Marvin Bagley

[Sactowndog]

Bagley is the guy ive been most up and down on this year. Still not really sure what to make of him.

He's been the most consistent player by far. Are you sure you are talking about Marvin Bagley?

BOh no Bagley was consistent but my opinion of him has been anything but. Theres clearly a ton of potential there but his question marks do concern me. Im just not sure how to evaluate just how good he can be

Huh?

Basically he's not up and down on Bagley because of his play but because he doesn't know what to make of his play. I've been saying all year Bagley is AD, Oden, Rose, KD, and Simmons level to me but others can't make up their minds on a player that's so raw with o much hustle and athletic ability despite playing the game so much. What many don't know is that because Bagley almost exclusively played just with his HS team and moved up a class he's 100-200 games behind most other guys his age. His rawness makes sense when you realize he's two or maybe even 3 years behind everyone else in terms of in game experience.

Wait? What? Bagley didn’t play AAU ball? You know that for a fact?

[E-Balla]

He's been the most consistent player by far. Are you sure you are talking about Marvin Bagley?



Huh?

Basically he's not up and down on Bagley because of his play but because he doesn't know what to make of his play. I've been saying all year Bagley is AD, Oden, Rose, KD, and Simmons level to me but others can't make up their minds on a player that's so raw with o much hustle and athletic ability despite playing the game so much. What many don't know is that because Bagley almost exclusively played just with his HS team and moved up a class he's 100-200 games behind most other guys his age. His rawness makes sense when you realize he's two or maybe even 3 years behind everyone else in terms of in game experience.

Wait? What? Bagley didn’t play AAU ball? You know that for a fact?

He played AAU ball one year. He was also ineligible his first year at Sierra Canyon and skipped his senior year so we have his freshman HS season, AAU after his sophomore year, his junior year, and his year at Duke as his experience. Most guys have 4 years of AAU and school games in HS.

[nolang1]

Basically he's not up and down on Bagley because of his play but because he doesn't know what to make of his play. I've been saying all year Bagley is AD, Oden, Rose, KD, and Simmons level to me but others can't make up their minds on a player that's so raw with o much hustle and athletic ability despite playing the game so much. What many don't know is that because Bagley almost exclusively played just with his HS team and moved up a class he's 100-200 games behind most other guys his age. His rawness makes sense when you realize he's two or maybe even 3 years behind everyone else in terms of in game experience.

Wait? What? Bagley didn’t play AAU ball? You know that for a fact?

He played AAU ball one year. He was also ineligible his first year at Sierra Canyon and skipped his senior year so we have his freshman HS season, AAU after his sophomore year, his junior year, and his year at Duke as his experience. Most guys have 4 years of AAU and school games in HS.

He played last summer. Was 2nd in scoring (after RJ Barrett who only played half as many games), 1st in rebounds (2+ more per game than 2nd place), and 3rd in blocks per game in the EYBL. Got a reputation as 'not a competitor/winner' because he was playing alongside low-major/non-D1 recruits in a league where any decent team has its entire rotation go on to play at a power conference school.

[E-Balla]

Wait? What? Bagley didn’t play AAU ball? You know that for a fact?

He played AAU ball one year. He was also ineligible his first year at Sierra Canyon and skipped his senior year so we have his freshman HS season, AAU after his sophomore year, his junior year, and his year at Duke as his experience. Most guys have 4 years of AAU and school games in HS.

He played last summer. Was 2nd in scoring (after RJ Barrett who only played half as many games), 1st in rebounds (2+ more per game than 2nd place), and 3rd in blocks per game in the EYBL. Got a reputation as 'not a competitor/winner' because he was playing alongside low-major/non-D1 recruits in a league where any decent team has its entire rotation go on to play at a power conference school.

My bad you're right I had my years mixed up. He played AAU ball the summer of 2017 not 2016. Either way my main point was that he played 1 year of AAU and 2 years of HS ball while most kids do 4 years of both.

[nolang1]

He played AAU ball one year. He was also ineligible his first year at Sierra Canyon and skipped his senior year so we have his freshman HS season, AAU after his sophomore year, his junior year, and his year at Duke as his experience. Most guys have 4 years of AAU and school games in HS.

He played last summer. Was 2nd in scoring (after RJ Barrett who only played half as many games), 1st in rebounds (2+ more per game than 2nd place), and 3rd in blocks per game in the EYBL. Got a reputation as 'not a competitor/winner' because he was playing alongside low-major/non-D1 recruits in a league where any decent team has its entire rotation go on to play at a power conference school.

My bad you're right I had my years mixed up. He played AAU ball the summer of 2017 not 2016. Either way my main point was that he played 1 year of AAU and 2 years of HS ball while most kids do 4 years of both.

No he played 2016 too.

