Draft Thread 13 - The Field Thins

[Infinitimind]

Kristaps has no business chasing behind small forwards and power forwards on the perimeter.

What are you going to do when Kristaps has to play the center position full-time if you draft a center?

Instead of wasting the pick on a center, just sign one in free agency.

Stop it.

You're telling me if you had the chance to draft possibly a Rudy Gobert type C to play with KP you would pass on that because of "fit" on a team that needs pretty much any help it can get anywhere? Thats negligible

What i'm saying is i would rather prefer Kristaps play the role on Rudy Gobert on the defensive end, and have the energy to be efficient on the offensive end, instead of chasing behind quicker players on the perimeter.

Kristaps looks like he walking on black ice when he's defending above the free throw line.

Agreed to much small ball going around to build around two big. We need more wings that handle the ball, can make plays and defend


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[Jay10]

Stop it.

You're telling me if you had the chance to draft possibly a Rudy Gobert type C to play with KP you would pass on that because of "fit" on a team that needs pretty much any help it can get anywhere? Thats negligible

What i'm saying is i would rather prefer Kristaps play the role on Rudy Gobert on the defensive end, and have the energy to be efficient on the offensive end, instead of chasing behind quicker players on the perimeter.

Kristaps looks like he walking on black ice when he's defending above the free throw line.

Horse manure

You saying that doesn’t make it so

okay.

Let's have a player coming off a torn ACL defend quicker guards on the perimeter.

[DOT]

How does Carter Jr. and Bamba help the Knicks, if it forces Kristaps to defend on the perimeter where he struggles, due to his horrible lateral quickness?

He didn't struggle because of poor lateral quickness. KP struggled with the perimeter because he constantly had to shift between protecting the paint, blocking shots and guarding opposing 4's. Kanter isn't a rim protector, nor is he known for his defense. Essentially KP dealt with the responsibilities of guarding his own man AND protecting the paint, while also carrying the offensive load on a talent-barred team. That takes a toll on anybody, yet he still managed to be one of the best rim protectors in the league.

Now imagine if he had an actual defensive presence behind him so he didn't have to block every single shot. He played well when he had a true center like Lopez next to him. I can't speak for Carters defense, but a guy like Bamba would make life so much easier for him.

It’s like Fox News around here sometimes

This fallacy about Kp being a terrible lateral mover is such bs. He’s very strong defending wings on switches or picks largely because he doesn’t overcompensate and try to match foot speed. Instead he uses his length to disrupt shots or to recover and block.

But some fans really truly don’t know anything about this game and only see the mismatches that are effective. They can’t see the ones that get covered. Or the other 80% of the game that’s not jumpers and dunks.

I'm just projecting into the future, even before the ACL tear, KP had a higher ceiling as the primary rim protector if he put on enough weight to properly box people out. And he was never a smart team defender on the perimeter, he needed a coach to gameplan him for what to do, and a strong defensive C behind him

[Jay10]

Stop it.

You're telling me if you had the chance to draft possibly a Rudy Gobert type C to play with KP you would pass on that because of "fit" on a team that needs pretty much any help it can get anywhere? Thats negligible

What i'm saying is i would rather prefer Kristaps play the role on Rudy Gobert on the defensive end, and have the energy to be efficient on the offensive end, instead of chasing behind quicker players on the perimeter.

Kristaps looks like he walking on black ice when he's defending above the free throw line.

Agreed to much small ball going around to build around two big. We need more wings that handle the ball, can make plays and defend


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This is why it won't surprise anyone if the Pelicans decide not to re-sign Cousins, and instead let Davis play the center position full-time.

Frank
THJr.
Mikal
Lance
Kristaps

or

Trey
THJr./Frank
Frank/THJr.
Lance
Kristaps

etc.

These lineups would give Kristaps the space he needs instead of having a center clogging the paint.

[Knicksfan20]

Knox lacks presence. I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole

At 9, sure. But if we were to trade down, i wouldnt mind taking him with pick #13.

[Knicksfan1992]

How does Carter Jr. and Bamba help the Knicks, if it forces Kristaps to defend on the perimeter where he struggles, due to his horrible lateral quickness?

He didn't struggle because of poor lateral quickness. KP struggled with the perimeter because he constantly had to shift between protecting the paint, blocking shots and guarding opposing 4's. Kanter isn't a rim protector, nor is he known for his defense. Essentially KP dealt with the responsibilities of guarding his own man AND protecting the paint, while also carrying the offensive load on a talent-barred team. That takes a toll on anybody, yet he still managed to be one of the best rim protectors in the league.

Now imagine if he had an actual defensive presence behind him so he didn't have to block every single shot. He played well when he had a true center like Lopez next to him. I can't speak for Carters defense, but a guy like Bamba would make life so much easier for him.

