Draft Thread 13 - The Field Thins

[DrCoach]

Philly having a 10th pick is soooooo unfair!!!

Because their FO doesn't suck like the Knicks?

the front office that just got fired? Or the front office before that got fired?

[nyJnyKnyY]

Don’t you think (salaries matching or taking some back) could help bring in late first rounders? Clee and hardaway in separate deals would be awesome. Portland has like 3 right? Trade them clee for two of theirs plus Leonard or a bad contract ... just a. Thought


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[GONYK]

Where is Gaines to save us? Just let him make the draft decisions

Fired

He's our VP of Player Personnel

[jvsimonetti0514]

what in the world ?

does that surprise you, teams trying to swindle the knicks.

They want our 2019 unprotected 1st.

With KP out for most of the year and MPjr injury history that woudl be a sure fire top pick with our luck.

There isn't a chance the 2019 pick (unprotected or not) would be on the table to move up a few slots. Hell Orlando moved up 2 spots from 12 to 10 and it only cost them a 2nd. I get the pessimism ha ha same old Knicks but there is no universe in which we have to give up the 2019 pick to move up to 6 or 5 from 9.

Moving up in the late lottery is going to be cheaper than from mid lottery to top 5. Boston got another 1st for moving back to 3 last year.

[shtolky]

does that surprise you, teams trying to swindle the knicks.

They want our 2019 unprotected 1st.

With KP out for most of the year and MPjr injury history that woudl be a sure fire top pick with our luck.

There isn't a chance the 2019 pick (unprotected or not) would be on the table to move up a few slots. Hell Orlando moved up 2 spots from 12 to 10 and it only cost them a 2nd. I get the pessimism ha ha same old Knicks but there is no universe in which we have to give up the 2019 pick to move up to 6 or 5 from 9.

Moving up in the late lottery is going to be cheaper than from mid lottery to top 5. Boston got another 1st for moving back to 3 last year.

That was also for the first overall pick.

[DOT]

Where is Gaines to save us? Just let him make the draft decisions

Fired

He's our VP of Player Personnel

People keep getting it confused

Corey Gaines got fired, Clarence is still here

Don't think he has the same clout he had under Phil, but Mills seems to hold his opinion in high regard (based off them sitting together for summer league last year, that's all I got), so he still has a voice in our decisions

[Polk377]

The Jazz weren't even supposed to make the playoffs. Who predicted they would? After they lost Hayward they were looked at as a lotto team. You seriously trying to brush off an accomplishment like that by a rookie in the Western Conference when we can't even sniff the playoffs in the pathetic Eastern Conference?

You're acting like the Jazz are a stacked team. They got Mitchell, Gobert who is not an offensive player, and a bunch of role players. They didn't just sneak into the playoffs either, they were the 5th overall seed. Let me guess, you had them as the 5th seed before the season started and you also saw them advancing to the 2nd round?

Who cares about a green light? Porzingis has a green light too, as evidenced by his 18 shots a game.

You are overhyping him man. You really think he would have accomplished the same thing with the Knicks, Bulls, Hornets?

Man that's a flawed argument. That's like saying you really think Steph Curry would win 2 MVPs and 3 Championships on the Knicks. Who cares? You wanted to talk volume scoring and efficiency, let's not play fantasy world right now. Deal with things as is right now.

You are the one living in the fantasy bubble. I'm done.

[fatalogic]

You mean being placed on a playoff team with a solid foundation and getting the green light to shoot when he wants? Comparing the Jazz this year to the last 3 years of the Knicks is just stupid.

The Jazz weren't even supposed to make the playoffs. Who predicted they would? After they lost Hayward they were looked at as a lotto team. You seriously trying to brush off an accomplishment like that by a rookie in the Western Conference when we can't even sniff the playoffs in the pathetic Eastern Conference?

You're acting like the Jazz are a stacked team. They got Mitchell, Gobert who is not an offensive player, and a bunch of role players. They didn't just sneak into the playoffs either, they were the 5th overall seed. Let me guess, you had them as the 5th seed before the season started and you also saw them advancing to the 2nd round?

Who cares about a green light? Porzingis has a green light too, as evidenced by his 18 shots a game.

You are overhyping him man. You really think he would have accomplished the same thing with the Knicks, Bulls, Hornets?

I don't think he is over hyping him but maybe undervaluing the development chops of the Jazz. Mitchell is probably better than Frank right now no matter where he went but I don't think he is a rookie of the year candidate if he was drafted by some of the dregs of the league.

[HarthorneWingo]

Where is Gaines to save us? Just let him make the draft decisions

Fired

He's our VP of Player Personnel

I thought I read something that he wasn't going to be retained. This is good news ... at least to me.

[HEZI]

You are overhyping him man. You really think he would have accomplished the same thing with the Knicks, Bulls, Hornets?

