Mohamed Bamba

[JMac1]

Bagley and Ayton... scored mostly by being bigger and more athletic than their competition.

Wasn't that also true for Bamba? Actually even more?

Hello! Lol

[Alatan]

WTH? I usually don't use that emoji very often, it is insulting, not trying to be. But that is crazy. How can you say players who use their size and athleticism to dominate in college usually fail in the NBA and invoke Ayton? lol! Really?! So you saw skill from Bamba and not Ayton? So Bamba is being talked about because of his skill? Insane...

Some people.....

Bagley and Ayton are far from skilled offensive players. They scored mostly by being bigger and more athletic than their competition. Both of them have some touch on their jumpers but lets not go crazy and deem them shooters.

Ayton shot 34% and 73% on a low volume, with a quite flat jumper than without correction projects to be only a mid ranger in the nba.
Bagley shot 40% and 63% again on a low volume with a very mechanical shot. Since free throw percentage is a better indicator of NBA shooting than college 3 he is also far from a given as a shooter.
Bamba shot 27 and 68% and while he was the worst shooter statistically it was not by much yet he is deemed a non shooter while the previous two can develop a jumper...

Neither of them showed much advanced post moves, ballhandling skills or skill based shot creation. Bagley showed some flashes, same as Bamba but Ayton was really mechanical and mostly got away on size and strength.

If i had more time and will id make a compilation of Bambas ball handling abilities that ive seen from watching him but i dont really care so if you want to see Bambas potential id advise to search if for yourself.

Blah blah blah blah blah....this isn’t about them. It’s about Bamba. You said Ayton would fail because his size and athleticism was the factor in him being good, however you project Bamba to be great when that’s all he has.... stop it. And he isn’t a great athlete like Ayton nor does he have the skill....all size! Lol

Bagley and Ayton... scored mostly by being bigger and more athletic than their competition.

Wasn't that also true for Bamba? Actually even more?

Bamba is currently all length but he has shown flashes of handles and shooting. Ayton is all size and athleticism with a poor IQ and mechanical moves. Yet the former is called a defense only player and the later is proclaimed the new Shaq. Give me a break. In a few years i bet that Bamba will be a better offensive player than Ayton based on IQ alone.

[JMac1]

Bagley and Ayton are far from skilled offensive players. They scored mostly by being bigger and more athletic than their competition. Both of them have some touch on their jumpers but lets not go crazy and deem them shooters.

Ayton shot 34% and 73% on a low volume, with a quite flat jumper than without correction projects to be only a mid ranger in the nba.
Bagley shot 40% and 63% again on a low volume with a very mechanical shot. Since free throw percentage is a better indicator of NBA shooting than college 3 he is also far from a given as a shooter.
Bamba shot 27 and 68% and while he was the worst shooter statistically it was not by much yet he is deemed a non shooter while the previous two can develop a jumper...

Neither of them showed much advanced post moves, ballhandling skills or skill based shot creation. Bagley showed some flashes, same as Bamba but Ayton was really mechanical and mostly got away on size and strength.

If i had more time and will id make a compilation of Bambas ball handling abilities that ive seen from watching him but i dont really care so if you want to see Bambas potential id advise to search if for yourself.

Blah blah blah blah blah....this isn’t about them. It’s about Bamba. You said Ayton would fail because his size and athleticism was the factor in him being good, however you project Bamba to be great when that’s all he has.... stop it. And he isn’t a great athlete like Ayton nor does he have the skill....all size! Lol

Bagley and Ayton... scored mostly by being bigger and more athletic than their competition.

Wasn't that also true for Bamba? Actually even more?

Bamba is currently all length but he has shown flashes of handles and shooting. Ayton is all size and athleticism with a poor IQ and mechanical moves. Yet the former is called a defense only player and the later is proclaimed the new Shaq. Give me a break. In a few years i bet that Bamba will be a better offensive player than Ayton based on IQ alone.

I understand. Ayton is an uncoordinated Frankenstein and Bamba is Gene Kelly, however, no one knows it but you.

[Larry Legend 33]

Some really weird takes this last page.

