Almost off-season discussion! Trades/Free Agency Ep. 9

[BobbieL]

I am still trying to figure out why the Suns would want Deng. He would take all their cap space up. So that would mean - unless somebody took Chandler and Dudley, over 40m of the cap would be totally wasted. If you add in the unknown of Knight, that 55m dollars Maybe for Ingram and Kuzma - but not picks - do not need more picks. I am okay with not going forward with making moves just to make moves - on multiple year deals - meaning don't redo 2010 with Hakim, Josh and Hedo. But Deng would be going sideways or to me, backwards. He has two years left on his deal.

The only way I do this deal is if a three team deal
Team X gets Deng , the Suns pick either 16 this year or a future non lottery first rounder and the pick from the Lakers
Lakers get cap space
Suns get Kuzma: I would give up a first round pick for Kuzma -

It really is mind blowing that he will be making over 17mil each of the next 2 years. LA brass was a disaster that summer.

Its should serve as a cautionary reminder to the suns that some win now vet leadership deals can go tragically wrong. Tread lightly McD.

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and like you have sad Week - if the right long term veteran is not available - find a veteran that is willing to take a one year overpay like the Sixers did with Reddick. At worst - I mean at worst, a one year overpay becomes a cap buyout on March 1 -- but also could be an expiring trade candidate next spring

So I agree - tread lightly - hopefully SArver is gone - as really I think he makes some panic moves at times too

and by the way, I went to the NBA Capulator and the way to get Deng /Kuzma is this if Dudley and Chandler are not traded or stretched:
renounce Len Payton and Peters
waive Ulis and Williams BEFORE 7/1

Trade Deng/Kuzma for like Daniels

Now, after extending Booker - do you know how much cap space the Suns have - zilch. Not only this summer but next year

I just am not sure Kuzma is worth all of that

[BobbieL]

What would you guys give up to move from 16 to 11 in this draft?

Would you swap Dudley and Bender for Marvin Williams and Frank Kaminsky?

anybody that has been reading this board for the offseason knows I would do Marvin for Dudley - like yesterday though if there weren't better uses of Dudleys contract. This would give Mitch a bunch of cap space next summer

So for me - I would probably do 16 and Dudley for Marvin and 11. I probably throw in 31 to the Hornets

[LofJ]

What would you guys give up to move from 16 to 11 in this draft?

Would you swap Dudley and Bender for Marvin Williams and Frank Kaminsky?

anybody that has been reading this board for the offseason knows I would do Marvin for Dudley - like yesterday though if there weren't better uses of Dudleys contract. This would give Mitch a bunch of cap space next summer

So for me - I would probably do 16 and Dudley for Marvin and 11. I probably throw in 31 to the Hornets

That's a fair offer, I'd hope that our front office would seriously consider it. You guys can jump in front of the Clippers to get either Sexton or Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, and we can hopefully pick up Troy Brown at 16.

[gaspar]

anybody that has been reading this board for the offseason knows I would do Marvin for Dudley - like yesterday

This is so **** stupid. Marvin Williams is about as useful as Luol Deng and Jared Dudley are right now. The main difference between those players is that the Lakers and Suns were smart enough to not give those washed up scrubs any minutes last season. I guarantee that a year from now Marvin will be completely unplayable on a competitive team.





Please tell what's the purpose of Marvin Williams on this Suns team for the next 2 seasons?

[BobbieL]

What would you guys give up to move from 16 to 11 in this draft?

Would you swap Dudley and Bender for Marvin Williams and Frank Kaminsky?

anybody that has been reading this board for the offseason knows I would do Marvin for Dudley - like yesterday though if there weren't better uses of Dudleys contract. This would give Mitch a bunch of cap space next summer

So for me - I would probably do 16 and Dudley for Marvin and 11. I probably throw in 31 to the Hornets

That's a fair offer, I'd hope that our front office would seriously consider it. You guys can jump in front of the Clippers to get either Sexton or Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, and we can hopefully pick up Troy Brown at 16.

Plus the Hornets get the 31st pickfor Mitch. Plus15m of cap space to go with Howard and Lamb - that would give Mitch a chance to possibly do something next summer in free . agency. Not that Charlotte is the biggest destination but right now with Zeller locked down for three more years through 21; MKG and Williams through 20 and Batum - through 2022 - options are limited for Kupchak. Kemba and Kaminsky are free agents next summer Hornets have always been a target of mine this summer since the Suns have 27m of expiring in Daniels Dudley and Chandler and felt Dudley or Chandler for Williams would help Mitch out a bit - not this summer but next.

