive horizontally but rarely finishes above the rim in traffic.
Too jumpy on perimeter. Flies out on closeouts rather than staying under control. Doesn’t have much margin for error due to subpar size.
Feel for the game is lacking in most areas. Rarely makes advanced reads as a passer. Doesn’t have very good anticipation on either end.
Occasionally takes bad angles through screens. Defensive effort is a plus but his overall technique is mostly disappointing.
dantley4prez wrote:Kerrsed wrote:
I cannot tell how ecstatic I would be for Holiday and Ayton in the first round.
He can, will, and should start Game 1 of the regular season.
bwgood77 wrote:dantley4prez wrote:bwgood77 wrote:
You think he's the top PG in the draft?
If Trae were available at 10, the Sixers would make it fairly easy for us, and I would give up a reasonable amount to get him.
I don’t think any other point guards are better than Holiday, no. He has something I can’t quite describe. I know I’m watching a leader with impeccable court vision. He can shoot, he can defend, he can lead, he can score. He’s a steal outside of the top 10.
The weaknesses the Stepien lists concern me. I didn't see him a lot though..Turns the ball over far too often. Throws ball into traffic and randomly falls over. Doesn’t anticipate defenses very well. 4.0 TOV/40, 1.54:1 A:TO ratio.
Effort on defense is very inconsistent. Gets beat off the dribble far too easily at times. Content playing from behind rather than working to recover.
Loose handle in traffic. Struggles with ball pressure. Will need to add ball security if he wants to be a lead guard in the NBA. Can’t be an off-guard at 6-foot-1.
Plays with a one-track mind at times. Often looks off teammates in favor of tough looks. Has some bad moments where he forces the issue and kills the offense.
Can struggle with touch on shots around the rim. 49th percentile on shots around the basket. Explosive horizontally but rarely finishes above the rim in traffic.
Too jumpy on perimeter. Flies out on closeouts rather than staying under control. Doesn’t have much margin for error due to subpar size.
Feel for the game is lacking in most areas. Rarely makes advanced reads as a passer. Doesn’t have very good anticipation on either end.
Occasionally takes bad angles through screens. Defensive effort is a plus but his overall technique is mostly disappointing.
https://www.thestepien.com/aaron-holiday/
Kerrsed wrote:
JMac1 wrote:Kerrsed wrote:
I know I am rolling, Ayton, Holiday, and G Allen in this draft....come on man, don't mess with me
bwgood77 wrote:dantley4prez wrote:bwgood77 wrote:
You think he's the top PG in the draft?
If Trae were available at 10, the Sixers would make it fairly easy for us, and I would give up a reasonable amount to get him.
I don’t think any other point guards are better than Holiday, no. He has something I can’t quite describe. I know I’m watching a leader with impeccable court vision. He can shoot, he can defend, he can lead, he can score. He’s a steal outside of the top 10.
The weaknesses the Stepien lists concern me. I didn't see him a lot though..Turns the ball over far too often. Throws ball into traffic and randomly falls over. Doesn’t anticipate defenses very well. 4.0 TOV/40, 1.54:1 A:TO ratio.
Effort on defense is very inconsistent. Gets beat off the dribble far too easily at times. Content playing from behind rather than working to recover.
Loose handle in traffic. Struggles with ball pressure. Will need to add ball security if he wants to be a lead guard in the NBA. Can’t be an off-guard at 6-foot-1.
Plays with a one-track mind at times. Often looks off teammates in favor of tough looks. Has some bad moments where he forces the issue and kills the offense.
Can struggle with touch on shots around the rim. 49th percentile on shots around the basket. Explosive horizontally but rarely finishes above the rim in traffic.
Too jumpy on perimeter. Flies out on closeouts rather than staying under control. Doesn’t have much margin for error due to subpar size.
Feel for the game is lacking in most areas. Rarely makes advanced reads as a passer. Doesn’t have very good anticipation on either end.
Occasionally takes bad angles through screens. Defensive effort is a plus but his overall technique is mostly disappointing.
https://www.thestepien.com/aaron-holiday/