He's Rudy Gobert with a jump shot. Don't overthink it.

That's being way too generous. That's his ceiling, not his floor.

He is AD 2.0. That is his ceiling. His floor is Gobert. Just because he dint put up 20 in college doesnt meant that he wont be a good offenisve player down the line. AD, Embiid, Cousins, KAT, neither of them put up 20 ppg in college but shown flashes of great play same as Bamba. Guys like Ayton that dominated moslty because of size and athleticism tend to fall off in the NBA.

No prospect's floor is 2nd team all NBA, DPOY candidate at 25.

[SeattleJazzFan]

That's being way too generous. That's his ceiling, not his floor.

He is AD 2.0. That is his ceiling. His floor is Gobert. Just because he dint put up 20 in college doesnt meant that he wont be a good offenisve player down the line. AD, Embiid, Cousins, KAT, neither of them put up 20 ppg in college but shown flashes of great play same as Bamba. Guys like Ayton that dominated moslty because of size and athleticism tend to fall off in the NBA.

No prospect's floor is 2nd team all NBA, DPOY candidate at 25.

Let's just call it now. he is DPOY in 2018

but yeah, if that's his floor, he's the best prospect since lebron and nobody in the world would be considering taking Doncic or Ayton above him.

[prime1time]

I initially liked Ayton, but I'm taking Bomba #1. He length, size and quickness will allow him to switch onto smaller guards. Look at how Mcgee guarded James in the finals on the switch. Bomba is more athletic than him. With the potential to be an adequate shooter from 3 along with some post moves to make teams pay on the switch I'm taking Bomba #1.

[SeattleJazzFan]

Bamba and JJJ are both better options, both in terms of upside and in terms of safe picks over Ayton and Bagley. they are huge upside guys, but because they are long and can protect the rim, they have a floor as pretty valuable pieces. if JJJ's shooting translates and Bamba can shoot like he's showing in these workouts, the sky is the limit for these two guys.

[King Ken]

Bamba and JJJ are both better options, both in terms of upside and in terms of safe picks over Ayton and Bagley. they are huge upside guys, but because they are long and can protect the rim, they have a floor as pretty valuable pieces. if JJJ's shooting translates and Bamba can shoot like he's showing in these workouts, the sky is the limit for these two guys.

Jaren Jackson Jr is Marvin Williams redux. Please don't list him in a topic with any of these bigs. Bagley is the best player in this draft. Bamba has insane potential. Ayton has the athletic feat and the body of a warrior. Next Shaq. JJJ is uncoordinated, weak core strength and has poor body control. I've seen this story before. Do Not Want.

[Pinkyring]

Bamba and JJJ are both better options, both in terms of upside and in terms of safe picks over Ayton and Bagley. they are huge upside guys, but because they are long and can protect the rim, they have a floor as pretty valuable pieces. if JJJ's shooting translates and Bamba can shoot like he's showing in these workouts, the sky is the limit for these two guys.

Jaren Jackson Jr is Marvin Williams redux. Please don't list him in a topic with any of these bigs. Bagley is the best player in this draft. Bamba has insane potential. Ayton has the athletic feat and the body of a warrior. Next Shaq. JJJ is uncoordinated, weak core strength and has poor body control. I've seen this story before. Do Not Want.

With the 3rd pick in the 2018 nba draft the Atlanta hawks select, jaren Jackson jr, forward, Michigan state university

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Man Ayton is becoming seriously underrated.

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[JMac1]

Man Ayton is becoming seriously underrated.

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Shhhh....

[doordoor123]

Man Ayton is becoming seriously underrated.

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Shhhh....

There are a lot of underrated players in this draft because thee are a lot of good ones

[SeattleJazzFan]

Bamba and JJJ are both better options, both in terms of upside and in terms of safe picks over Ayton and Bagley. they are huge upside guys, but because they are long and can protect the rim, they have a floor as pretty valuable pieces. if JJJ's shooting translates and Bamba can shoot like he's showing in these workouts, the sky is the limit for these two guys.

