NBA Draft 2018 5.0: Lucky #7 and 22.

[kulaz3000]

It's hard to gauge Bagley. He entered college as a Lamar Odom/less-skilled Ben Simmons type, and he left college as something totally different. He reminds me of a slightly smaller KAT. He has skills and motor, but he's not a high IQ player nor is he a freak athlete like Deandre Jordan or Clint Capella are. I think he'll produce gaudy numbers, but he's going to leave fans disappointed.

Not a freak athlete? I beg to differ.

He is roughly the same heights as those two player you mentioned, and though he may not jump as high as Jordan or have the same length, he is much faster, he is quicker, has a better second jump. He moves like a guard out there, which is why he had the comparisons to Ben Simmons - he doesn't move like a player who is 7 footer at all.

The guy is a specimen when you are talking about an athlete. The criticisms about his basketball IQ and horrid defense is definitely fair though, but you also need to factor that he is extremely young and even at his young age, he put up 20 and 10 easily.

[nomorezorro]

Marvin Bagley is going to be better than KAT

KAT is nothing but a taller, three point shooting Carlos Boozer.

marvin bagley, the man who forced duke to abandon man-to-man defense, will be...a same-sized, not three-point shooting carlos boozer?

[TheHrvReport]

If that Sacto/Dallas rumor is true, and there is any way to move up to get Doncic without trading Lauri, do it. Obviously I wouldn't go crazy with a bunch of unprotected future firsts or anything. But I'd offer #7, #22 any players on the roster and possibly a future first (with protections) to get him. Establish a core of Lauri and Doncic and build from there.

Not really a fan of Doncic. I think he might be 5th or 6th on my board. I think he has huge bust potential and really only place him that high due to how good others seem to think he is. There's a part of me that would still be wary of taking him at 10.

He's a wing player that lacks athleticism and shooting touch. It's really hard for me to see how that plays out positively in the NBA.

Is he any less athletic than someone like Gordon Hayward?

I know he's older and has experience with NBA training but Hayward has a LOT more strength and pop with his jumping than Doncic. He's built like a football player now compared to how he looked in college. If Doncic can get that strong in the league then he may do well but that's a big IF

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Sorry but it's not even comparable. Doncic is not doing this in the NBA

[gmoney2]

Divac has been ripped for making some seemingly bad decisions. https://deadspin.com/the-sacramento-kings-deserve-all-the-failures-to-come-1792556303 However, the boogie trade actually turned out to be pretty good given Boogie's injury. Furthermore, Buddy Hield, De'aaron Fox, Bogdan Bogdanovic and Cauley-Stein actually started gelling and putting up decent numbers in the 2nd half of the season. Nevertheless, perception is stronger than reality and if Divac doesn't come away from this draft with a real impact player, he may be out of job. That said, I can see how the rumblings of Doncic wanting to stay in Europe and Bagley, JJJ and Bamba all being a couple years away from being impact players could lead to Kings trading down. Frankly, the player that could make the most impact right away offensively would be Trae Young, but that's too much of a risk in picking him 2. If Trae is Divac's target, Chi's not in the mix unless Trae falls to us. But what if the Kings offered the number 2 for Lauri straight up? Fox, Hield, Bogdan, Lauri and Cauley-Stein make a nice young core and Divac gets a PF that will make an immediate impact. The Bulls could take either Doncic or Bagley at 2 and then go with Porter, Young, Carter or Mikal at 7.

[othawhitemeat]

If that Sacto/Dallas rumor is true, and there is any way to move up to get Doncic without trading Lauri, do it. Obviously I wouldn't go crazy with a bunch of unprotected future firsts or anything. But I'd offer #7, #22 any players on the roster and possibly a future first (with protections) to get him. Establish a core of Lauri and Doncic and build from there.

Not really a fan of Doncic. I think he might be 5th or 6th on my board. I think he has huge bust potential and really only place him that high due to how good others seem to think he is. There's a part of me that would still be wary of taking him at 10.

He's a wing player that lacks athleticism and shooting touch. It's really hard for me to see how that plays out positively in the NBA.

Is he any less athletic than someone like Gordon Hayward?

Yes, just because hayward is white does not mean he is an athlete. Doncic is slightly below athletically, but is one of the most skilled and smart players ive seen in a while.