[LofJ]

anybody that has been reading this board for the offseason knows I would do Marvin for Dudley - like yesterday though if there weren't better uses of Dudleys contract. This would give Mitch a bunch of cap space next summer

So for me - I would probably do 16 and Dudley for Marvin and 11. I probably throw in 31 to the Hornets

That's a fair offer, I'd hope that our front office would seriously consider it. You guys can jump in front of the Clippers to get either Sexton or Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, and we can hopefully pick up Troy Brown at 16.

Plus the Hornets get the 31st pickfor Mitch. Plus15m of cap space to go with Howard and Lamb - that would give Mitch a chance to possibly do something next summer in free . agency. Not that Charlotte is the biggest destination but right now with Zeller locked down for three more years through 21; MKG and Williams through 20 and Batum - through 2022 - options are limited for Kupchak. Kemba and Kaminsky are free agents next summer Hornets have always been a target of mine this summer since the Suns have 27m of expiring in Daniels Dudley and Chandler and felt Dudley or Chandler for Williams would help Mitch out a bit - not this summer but next.

Marvin is one the most professional, likable, and intelligent players in the NBA. He's going to be a head coach or GM one day if he wants to be, the team and the city of Charlotte would miss him. But like you said the team is in a financial crunch and needs additional cap flexibility so trading him (or MKG) is regrettably necessary.

[King4Day]

That's a fair offer, I'd hope that our front office would seriously consider it. You guys can jump in front of the Clippers to get either Sexton or Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, and we can hopefully pick up Troy Brown at 16.

Plus the Hornets get the 31st pickfor Mitch. Plus15m of cap space to go with Howard and Lamb - that would give Mitch a chance to possibly do something next summer in free . agency. Not that Charlotte is the biggest destination but right now with Zeller locked down for three more years through 21; MKG and Williams through 20 and Batum - through 2022 - options are limited for Kupchak. Kemba and Kaminsky are free agents next summer Hornets have always been a target of mine this summer since the Suns have 27m of expiring in Daniels Dudley and Chandler and felt Dudley or Chandler for Williams would help Mitch out a bit - not this summer but next.

Marvin is one the most professional, likable, and intelligent players in the NBA. He's going to be a head coach or GM one day if he wants to be, the team and the city of Charlotte would miss him. But like you said the team is in a financial crunch and needs additional cap flexibility so trading him (or MKG) is regrettably necessary.

Is Brown who you guys are honing in on in the draft? What makes him special for you guys? I'm not familiar with him.

[LofJ]

Plus the Hornets get the 31st pickfor Mitch. Plus15m of cap space to go with Howard and Lamb - that would give Mitch a chance to possibly do something next summer in free . agency. Not that Charlotte is the biggest destination but right now with Zeller locked down for three more years through 21; MKG and Williams through 20 and Batum - through 2022 - options are limited for Kupchak. Kemba and Kaminsky are free agents next summer Hornets have always been a target of mine this summer since the Suns have 27m of expiring in Daniels Dudley and Chandler and felt Dudley or Chandler for Williams would help Mitch out a bit - not this summer but next.

Marvin is one the most professional, likable, and intelligent players in the NBA. He's going to be a head coach or GM one day if he wants to be, the team and the city of Charlotte would miss him. But like you said the team is in a financial crunch and needs additional cap flexibility so trading him (or MKG) is regrettably necessary.

Is Brown who you guys are honing in on in the draft? What makes him special for you guys? I'm not familiar with him.

I don't know how interested the team is in him, but they're bringing him in for a workout and he fits the type of Spurs like scheme the team is trying to implement. He can't shoot yet, but he's really smart and he can handle the ball, pass, and play competent team defense. If the Spurs aren't planning to pay Kyle Anderson this summer there's no way he'll slip past them at 18.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Marvin is one the most professional, likable, and intelligent players in the NBA. He's going to be a head coach or GM one day if he wants to be, the team and the city of Charlotte would miss him. But like you said the team is in a financial crunch and needs additional cap flexibility so trading him (or MKG) is regrettably necessary.

Is Brown who you guys are honing in on in the draft? What makes him special for you guys? I'm not familiar with him.