Jaren Jackson Jr is Marvin Williams redux. Please don't list him in a topic with any of these bigs. Bagley is the best player in this draft. Bamba has insane potential. Ayton has the athletic feat and the body of a warrior. Next Shaq. JJJ is uncoordinated, weak core strength and has poor body control. I've seen this story before. Do Not Want.

lol. jjj is nothing like marvin williams.

[King Ken]

Bamba and JJJ are both better options, both in terms of upside and in terms of safe picks over Ayton and Bagley. they are huge upside guys, but because they are long and can protect the rim, they have a floor as pretty valuable pieces. if JJJ's shooting translates and Bamba can shoot like he's showing in these workouts, the sky is the limit for these two guys.

Jaren Jackson Jr is Marvin Williams redux. Please don't list him in a topic with any of these bigs. Bagley is the best player in this draft. Bamba has insane potential. Ayton has the athletic feat and the body of a warrior. Next Shaq. JJJ is uncoordinated, weak core strength and has poor body control. I've seen this story before. Do Not Want.

With the 3rd pick in the 2018 nba draft the Atlanta hawks select, jaren Jackson jr, forward, Michigan state university

It's never beyond terrible franchises to repeat the same mistake, over and over again.

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[King Ken]

Bamba and JJJ are both better options, both in terms of upside and in terms of safe picks over Ayton and Bagley. they are huge upside guys, but because they are long and can protect the rim, they have a floor as pretty valuable pieces. if JJJ's shooting translates and Bamba can shoot like he's showing in these workouts, the sky is the limit for these two guys.

Jaren Jackson Jr is Marvin Williams redux. Please don't list him in a topic with any of these bigs. Bagley is the best player in this draft. Bamba has insane potential. Ayton has the athletic feat and the body of a warrior. Next Shaq. JJJ is uncoordinated, weak core strength and has poor body control. I've seen this story before. Do Not Want.

lol. jjj is nothing like marvin williams.

He is exactly like Marvin Williams. Especially in terms of run/jump, mindset, coordination, body control, feel for the game, weak core strength, MPG, similar weight, Marvin was more athletic and agile but Jaren is longer (1 inch longer, two inches longer standing reach) and taller (Marvin w/shoes 6'9 and Jaren is 6'11 w/shoes). I always watch the full games, not the highlights because you get to see how they really play instead of cut up clips.

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Marvin:

Strengths: Elite level athlete, very quick and agile for a player of his size... Can play any position on the floor effectively.. Never out-worked or out-hustled... Doesn’t take plays off... Gives you everything he has whether it’s a high school playoff game or an AAU event... Excellent form on jumper... NBA range... Very effective when facing the hoop as he has a quick first step and utilizes his jabs and fakes to perfection... Court awareness is that of a vet... Finds teammates from anywhere on the court...An excellent passer from any spot on the floor who possesses great knowledge of the game.... At 6-9 he handles like a guard and has excellent touch out to 17 feet.... Great rebounder because of his size and ability to get off the ground quickly... Big game player... Plays his best in the clutch... A quick leaper who plays well above the rim. Has tremendous potential.

Weaknesses: More of a wing/forward at this point... Doesn’t play well with his back to the basket as he hasn’t developed a go-to post move... Must improve strength as he won’t always be able to rely on his athletic ability at the next level... Is a shot blocker but has trouble defending smaller quicker players...As with all young guys not named LeBron or Carmelo, he struggles with consistency....

Notes: Would greatly benefit from a year or two in college. A relatively unknown on the hoop scene until the 2002 ABCD camp where he earned all-star honors. He followed that up with a terrific performance at the Adidas Big Time Tournament, being named to the all-tournament team. As a sophomore, averaged 18 points and 11 rebounds for Bremerton High School in Bremerton, Washington. Plays summer ball for Rotary Select, an Adidas sponsored AAU team. Having establishing himself as one of the elite players in the country. Had a huge 34 point performance against Josh Smith and the Champion Atlanta Celtics in the Big Time Tourney last Summer.