It’s like Fox News around here sometimes

This fallacy about Kp being a terrible lateral mover is such bs. He’s very strong defending wings on switches or picks largely because he doesn’t overcompensate and try to match foot speed. Instead he uses his length to disrupt shots or to recover and block.

But some fans really truly don’t know anything about this game and only see the mismatches that are effective. They can’t see the ones that get covered. Or the other 80% of the game that’s not jumpers and dunks.

The issue with KP at the 4 isn't his lateral quickness in 1 on 1 situations out in space or switching on pick and rolls. The issue with KP at the 4 is that he loses stretch guys off ball and his natural inclination is to help protect the rim. It's why when we had him and ROLO we were one of the best teams at protecting the rim but one of the worst against the 3. This is why he should be a 5 because it helps accentuate what he wants to do defensively (and also what he's very good at) while helping mitigate his propensity to not close out on 3's as well as he should. Also coming off the ACL he's going to creep even closer to the basket to get those blocks than he did before to make up for the quickness he naturally will lose after the injury.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I see KP as a future 5, but I would not let that stop me from drafting a C if that’s the clear cut bpa. We can’t afford to pass on better talent for need if that’s the case.

[ChaosHamster]

He didn't struggle because of poor lateral quickness. KP struggled with the perimeter because he constantly had to shift between protecting the paint, blocking shots and guarding opposing 4's. Kanter isn't a rim protector, nor is he known for his defense. Essentially KP dealt with the responsibilities of guarding his own man AND protecting the paint, while also carrying the offensive load on a talent-barred team. That takes a toll on anybody, yet he still managed to be one of the best rim protectors in the league.

Now imagine if he had an actual defensive presence behind him so he didn't have to block every single shot. He played well when he had a true center like Lopez next to him. I can't speak for Carters defense, but a guy like Bamba would make life so much easier for him.

It’s like Fox News around here sometimes

This fallacy about Kp being a terrible lateral mover is such bs. He’s very strong defending wings on switches or picks largely because he doesn’t overcompensate and try to match foot speed. Instead he uses his length to disrupt shots or to recover and block.

But some fans really truly don’t know anything about this game and only see the mismatches that are effective. They can’t see the ones that get covered. Or the other 80% of the game that’s not jumpers and dunks.

The issue with KP at the 4 isn't his lateral quickness in 1 on 1 situations out in space or switching on pick and rolls. The issue with KP at the 4 is that he loses stretch guys off ball and his natural inclination is to help protect the rim. It's why when we had him and ROLO we were one of the best teams at protecting the rim but one of the worst against the 3. This is why he should be a 5 because it helps accentuate what he wants to do defensively (and also what he's very good at) while helping mitigate his propensity to not close out on 3's as well as he should. Also coming off the ACL he's going to creep even closer to the basket to get those blocks than he did before to make up for the quickness he naturally will lose after the injury.

I don't think its true.

http://stats.nba.com/teams/defense-dash-3pt/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=PLUSMINUS&dir=-1

[alphad0gz]

I think Porter's handle is fine if he's a full time 4 and occasional small ball 5. Again we can't really be sure what he's going to be because in High School he was just more of an athletic freak and could get what he wanted when he wanted and he obviously came back less than 100% at Missouri. Not many legit 6'10" guys can shoot on the move like he can. That's already a tremendous skill to have combined with his very functional athleticism when healthy. His release point is high too so bigs are going to have to push up on him to cover it which will only allow him to play off that jumper even more. Handle can be improved. He's a raw slate but I believe in his natural talent especially at 9.

Mark my words, Porter will be a soft NBA player and be the kind that really pisses off the fans. There is no Draymond Green in him....

How do you know this?

Nobody can know. it's my opinion. He looks and plays soft. If anyone is like Tim Thomas, it's Porter. Shooter with size and skill, but shows little inclination to bang. I think NBA guys will make him cry....

[Knicksfan1992]

He didn't struggle because of poor lateral quickness. KP struggled with the perimeter because he constantly had to shift between protecting the paint, blocking shots and guarding opposing 4's. Kanter isn't a rim protector, nor is he known for his defense. Essentially KP dealt with the responsibilities of guarding his own man AND protecting the paint, while also carrying the offensive load on a talent-barred team. That takes a toll on anybody, yet he still managed to be one of the best rim protectors in the league.

Now imagine if he had an actual defensive presence behind him so he didn't have to block every single shot. He played well when he had a true center like Lopez next to him. I can't speak for Carters defense, but a guy like Bamba would make life so much easier for him.

Kristaps has no business chasing behind small forwards and power forwards on the perimeter.

What are you going to do when Kristaps has to play the center position full-time if you draft a center?

Instead of wasting the pick on a center, just sign one in free agency.