[BullsFTW]

If we trade up to 2 and draft Porter, I’m going to lose my mind. At 7 he isn’t my choice, but I could get behind him. But if we fleece ourselves and trade up for him, I might not be able to handle it.

If the Bulls trade up to 2 my guess it’s for Bagley. If they trade up for Porter it would be because he wasn’t making it to 7, and trust me they’ll know if he’s making it to 7 or not.

How would the Bulls know if MPJ is making it to #7 or not? Just wondering.

[kulaz3000]

Not really a fan of Doncic. I think he might be 5th or 6th on my board. I think he has huge bust potential and really only place him that high due to how good others seem to think he is. There's a part of me that would still be wary of taking him at 10.

He's a wing player that lacks athleticism and shooting touch. It's really hard for me to see how that plays out positively in the NBA.

Is he any less athletic than someone like Gordon Hayward?

I know he's older and has experience with NBA training but Hayward has a LOT more strength and pop with his jumping than Doncic. He's built like a football player now compared to how he looked in college. If Doncic can get that strong in the league then he may do well but that's a big IF

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Sorry but it's not even comparable. Doncic is not doing this in the NBA

Gordon took a good 3-4 seasons to get his body to where it is. I'd like to see Doncic given equally the same amount of time to work on his body.

[dougthonus]

Is he any less athletic than someone like Gordon Hayward?

Maybe, maybe not. Of course, I think Hayward is massively overrated, but he's still a better shooter than Doncic which is partially why I fear Doncic. If we're saying his upside is Gordon Hayward if he learns to shoot, then I'm not excited about him as a prospect.

[kulaz3000]

Not really a fan of Doncic. I think he might be 5th or 6th on my board. I think he has huge bust potential and really only place him that high due to how good others seem to think he is. There's a part of me that would still be wary of taking him at 10.

He's a wing player that lacks athleticism and shooting touch. It's really hard for me to see how that plays out positively in the NBA.

Is he any less athletic than someone like Gordon Hayward?

Yes, just because hayward is white does not mean he is an athlete. Doncic is slightly below athletically, but is one of the most skilled and smart players ive seen in a while.

It has nothing to do with Gordon being white. Gordon just isn't a top level athlete, and at best he is a slightly above average athlete, but his skills make up for that which is my point.

Alright, if you're going to make the white argument then I'll compare him athletically to a players who did just fine as average athletes;

Danny Granger
Loul Deng
Kris Middleton
Otto Porter
Paul Pierce

I could go on. All those BLACK players whose games aren't/weren't predicated on their athletic ability.

[tunit213]

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Man what a stacked draft class

[kulaz3000]

Is he any less athletic than someone like Gordon Hayward?

Maybe, maybe not. Of course, I think Hayward is massively overrated, but he's still a better shooter than Doncic which is partially why I fear Doncic. If we're saying his upside is Gordon Hayward if he learns to shoot, then I'm not excited about him as a prospect.

Wait, a Gordon Hayward shooting ability, plus the passing and play-making ability of someone like Ginobili doesn't appeal to you?

Hell, I'm not even the biggest Doncic fan but his skill set is beyond any prospect at his age and it's not even close. The only glaring negatives is his lack of elite athletic ability and not supreme shooting. Put it this way, Ayton, and Bagley who are likely to get drafted in the top 3, are both HORRENDOUS defenders (right now). Their defense is much worse than Doncic weakest part of his game.

[VolumePoster]

This has to be the most interesting draft I can remember. I can't remember anything like it - numerous players that some taut as franchise players, others as busts. Usually there's 1 or 2 guys everybody raves about. Here it's at least six names.

[thewraith]

I'm still team Bridges, but would be ok with a healthy MPJ or Trae Young..just don't like how we have to alter our roster if we draft one of those two.

Also, this is unlikely but I really would like the Bulls to buy a 2nd rounder in this draft. There are some potentially good rotation players in the 31-45 range...guys like Brunson, Bonga, Wagner, Melton and Diallo available.

You worrying about the wrong thing. How good do you think this team can be? For me until we feel they have championship potential like the arose years keep tinkering away IMO. I think this current team is 1st rd playoff status unless something drastic happens. Whether its MPJ or Young or whoever else they will probably be with Lauri the two best players on the team eventually.