Jaren:
Strengths: 6’10 athletic big man with great length (7’4 wingspan and 9’1 standing reach) ... Good athleticism, energy, and activity ... Mobile, well-coordinated, and fluid ... Good hands and touch around the basket ... Can finish with either hand, doesn’t hesitate to shoot with his left hand ... Good rebounder on both ends ... Keeps the ball high after rebounds, not letting smaller defenders get a hand on it ... Great defensive potential ... Good timing as a shot blocker and gets off the ground quickly ... Rotates and moves his feet well ... Has ability to shoot from outside and has a quick release ... Shows potential as a stretch big man ... Can play the pick and pop ... Good free throw stroke ... Draws several fouls per game ... Solid court vision, passing ability, and understanding of the game ... Spaces the floor well offensively ... Shoots the quick three at times but knows his role as a big man ... Doesn’t try to do too much ... Can put the ball on the floor and get to the basket when given a straight-line attack opportunity from inside the arc ... Willing screener ... Fits the mold for ideal big man in today’s NBA ... Young for his class, won’t turn 18 until the middle of September of his freshman year ...

Weaknesses: Low release on his shot, could use more arc ... Sometimes rushes it and pushes it from his chest without getting it into the shooting pocket ... Shoots quick at times from three and looks off balanced ... Tends to lean forward on free throws ... Post game is raw. Lacks technique around the basket ... Doesn’t handle double teams well ... At time he tries to put the ball on the floor in traffic, resulting in turnovers ... Solid strength level and frame but will need to get stronger moving forward ... Can improve finishing in traffic and handling contact ... Would be more dominant if he were to develop more of a mean streak, and play with a little more emotion ... May struggle some for playing time as a frehman playing with Nick Ward and Miles Bridges ...

Outlook: Incoming Michigan State freshman ... Son of former NBA player, Jaren Jackson ... Played in the McDonald’s All American Game, Jordan Brand Classic, and Nike Hoop Summit (13 points and seven rebounds) ... Transferred to La Lumiere (29-1) for his senior year, leading them to win the Dick’s National Championship, averaging 15.7 points and eight rebounds in the tournament ... Averaged 15.7 points and seven rebounds over the Nike EYBL ... Won a gold medal with the 2016 USA Basketball Men’s U17 World Championship Team. Naismith High School All America honorable mention ...


I personally believe both players were 3/D prospects and Marvin was the first super prospect version of it. While he turned into a good 3/D professional, he never was good enough to justify being selected in the top 3. As weak as his class was, he could have been the #4 overall pick and his career would have been seen as an excellent one. This draft class and generation is far more talented than the one in 2005. Jaren for me isn't a top 10 prospect in this class. He's currently at 12 if I am not mistaken on my board.

[SeattleJazzFan]

Jaren Jackson Jr is Marvin Williams redux. Please don't list him in a topic with any of these bigs. Bagley is the best player in this draft. Bamba has insane potential. Ayton has the athletic feat and the body of a warrior. Next Shaq. JJJ is uncoordinated, weak core strength and has poor body control. I've seen this story before. Do Not Want.

lol. jjj is nothing like marvin williams.

He is exactly like Marvin Williams. Especially in terms of run/jump, mindset, coordination, body control, feel for the game, weak core strength, MPG, similar weight, Marvin was more athletic and agile but Jaren is longer (1 inch longer, two inches longer standing reach) and taller (Marvin w/shoes 6'9 and Jaren is 6'11 w/shoes). I always watch the full games, not the highlights because you get to see how they really play instead of cut up clips.

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Marvin:

Strengths: Elite level athlete, very quick and agile for a player of his size... Can play any position on the floor effectively.. Never out-worked or out-hustled... Doesn’t take plays off... Gives you everything he has whether it’s a high school playoff game or an AAU event... Excellent form on jumper... NBA range... Very effective when facing the hoop as he has a quick first step and utilizes his jabs and fakes to perfection... Court awareness is that of a vet... Finds teammates from anywhere on the court...An excellent passer from any spot on the floor who possesses great knowledge of the game.... At 6-9 he handles like a guard and has excellent touch out to 17 feet.... Great rebounder because of his size and ability to get off the ground quickly... Big game player... Plays his best in the clutch... A quick leaper who plays well above the rim. Has tremendous potential.