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He did play as much AAU/EYBL as anyone else would've; the issue was more that his dad (who had no prior coaching experience) was the coach/program director, plus beyond AAU he didn't do any of the team USA stuff or elite basketball camps like Adidas Nations that other highly-rated prospects attend. In any event you could definitely say this past season was the first one he received anything resembling real coaching, and even then he enrolled in school at the last minute and missed all the offseason workouts.

[E-Balla]

He played last summer. Was 2nd in scoring (after RJ Barrett who only played half as many games), 1st in rebounds (2+ more per game than 2nd place), and 3rd in blocks per game in the EYBL. Got a reputation as 'not a competitor/winner' because he was playing alongside low-major/non-D1 recruits in a league where any decent team has its entire rotation go on to play at a power conference school.

My bad you're right I had my years mixed up. He played AAU ball the summer of 2017 not 2016. Either way my main point was that he played 1 year of AAU and 2 years of HS ball while most kids do 4 years of both.

No he played 2016 too.

Watch on YouTube

He did play as much AAU/EYBL as anyone else would've; the issue was more that his dad (who had no prior coaching experience) was the coach/program director, plus beyond AAU he didn't do any of the team USA stuff or elite basketball camps like Adidas Nations that other highly-rated prospects attend.

Stand corrected then. I thought the whole point of his dad holding him out for Team USA after letting him try out was that they didn't want him to tire himself out?

[nolang1]

My bad you're right I had my years mixed up. He played AAU ball the summer of 2017 not 2016. Either way my main point was that he played 1 year of AAU and 2 years of HS ball while most kids do 4 years of both.

No he played 2016 too.

Watch on YouTube

He did play as much AAU/EYBL as anyone else would've; the issue was more that his dad (who had no prior coaching experience) was the coach/program director, plus beyond AAU he didn't do any of the team USA stuff or elite basketball camps like Adidas Nations that other highly-rated prospects attend.

Stand corrected then. I thought the whole point of his dad holding him out for Team USA after letting him try out was that they didn't want him to tire himself out?

Who knows? All I can say is that it doesn't take much reading between the lines to see that Bagley III has for all intents and purposes been his family's primary breadwinner for at least the past three years, so it was probably related to money/leverage.

[E-Balla]

No he played 2016 too.

Watch on YouTube

He did play as much AAU/EYBL as anyone else would've; the issue was more that his dad (who had no prior coaching experience) was the coach/program director, plus beyond AAU he didn't do any of the team USA stuff or elite basketball camps like Adidas Nations that other highly-rated prospects attend.

Stand corrected then. I thought the whole point of his dad holding him out for Team USA after letting him try out was that they didn't want him to tire himself out?

Who knows? All I can say is that it doesn't take much reading between the lines to see that Bagley III has for all intents and purposes been his family's primary breadwinner for at least the past three years, so it was probably related to money/leverage.

I remember last year they thought he'd lose eligibility over his fam taking Nike gear too.

Wonder how much Nike and Duke paid him under the table... We know Ayton got 6 figures.

[nolang1]

It wasn't even under the table. Nike or any other shoe company can pay someone's dad to be a coach/program director just as any college can pay someone's dad big bucks to be an assistant (or I suppose even a head coach if they wanted to be really bold). From there I'm sure AAU program directors get some sort of stipend that is ostensibly for travel expenses/food/coaches/etc. but is actually used to pay players under the table, and Bagley's dad probably just pocketed most, if not all, of that by rolling out a team composed of his son(s) and scrubs and coaching it himself.

It certainly wasn't the best thing for Bagley's development over the past couple years and likely saddled him with a reputation as someone who gets numbers but doesn't impact winning (when in actuality he was turning a lot of would-be 40-point blowouts into competitive losses), but yes I'm sure Bagley's family received about as much compensation as possible under the letter of the law and it was well into the six-figure range.

[Domejandro]

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[rpa]

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This makes me question whether I want the Kings to draft him ...

[RookieStar]

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First off... PUMA has basketball shoes?

Second.. aren't they NIKE people? ( I mean his dad is..)

[Domejandro]

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First off... PUMA has basketball shoes?

Second.. aren't they NIKE people? ( I mean his dad is..)

I guess money talks.

[flintsky21]

Bagley would be a great fit in the 90s or the 2000s, but I doubt how much an inside scoring power forward can impact in the modern NBA where the most valuable types of players are scoring guards, 3&D wings, and stretch bigs. His best position would probably be center but I think he's too small for that right now. He's a rich man's Kenneth Faried in my eyes, but I've been wrong many times before.

[BostonCouchGM]

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This makes me question whether I want the Kings to draft him ...

[CptCrunch]

So Durant signed a 60m/7 year + $12m signing bonus.