I don't know how interested the team is in him, but they're bringing him in for a workout and he fits the type of Spurs like scheme the team is trying to implement. He can't shoot yet, but he's really smart and he can handle the ball, pass, and play competent team defense. If the Spurs aren't planning to pay Kyle Anderson this summer there's no way he'll slip past them at 18.

Word is we like him, too. Won't be surprised if he's the pick.

If we're moving up, I think it's for Shai.

Not sure #16 + #31 for #11 is very far off in terms of value, TBH. NBA players will be available at #31 for sure, given the depth of the draft.

I wonder how serious we are about Bates-Diop. I think Connelly/McD imagine Keita playing at the 4 for us. Can't imagine we add him without moving on from one of our other young forwards, which remains a distinct possibility.

[bwgood77]

Is Brown who you guys are honing in on in the draft? What makes him special for you guys? I'm not familiar with him.

I don't know how interested the team is in him, but they're bringing him in for a workout and he fits the type of Spurs like scheme the team is trying to implement. He can't shoot yet, but he's really smart and he can handle the ball, pass, and play competent team defense. If the Spurs aren't planning to pay Kyle Anderson this summer there's no way he'll slip past them at 18.

Word is we like him, too. Won't be surprised if he's the pick.

If we're moving up, I think it's for Shai.

Not sure #16 + #31 for #11 is very far off in terms of value, TBH. NBA players will be available at #31 for sure, given the depth of the draft.

I wonder how serious we are about Bates-Diop. I think Connelly/McD imagine Keita playing at the 4 for us. Can't imagine we add him without moving on from one of our other young forwards, which remains a distinct possibility.

I wouldn't move up for Shai. I think there is a decent chance he slides to 16 anyway. Most teams don't need point guards. The teams that might (Orl, Atl, NY, Clev) pick too high to take him. I guess Charlotte or LAC could depending on what they plan on doing with their other guys, but being there are unknowns and they could also go with Sexton, etc, I think he could fall with so many pretty good wings in the miss. I just wish Shai had shot more volume on 3s...though he did shoot them well and has a good FT%...I just hope he isn't hesitant to shoot them....if he wasn't I'd firmly have him above most of the other point guards because of his D, but I like the high volume 3s the other guys have.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I don't know how interested the team is in him, but they're bringing him in for a workout and he fits the type of Spurs like scheme the team is trying to implement. He can't shoot yet, but he's really smart and he can handle the ball, pass, and play competent team defense. If the Spurs aren't planning to pay Kyle Anderson this summer there's no way he'll slip past them at 18.

Word is we like him, too. Won't be surprised if he's the pick.

If we're moving up, I think it's for Shai.

Not sure #16 + #31 for #11 is very far off in terms of value, TBH. NBA players will be available at #31 for sure, given the depth of the draft.

I wonder how serious we are about Bates-Diop. I think Connelly/McD imagine Keita playing at the 4 for us. Can't imagine we add him without moving on from one of our other young forwards, which remains a distinct possibility.

I wouldn't move up for Shai. I think there is a decent chance he slides to 16 anyway. Most teams don't need point guards. The teams that might (Orl, Atl, NY, Clev) pick too high to take him. I guess Charlotte or LAC could depending on what they plan on doing with their other guys, but being there are unknowns and they could also go with Sexton, etc, I think he could fall with so many pretty good wings in the miss. I just wish Shai had shot more volume on 3s...though he did shoot them well and has a good FT%...I just hope he isn't hesitant to shoot them....if he wasn't I'd firmly have him above most of the other point guards because of his D, but I like the high volume 3s the other guys have.

My biggest concern with Shai is that he's a good 20 pounds away from being able to play on an NBA court. He'll be an understudy his first few years in the league. Which means this is the Brandon Knight show next year.

I just don't see how a SL featuring Knight/Booker/Jackson/Ayton plays defense well enough to get to the postseason.

[BobbieL]

That's a fair offer, I'd hope that our front office would seriously consider it. You guys can jump in front of the Clippers to get either Sexton or Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, and we can hopefully pick up Troy Brown at 16.

Plus the Hornets get the 31st pickfor Mitch. Plus15m of cap space to go with Howard and Lamb - that would give Mitch a chance to possibly do something next summer in free . agency. Not that Charlotte is the biggest destination but right now with Zeller locked down for three more years through 21; MKG and Williams through 20 and Batum - through 2022 - options are limited for Kupchak. Kemba and Kaminsky are free agents next summer Hornets have always been a target of mine this summer since the Suns have 27m of expiring in Daniels Dudley and Chandler and felt Dudley or Chandler for Williams would help Mitch out a bit - not this summer but next.