The problem is we don't really know what we have in Lavine and arguably Dunn. I'm not saying build the roster around them but at least see what you have in them without bringing up the small sample size they had with the Bulls.

I agree with this somewhat but on the other hand if we can find a player that is potentially better like my tired by now Steph and Monta example you have to do it. The only reason I say that is because at best these two are 1st rd exist even with the coming draft pick if they aren't a star IMO. That's why I'm like forget giving these guys time if we can find someone else at their positions.

We have apour quota on Nova pg lol. I wouldn't mind Wagner as Lauri light when Lauri is on the bench though.

[TheSuzerain]

Is he any less athletic than someone like Gordon Hayward?

Maybe, maybe not. Of course, I think Hayward is massively overrated, but he's still a better shooter than Doncic which is partially why I fear Doncic. If we're saying his upside is Gordon Hayward if he learns to shoot, then I'm not excited about him as a prospect.

He's really not a better shooter than Doncic.

Doncic being a poor shooter is one of the more bizarre draft perceptions I can recall.

[madvillian]

7, 22, Portis, and Dunn for Luka Doncic is such an easy yes.

To me it's insane. And I'm not a Luka hater. You want to talk about squandering assets, that would be a great way to squander assets.

[dougthonus]

Wait, a Gordon Hayward shooting ability, plus the passing and play-making ability of someone like Ginobili doesn't appeal to you?

Hell, I'm not even the biggest Doncic fan but his skill set is beyond any prospect at his age and it's not even close. The only glaring negatives is his lack of elite athletic ability and not supreme shooting. Put it this way, Ayton, and Bagley who are likely to get drafted in the top 3, are both HORRENDOUS defenders (right now). Their defense is much worse than Doncic weakest part of his game.

Sub-par athleticism + sub par shooting doesn't make for a good wing regardless of the rest of the skillset. You'd be taking a huge gamble that he eventually becomes a good 3 point shooter. That might be a fair bet of course, but if he doesn't, then who is he?

Also, I don't think his passing/play making is so amazing. As a comparison, Ricky Rubio struck me as a much better passer/play maker than Doncic (and that's not even close). That said, Rubio is also a great playmaker in the NBA.

[GimmeDat]

Think we're getting MPJ at 7, and given the reports about his workouts, I'm cool with that.

[TheSuzerain]

7, 22, Portis, and Dunn for Luka Doncic is such an easy yes.

To me it's insane. And I'm not a Luka hater. You want to talk about squandering assets, that would be a great way to squander assets.

Dunn isn't much of an asset. We just saw Mudiay and Elfrid Payton dealt for complete scraps.

Portis is an asset, but he's blocked. #22 is also an asset but whatever, it's pick #22.

Consolidation is desirable. Important to have a good churn and not be attached to marginal pieces like Dunn, Portis, #22, (and frankly everything except Lauri, #7, and our 2019 1st).

[Leslie Forman]

Sub-par athleticism + sub par shooting doesn't make for a good wing regardless of the rest of the skillset. You'd be taking a huge gamble that he eventually becomes a good 3 point shooter. That might be a fair bet of course, but if he doesn't, then who is he?

How is this any riskier than taking someone like an Andrew Wiggins or Michael Kidd-Gilchrist who you are basically just praying gains tons of skills they haven't even shown against college competition yet?

[madvillian]

7, 22, Portis, and Dunn for Luka Doncic is such an easy yes.

To me it's insane. And I'm not a Luka hater. You want to talk about squandering assets, that would be a great way to squander assets.

Dunn isn't much of an asset. We just saw Mudiay and Elfrid Payton dealt for complete scraps.

Portis is an asset, but he's blocked. #22 is also an asset but whatever, it's pick #22.

Consolidation is desirable. Important to have a good churn and not be attached to marginal pieces like Dunn, Portis, #22, (and frankly everything except Lauri, #7, and our 2019 1st).

Bad comparison with those two guards as the contracts limit their value and that's a pretty flippant way to describe "just the 22nd pick" as a Bulls fan given that GarPax have pulled a rabbit out of a hat more than once late in the 1st round.