Puma is placing their basketball shoe line on the backs of Bagley. Trying to sign a future superstar for cheap (or a superscrub for $$$)

[nolang1]

Bagley would be a great fit in the 90s or the 2000s, but I doubt how much an inside scoring power forward can impact in the modern NBA where the most valuable types of players are scoring guards, 3&D wings, and stretch bigs. His best position would probably be center but I think he's too small for that right now. He's a rich man's Kenneth Faried in my eyes, but I've been wrong many times before.

You can question the degree to which Bagley's outside shot translates, but as a Celtics fan you certainly must realize the vast difference between even someone like Marcus Smart and a player like Faried or Ben Simmons who cannot or will not shoot three-pointers at all. And then there's the little issue of Bagley scoring 4 more points per game his freshman year at Duke than Faried did his senior year at Morehead State; if Faried were a threat to go right up and dunk it whenever he got an offensive rebound or made a good cut off the ball he wouldn't even need more touches to be considered a potent scorer.

[PLO]

I'm critical of Bagley in other areas but not his outside shooting, yes he has a slow release but given he's been so dominant inside he probably has never taken regular 3 point shots in game up until this season. A freshman shooting 40% on low volume from 3 for a guy with that superb inside game is a big positive in that context - its something to work with going forward. Its also not as if he's a wing that has to be able to shoot from distance to stay on the floor.

[flintsky21]

Bagley would be a great fit in the 90s or the 2000s, but I doubt how much an inside scoring power forward can impact in the modern NBA where the most valuable types of players are scoring guards, 3&D wings, and stretch bigs. His best position would probably be center but I think he's too small for that right now. He's a rich man's Kenneth Faried in my eyes, but I've been wrong many times before.

You can question the degree to which Bagley's outside shot translates, but as a Celtics fan you certainly must realize the vast difference between even someone like Marcus Smart and a player like Faried or Ben Simmons who cannot or will not shoot three-pointers at all. And then there's the little issue of Bagley scoring 4 more points per game his freshman year at Duke than Faried did his senior year at Morehead State; if Faried were a threat to go right up and dunk it whenever he got an offensive rebound or made a good cut off the ball he wouldn't even need more touches to be considered a potent scorer.

Thus being a "rich man's" Faried. Bagley is taller and faster. He doesn't have the most polished offensive skillset and his inability to use the right hand is going to limit him. He dominates college bigs because of his mere physical gifts but might struggle to do the same against most NBA starting bigs, who are bigger and smarter.

He can shoot the 3 but he's not gonna be a threat from out there in the NBA, at least for now. He shot a low volume in college and mostly only really wide open ones so it's hard to gauge how this will translate at the pro level. And Marcus Smart will shoot the 3 but I really wish he doesn't, cause more often than not, his percentages end up being detrimental to the team. Sticking to your strengths is an underrated skill in the NBA.

But I think Bagley is probably the "safest" pick in the top 5. He's gonna be a solid player at the very least if only because of his athletic ability and high motor. A high floor player though his ceiling likely won't be as high as the likes of Ayton, Doncic or even Bamba, who could all be franchise-changers.

[King Ken]

Bagley would be a great fit in the 90s or the 2000s, but I doubt how much an inside scoring power forward can impact in the modern NBA where the most valuable types of players are scoring guards, 3&D wings, and stretch bigs. His best position would probably be center but I think he's too small for that right now. He's a rich man's Kenneth Faried in my eyes, but I've been wrong many times before.

You can question the degree to which Bagley's outside shot translates, but as a Celtics fan you certainly must realize the vast difference between even someone like Marcus Smart and a player like Faried or Ben Simmons who cannot or will not shoot three-pointers at all. And then there's the little issue of Bagley scoring 4 more points per game his freshman year at Duke than Faried did his senior year at Morehead State; if Faried were a threat to go right up and dunk it whenever he got an offensive rebound or made a good cut off the ball he wouldn't even need more touches to be considered a potent scorer.

Thus being a "rich man's" Faried. Bagley is taller and faster. He doesn't have the most polished offensive skillset and his inability to use the right hand is going to limit him. He dominates college bigs because of his mere physical gifts but might struggle to do the same against most NBA starting bigs, who are bigger and smarter.

He can shoot the 3 but he's not gonna be a threat from out there in the NBA, at least for now. He shot a low volume in college and mostly only really wide open ones so it's hard to gauge how this will translate at the pro level. And Marcus Smart will shoot the 3 but I really wish he doesn't, cause more often than not, his percentages end up being detrimental to the team. Sticking to your strengths is an underrated skill in the NBA.

But I think Bagley is probably the "safest" pick in the top 5. He's gonna be a solid player at the very least if only because of his athletic ability and high motor. A high floor player though his ceiling likely won't be as high as the likes of Ayton, Doncic or even Bamba, who could all be franchise-changers.