Stop it.

You're telling me if you had the chance to draft possibly a Rudy Gobert type C to play with KP you would pass on that because of "fit" on a team that needs pretty much any help it can get anywhere? Thats negligible

KP is already Gobert with a semblance of an offensive game. We have no need for another pure rim protector next to him. The only reason to take Bamba is if you believe he's clear and away BPA which he very well could be at 9. Fit wise it's kind of disastrous defensively and they won't be able to play late in games together against most teams.

[NoLayupRule]

He didn't struggle because of poor lateral quickness. KP struggled with the perimeter because he constantly had to shift between protecting the paint, blocking shots and guarding opposing 4's. Kanter isn't a rim protector, nor is he known for his defense. Essentially KP dealt with the responsibilities of guarding his own man AND protecting the paint, while also carrying the offensive load on a talent-barred team. That takes a toll on anybody, yet he still managed to be one of the best rim protectors in the league.

Now imagine if he had an actual defensive presence behind him so he didn't have to block every single shot. He played well when he had a true center like Lopez next to him. I can't speak for Carters defense, but a guy like Bamba would make life so much easier for him.

It’s like Fox News around here sometimes

This fallacy about Kp being a terrible lateral mover is such bs. He’s very strong defending wings on switches or picks largely because he doesn’t overcompensate and try to match foot speed. Instead he uses his length to disrupt shots or to recover and block.

But some fans really truly don’t know anything about this game and only see the mismatches that are effective. They can’t see the ones that get covered. Or the other 80% of the game that’s not jumpers and dunks.

You think Kristaps is a good perimeter defender?

His defense on the perimeter is as cringeworthy as his crossover, how to this day i will never understand how defenders let him get away with it without stealing the ball.

Your lack of understanding is exactly the point.

Is he a good perimeter defender?
He’s 7’3”

For his size he’s an exceptional one. Largely for the reasons I stated.

But he’s not supposed to be a perimeter defender. He’s a center.

Was Duncan a good perrimiter defender?

Defense is a team game
Kp is excellent at help defense on the perimeter but if we’re gonna switch every 5/1 pick or rely on Kp to defend the oppositions scoring guards then we will lose regardless of Kp or Gobert or AD or whoever.

And his crossover is effective despite your lack of understanding.

[NoLayupRule]

It’s like Fox News around here sometimes

This fallacy about Kp being a terrible lateral mover is such bs. He’s very strong defending wings on switches or picks largely because he doesn’t overcompensate and try to match foot speed. Instead he uses his length to disrupt shots or to recover and block.

But some fans really truly don’t know anything about this game and only see the mismatches that are effective. They can’t see the ones that get covered. Or the other 80% of the game that’s not jumpers and dunks.

The issue with KP at the 4 isn't his lateral quickness in 1 on 1 situations out in space or switching on pick and rolls. The issue with KP at the 4 is that he loses stretch guys off ball and his natural inclination is to help protect the rim. It's why when we had him and ROLO we were one of the best teams at protecting the rim but one of the worst against the 3. This is why he should be a 5 because it helps accentuate what he wants to do defensively (and also what he's very good at) while helping mitigate his propensity to not close out on 3's as well as he should. Also coming off the ACL he's going to creep even closer to the basket to get those blocks than he did before to make up for the quickness he naturally will lose after the injury.

I don't think its true.

http://stats.nba.com/teams/defense-dash-3pt/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=PLUSMINUS&dir=-1

And further more our three point defensive failures are not only on Kp. Mostly we’re bad there because our guards give up those shots when they constantly hedge on penetration.

I feel it was melo more than Kp in that rolo year that we suffered from at 3 point defense. And affalo. And Calderon.

[NoLayupRule]

What i'm saying is i would rather prefer Kristaps play the role on Rudy Gobert on the defensive end, and have the energy to be efficient on the offensive end, instead of chasing behind quicker players on the perimeter.

Kristaps looks like he walking on black ice when he's defending above the free throw line.

Horse manure

You saying that doesn’t make it so

okay.

Let's have a player coming off a torn ACL defend quicker guards on the perimeter.

classic false narrative

No one ever suggested what you are saying

[Knicksfan1992]

It’s like Fox News around here sometimes

This fallacy about Kp being a terrible lateral mover is such bs. He’s very strong defending wings on switches or picks largely because he doesn’t overcompensate and try to match foot speed. Instead he uses his length to disrupt shots or to recover and block.

But some fans really truly don’t know anything about this game and only see the mismatches that are effective. They can’t see the ones that get covered. Or the other 80% of the game that’s not jumpers and dunks.