Weaknesses: More of a wing/forward at this point... Doesn’t play well with his back to the basket as he hasn’t developed a go-to post move... Must improve strength as he won’t always be able to rely on his athletic ability at the next level... Is a shot blocker but has trouble defending smaller quicker players...As with all young guys not named LeBron or Carmelo, he struggles with consistency....

Notes: Would greatly benefit from a year or two in college. A relatively unknown on the hoop scene until the 2002 ABCD camp where he earned all-star honors. He followed that up with a terrific performance at the Adidas Big Time Tournament, being named to the all-tournament team. As a sophomore, averaged 18 points and 11 rebounds for Bremerton High School in Bremerton, Washington. Plays summer ball for Rotary Select, an Adidas sponsored AAU team. Having establishing himself as one of the elite players in the country. Had a huge 34 point performance against Josh Smith and the Champion Atlanta Celtics in the Big Time Tourney last Summer.

Jaren:
Strengths: 6’10 athletic big man with great length (7’4 wingspan and 9’1 standing reach) ... Good athleticism, energy, and activity ... Mobile, well-coordinated, and fluid ... Good hands and touch around the basket ... Can finish with either hand, doesn’t hesitate to shoot with his left hand ... Good rebounder on both ends ... Keeps the ball high after rebounds, not letting smaller defenders get a hand on it ... Great defensive potential ... Good timing as a shot blocker and gets off the ground quickly ... Rotates and moves his feet well ... Has ability to shoot from outside and has a quick release ... Shows potential as a stretch big man ... Can play the pick and pop ... Good free throw stroke ... Draws several fouls per game ... Solid court vision, passing ability, and understanding of the game ... Spaces the floor well offensively ... Shoots the quick three at times but knows his role as a big man ... Doesn’t try to do too much ... Can put the ball on the floor and get to the basket when given a straight-line attack opportunity from inside the arc ... Willing screener ... Fits the mold for ideal big man in today’s NBA ... Young for his class, won’t turn 18 until the middle of September of his freshman year ...

Weaknesses: Low release on his shot, could use more arc ... Sometimes rushes it and pushes it from his chest without getting it into the shooting pocket ... Shoots quick at times from three and looks off balanced ... Tends to lean forward on free throws ... Post game is raw. Lacks technique around the basket ... Doesn’t handle double teams well ... At time he tries to put the ball on the floor in traffic, resulting in turnovers ... Solid strength level and frame but will need to get stronger moving forward ... Can improve finishing in traffic and handling contact ... Would be more dominant if he were to develop more of a mean streak, and play with a little more emotion ... May struggle some for playing time as a frehman playing with Nick Ward and Miles Bridges ...

Outlook: Incoming Michigan State freshman ... Son of former NBA player, Jaren Jackson ... Played in the McDonald’s All American Game, Jordan Brand Classic, and Nike Hoop Summit (13 points and seven rebounds) ... Transferred to La Lumiere (29-1) for his senior year, leading them to win the Dick’s National Championship, averaging 15.7 points and eight rebounds in the tournament ... Averaged 15.7 points and seven rebounds over the Nike EYBL ... Won a gold medal with the 2016 USA Basketball Men’s U17 World Championship Team. Naismith High School All America honorable mention ...


I personally believe both players were 3/D prospects and Marvin was the first super prospect version of it. While he turned into a good 3/D professional, he never was good enough to justify being selected in the top 3. As weak as his class was, he could have been the #4 overall pick and his career would have been seen as an excellent one. This draft class and generation is far more talented than the one in 2005. Jaren for me isn't a top 10 prospect in this class. He's currently at 12 if I am not mistaken on my board.

heh. Marvin Williams - 0.9 blocks per 40. JJJ- 5.5 blks per 40.

[King Ken]

lol. jjj is nothing like marvin williams.

He is exactly like Marvin Williams.

heh. Marvin Williams - 0.9 blocks per 40. JJJ- 5.5 blks per 40.

Marvin is a pretty good shot blocker for a SF and Marvin wasn't a risk based shot blocker. He mainly was a help side shot blocker and only when needed. That wasn't what he tried to do as a defender in college or the NBA.