Marvin is one the most professional, likable, and intelligent players in the NBA. He's going to be a head coach or GM one day if he wants to be, the team and the city of Charlotte would miss him. But like you said the team is in a financial crunch and needs additional cap flexibility so trading him (or MKG) is regrettably necessary.

and to be honest - i have looked at the players and contracts - with the Suns drafting Ayton, Zeller makes no sense. Batum is too long. I think MKG and Josh Jackson are similar - plus I think for two years Marvin would produce more than Dudley and be a better player in case Chriss or Bender don't improve. Hence, "my personal choice." Problem is Mitch Kupchak is against the wall so he might not have better options

Now, there might be better options than Dudley for Marvin - meaning another expiring or what not. But it seems for the long term, Mitch might need to move MKG or Marvin -- if Mitch would take Daniels and Chandler - I have thought maybe taking both Marvin and MKG -

[gaspar]

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Dudley or Chandler + #16 for Dinwiddie and #29?

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

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Dudley or Chandler + #16 for Dinwiddie and #29?

Oh yeah. Most of the guys we're looking at should be available in the mid-early twenties. Package the #29 and #31 to move up if you need to.

[darealjuice]

I'd rather use Dudley and/or Chandler in a mid-season trade as big expiring filler salaries. I'd also be fine letting them expire because it'd be easy for us to create max space for next offseason if we show enough improvement to attract that type of player. Brandon Knight is closer to my idea of a bloated contract.

[SideSwipe]

I'd rather use Dudley and/or Chandler in a mid-season trade as big expiring filler salaries. I'd also be fine letting them expire because it'd be easy for us to create max space for next offseason if we show enough improvement to attract that type of player. Brandon Knight is closer to my idea of a bloated contract.

Other summers I would have been more comfortable doing this, but this summer we need to set the table to be a good team out of the gate because we are going to need to maximize chemistry as early as possible so we can be fighting for the playoffs.

[BobbieL]

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Dudley or Chandler + #16 for Dinwiddie and #29?

the trade would be Dinwiddie and 29 for ulis and 16

Dinwiddie makes 1.5m - so chandler or Dudley are too much

now if you did a three team trade
something like

MN: DeMarre Carrol
Brooklyn; Dudley Cole Adrich , Alan Williams and Ulis plus 16

Suns get Dinwiddie and 29

that would rid the Nets of Carroll as Aldrich Williams and Ulis are not guaranteed

[gaspar]

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Dudley or Chandler + #16 for Dinwiddie and #29?

the trade would be Dinwiddie and 29 for ulis and 16

Dinwiddie makes 1.5m - so chandler or Dudley are too much

now if you did a three team trade
something like

MN: DeMarre Carrol
Brooklyn; Dudley Cole Adrich , Alan Williams and Ulis plus 16

Suns get Dinwiddie and 29

that would rid the Nets of Carroll as Aldrich Williams and Ulis are not guaranteed

Dude, did you even read the tweet? On what planet is Ulis a "bloated contract"?

[darealjuice]

I'd rather use Dudley and/or Chandler in a mid-season trade as big expiring filler salaries. I'd also be fine letting them expire because it'd be easy for us to create max space for next offseason if we show enough improvement to attract that type of player. Brandon Knight is closer to my idea of a bloated contract.

Other summers I would have been more comfortable doing this, but this summer we need to set the table to be a good team out of the gate because we are going to need to maximize chemistry as early as possible so we can be fighting for the playoffs.

We have plenty of cap space to improve this Summer without dumping Dudley and Chandler's contracts on draft day. There's no need to create more unless we're signing a max contract player in free agency, which we are unlikely to attract. It's not likely that any free agent (not named LeBron James) is taking this team to the playoffs anyways, and it's even debatable whether Dinwiddie moves the needle more than Knight or Payton. I'm not against trading them if the right opportunity arises, but I don't see the benefit in trading down 13 spots for a bottom tier starting point guard and no long term cap savings.

[TeamTragic]

What would you guys give up to move from 16 to 11 in this draft?

Would you swap Dudley and Bender for Marvin Williams and Frank Kaminsky?

NO