Man that's a flawed argument. That's like saying you really think Steph Curry would win 2 MVPs and 3 Championships on the Knicks. Who cares? You wanted to talk volume scoring and efficiency, let's not play fantasy world right now. Deal with things as is right now.

You are the one living in the fantasy bubble. I'm done.

Nah, I just gave you facts, like field goal attempts, points, playoff standings, etc. You're the one dreaming of scenarios to discredit what the kid has accomplished. It's all good though, according to you any average player can do what Mitchell has done, THJ could do it if he was given the green light, oh wait......

[HEZI]

The Jazz weren't even supposed to make the playoffs. Who predicted they would? After they lost Hayward they were looked at as a lotto team. You seriously trying to brush off an accomplishment like that by a rookie in the Western Conference when we can't even sniff the playoffs in the pathetic Eastern Conference?

You're acting like the Jazz are a stacked team. They got Mitchell, Gobert who is not an offensive player, and a bunch of role players. They didn't just sneak into the playoffs either, they were the 5th overall seed. Let me guess, you had them as the 5th seed before the season started and you also saw them advancing to the 2nd round?

Who cares about a green light? Porzingis has a green light too, as evidenced by his 18 shots a game.

You are overhyping him man. You really think he would have accomplished the same thing with the Knicks, Bulls, Hornets?

I don't think he is over hyping him but maybe undervaluing the development chops of the Jazz. Mitchell is probably better than Frank right now no matter where he went but I don't think he is a rookie of the year candidate if he was drafted by some of the dregs of the league.

Nope, I said on day 1 back in June last year that he went to a great situation. I got a lot of respect for what the Jazz have done and continue to do as an organization. That doesn't take credit away from Mitchell though in any way. There are things he does that simply don't have anything to do with coaching or team culture or anything like that. He's special in his own way because of who he was before ever landing in Utah. Not even talking about his pure talent and abilities on the court, but the IQ and the ability to learn so quick, the amount of time and preparation he dedicates to studying film and breaking down game footage, the humble nature of his character, etc. As much as the Jazz were a good fit for him, he was absolutely a GREAT fit for them and when he started to show that team who he was as a player and as a person that's when the Jazz really began to come together as a team. They knew this kid was for real and it affected everybody in that locker room and made them really push hard for the playoffs because they felt they had a chance. Even in that OKC series, they played with so much confidence because they could see what Mitchell was doing and it gave them confidence like yo we for real can beat this squad.

[2010]

Duke played zone its hard to gauge wendell on perimeter defense its very misleading because of the style of defense duke was in. Do i believe he can defend the perimeter? yes. it probably wont be amazing but i dont think he will be liability either dude is an intelligent player.

Watch on YouTube

that does not look bad at all to me and i know its a small clip but its a small clip doing what they claim he cant do. and if he's playing next to KP who is a legit rim protector and WC can focus more on his man than worry about the rim like he had to at duke who says he's not a better perimeter defender than given credit for? Kp is a engaged defender, Carter is a engaged defender, ntilkina is a engaged defender. you plug in the 2 and 3 spot with the same mentality why cant it work? defense is team oriented last i checked.

He had to guard in space against a small St. John's team and got repeatedly torched (as did Bagley). He cannot guard in space. Go back and watch some tape of that game. Trust me.

How many centers can really guard PGs/wings out past the 3 point line? It defies physics

That doesn't mean we should continue to stock up on those who can't.

[KnickLeDime]

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Nope not giving up frank.

Not even sure if they're asking about Frank tbh. He's so raw right now that I can't see other teams drooling over him. Most likely they're asking for another 1st, which in that case, they can walk themselves out.

[Infinitimind]

please stop including timmy in trades that have him as a positive

He average 18 points per game and is only 25. He is not as bad as everyone make him out. He's not Evan Turner or Allen Crabbe


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[DOT]

He had to guard in space against a small St. John's team and got repeatedly torched (as did Bagley). He cannot guard in space. Go back and watch some tape of that game. Trust me.

How many centers can really guard PGs/wings out past the 3 point line? It defies physics

That doesn't mean we should continue to stock up on those who can't.

1 guy who has trouble on the perimiter, you can work with, especially if he's an elite rim protector

2 guys at the same time? Hell nah

[dakomish23]

please stop including timmy in trades that have him as a positive

Folks confusing having more value than Noah with having positive value in the rest of the NBA landscape?

MSG must be rerunning that one TOR game from last season.

[camillepd]

Questionable back issue Porter is not the player to give up future picks to move up for. Doncic, yes. Otherwise, stay at 9 and draft BPA.

[spree8]

Trading up for Porter??? I can’t, I just can’t...

[mpharris36]

Questionable back issue Porter is not the player to give up future picks to move up for. Doncic, yes. Otherwise, stay at 9 and draft BPA.

Doncic/Bamba yes...everyone else. No

[Infinitimind]

Questionable back issue Porter is not the player to give up future picks to move up for. Doncic, yes. Otherwise, stay at 9 and draft BPA.

Agreed .I will only move up only Doncic.


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