JJJ EYBL stats show that these numbers maybe disingenuous and I believe it is. He got a lot of blocks the way I call Josh Smith/Theo Ratliff blocks when I watch the games. These are blocks where it's mostly weakside or contesting as much as possible due to a lack of strength which is shown in his Foul rate. These are harder in the NBA as offensive players are more adapt to avoid blocks while scoring and they are also more skilled and crafty and will go into your body to draw a foul. These types of shot blockers are dangerous for a personnel because you can't rely on their shot blocking skills. This is far from a Rudy Gobert or Bamba or Mutombo type of shot blocker. This is more of a Kenyon Martin type but worse as Martin was strong core wise and only went for weakside or helpside attempts. Martin was a sound post defender at PF and would bang and avoid risky shot block attempts which I've seen a lot of in JJJ's tape.

[Revived]

Blah blah blah blah blah....this isn’t about them. It’s about Bamba. You said Ayton would fail because his size and athleticism was the factor in him being good, however you project Bamba to be great when that’s all he has.... stop it. And he isn’t a great athlete like Ayton nor does he have the skill....all size! Lol

Wasn't that also true for Bamba? Actually even more?

Bamba is currently all length but he has shown flashes of handles and shooting. Ayton is all size and athleticism with a poor IQ and mechanical moves. Yet the former is called a defense only player and the later is proclaimed the new Shaq. Give me a break. In a few years i bet that Bamba will be a better offensive player than Ayton based on IQ alone.

I understand. Ayton is an uncoordinated Frankenstein and Bamba is Gene Kelly, however, no one knows it but you.

Nobody else shares this “Ayton is perfect in every way” mentality but you.

[JMac1]

Bamba is currently all length but he has shown flashes of handles and shooting. Ayton is all size and athleticism with a poor IQ and mechanical moves. Yet the former is called a defense only player and the later is proclaimed the new Shaq. Give me a break. In a few years i bet that Bamba will be a better offensive player than Ayton based on IQ alone.

I understand. Ayton is an uncoordinated Frankenstein and Bamba is Gene Kelly, however, no one knows it but you.

Nobody else shares this “Ayton is perfect in every way” mentality but you.

You love making up ****, because you hate the positive parts of his game that I recognize. You mr doom and gloom the world is falling and Ayton is horrible because I’m a Suns fan. No need for me to point out his flaws, you and his detractors point that out by the minute. I said he could bust; watch this AYTON COULD BUST AND MIGHT NOT BE THE BEST PLAYER IN THE DRAFT! There you go, take a picture trick! I never said Ayton was perfect, but I damn sure know he is good enough to be the first pick unlike you Mr. Wrong assessment. Let’s see who is correct come June 21. Me or you.

I choose to recognize his strengths and potential, you don’t, that’s on you Mr. Woe is me...pathetic ass fan.

[Revived]

I understand. Ayton is an uncoordinated Frankenstein and Bamba is Gene Kelly, however, no one knows it but you.

Nobody else shares this “Ayton is perfect in every way” mentality but you.

You love making up ****, because you hate the positive parts of his game that I recognize. You mr doom and gloom the world is falling and Ayton is horrible because I’m a Suns fan. No need for me to point out his flaws, you and his detractors point that out by the minute. I said he could bust; watch this AYTON COULD BUST AND MIGHT NOT BE THE BEST PLAYER IN THE DRAFT! There you go, take a picture trick! I never said Ayton was perfect, but I damn sure know he is good enough to be the first pick unlike you Mr. Wrong assessment. Let’s see who is correct come June 21. Me or you.

I choose to recognize his strengths and potential, you don’t, that’s on you Mr. Woe is me...pathetic ass fan.

Dude this is a Bamba thread. Stop making this about Ayton. There’s another Ayton thread for that.

And I said it on the day that the Suns won the lottery that I’m 100% sure that Ayton is the pick. Go check the lottery thread for those posts.

Nobody has hyped up Ayton more than you. Great. When he’s drafted by the Suns, I hope you’re right and he becomes great. Awesome. But again, stick all that to the Ayton thread right here:

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