The issue with KP at the 4 isn't his lateral quickness in 1 on 1 situations out in space or switching on pick and rolls. The issue with KP at the 4 is that he loses stretch guys off ball and his natural inclination is to help protect the rim. It's why when we had him and ROLO we were one of the best teams at protecting the rim but one of the worst against the 3. This is why he should be a 5 because it helps accentuate what he wants to do defensively (and also what he's very good at) while helping mitigate his propensity to not close out on 3's as well as he should. Also coming off the ACL he's going to creep even closer to the basket to get those blocks than he did before to make up for the quickness he naturally will lose after the injury.

I don't think its true.

http://stats.nba.com/teams/defense-dash-3pt/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=PLUSMINUS&dir=-1

Hmm interesting. I specifically remember us getting blitzed from 3 that year. Good stat.

[HEZI]

It’s like Fox News around here sometimes

This fallacy about Kp being a terrible lateral mover is such bs. He’s very strong defending wings on switches or picks largely because he doesn’t overcompensate and try to match foot speed. Instead he uses his length to disrupt shots or to recover and block.

But some fans really truly don’t know anything about this game and only see the mismatches that are effective. They can’t see the ones that get covered. Or the other 80% of the game that’s not jumpers and dunks.

The issue with KP at the 4 isn't his lateral quickness in 1 on 1 situations out in space or switching on pick and rolls. The issue with KP at the 4 is that he loses stretch guys off ball and his natural inclination is to help protect the rim. It's why when we had him and ROLO we were one of the best teams at protecting the rim but one of the worst against the 3. This is why he should be a 5 because it helps accentuate what he wants to do defensively (and also what he's very good at) while helping mitigate his propensity to not close out on 3's as well as he should. Also coming off the ACL he's going to creep even closer to the basket to get those blocks than he did before to make up for the quickness he naturally will lose after the injury.

I don't think its true.

http://stats.nba.com/teams/defense-dash-3pt/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=PLUSMINUS&dir=-1

The game has really changed in those last couple years. Just look at the attempts teams had back then and now, it's like a 10 three's a game difference almost on average. It's crazy how much teams are shooting way more 3s nowadays than they did even just 2-3 years ago.

Also, KP was a lot lighter and quicker as a rookie. He had way more spring in his step that one year. Maybe it's because he's added a little weight now, spending way more energy on offense because he's being asked to do a lot more now than he did as a rookie but he's def. not moving like he did as a rookie. A lot as changed not just with him but with the NBA game in general.

[F N 11]

Mikal posted a pic and his legs looks super super skinny

[Jay10]

Horse manure

You saying that doesn’t make it so

okay.

Let's have a player coming off a torn ACL defend quicker guards on the perimeter.

classic false narrative

No one ever suggested what you are saying

what false narrative?

If people are talking about drafting Carter Jr. and Bamba, what position do you think Kristaps is going to play?

If Kristaps plays the power forward position this year, he's guaranteed to defend quicker players on the perimeter.

Better pray the person he's guarding on the perimeter shows him mercy.

[DOT]

The issue with KP at the 4 isn't his lateral quickness in 1 on 1 situations out in space or switching on pick and rolls. The issue with KP at the 4 is that he loses stretch guys off ball and his natural inclination is to help protect the rim. It's why when we had him and ROLO we were one of the best teams at protecting the rim but one of the worst against the 3. This is why he should be a 5 because it helps accentuate what he wants to do defensively (and also what he's very good at) while helping mitigate his propensity to not close out on 3's as well as he should. Also coming off the ACL he's going to creep even closer to the basket to get those blocks than he did before to make up for the quickness he naturally will lose after the injury.

I don't think its true.

http://stats.nba.com/teams/defense-dash-3pt/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=PLUSMINUS&dir=-1

Hmm interesting. I specifically remember us getting blitzed from 3 that year. Good stat.

KP was actually pretty good at defending spot up shots his first year in the league, only allowed about a 41.5% EFG, and was in the top 20%
http://stats.nba.com/players/spot-up/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&OD=defensive&CF=PlayerFirstName*E*krist

That number dropped dramatically his 2nd year to 52.5%, bottom 36%
http://stats.nba.com/players/spot-up/?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&OD=defensive&CF=PlayerFirstName*E*krist

And then this year he was allowing a near 60% EFG, bottom 23% in the league
http://stats.nba.com/players/spot-up/?Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&OD=defensive&CF=PlayerFirstName*E*krist

So that's why I've been saying that switching from Fisher to Jeff and RoLo to Noah to Kanter has had a lot more impact on KP's defense than a lot of people say

He should still be moved to C full time now, especially after the ACL

[DOT]

Mikal posted a pic and his legs looks super super skinny

[knickstape4ever]

Mikal posted a pic and his legs looks super super skinny

its concerning to me that he's almost 22 y/o and still has that body type. I think its because he has a slight frame that may be close to maxed out