Draft Thread 13 - The Field Thins

[NBA Fan 1234]

So is there any reason why MPJ would cancel his workouts for Friday other than him getting a guarantee from the Kings at 2? The only other reason I could think of would be he suffered an injury, which I doubt is what happened.

Suns - Ayton
Kings - MPJ
Hawks - Trae?

Looks like the top 3 is shaping up. Doncic to the Mavs made sense to me for weeks now, especially if Memphis takes Bagley

Ayton
MPJ
Trae?
Bagley
Doncic

Top 5 shaping up

Could be posturing? Kings hoping someone bits on wanting a Bamba/Doncic etc and will either trade up...or they're putting it out there that they really like MPJr in hopes that someone likes him even more calls them up for a trade? If I were in the front office, that's what I would do.

I think Hawks trade down, by the way, and Mavs trade up.

True, but what explains the MPJ canceled workouts though? I could understand the Kings posturing, but it would be a strange coincidence that MPJ cancels his workout 2 days before it's supposed to take place and then the Kings news gets leaked.

Yeah, that I can't explain. Maybe they did promise him at 2? Oof.

[taj2133]

The Sacramento Kings will bring in Wendell Carter (Duke) for an individual workout on Saturday, June 16, league sources told The Athletic.
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i am thinking kings take bagley or donic and memphis takes porter.

[mpharris36]

Could be posturing? Kings hoping someone bits on wanting a Bamba/Doncic etc and will either trade up...or they're putting it out there that they really like MPJr in hopes that someone likes him even more calls them up for a trade? If I were in the front office, that's what I would do.

I think Hawks trade down, by the way, and Mavs trade up.

True, but what explains the MPJ canceled workouts though? I could understand the Kings posturing, but it would be a strange coincidence that MPJ cancels his workout 2 days before it's supposed to take place and then the Kings news gets leaked.

Yeah, that I can't explain. Maybe they did promise him at 2? Oof.

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[thebuzzardman]

If Donic is Manu Ginobili and Manu was in this draft, in what slot would you draft Manu, relative to the talent and projected talent of the other players?

Just playing the what if game. Not that Donic will be "Bird" or "Harden" or Kukoc or whatever. Let's say exactly Ginobili.

I don't see Manu in his game. He plays more like harden or Brandon Roy.


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It's one of his comps, but not the only one. I just took Manu as being seen as not quite the player Harden is.

Where would you draft Roy?

[3toheadmelo]

Could be posturing? Kings hoping someone bits on wanting a Bamba/Doncic etc and will either trade up...or they're putting it out there that they really like MPJr in hopes that someone likes him even more calls them up for a trade? If I were in the front office, that's what I would do.

I think Hawks trade down, by the way, and Mavs trade up.

True, but what explains the MPJ canceled workouts though? I could understand the Kings posturing, but it would be a strange coincidence that MPJ cancels his workout 2 days before it's supposed to take place and then the Kings news gets leaked.

Yeah, that I can't explain. Maybe they did promise him at 2? Oof.

the workout is supposedly being rescheduled

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[Mecca]

was it orlando that had interest in Mudiay at the deadline (before we traded for him)? Swap him for Shelvin Mack and add pick #36

6 and mack for 9, mudiay, and 36

if it came down to it to swap bamba for trae I would contemplate sending a protected pick to orlando. That is how much I want no part of Trae Young.

There's no way Mudiay and 36 are valuable enough assets to get to pick 6. No way.

its only a few spots and if Orlando is locked in on Trae who knows...

Also a lottery protected 1st would probably be an overpay for moving up 3 spots. So maybe if we were able to work out something in the middle like.

#6, terrence ross, and biyombo for #9, lottery protected 2019 1st rounder, Courtney Lee, and Noah.

That trade does two things. It sheds of lee's 12 million for next year for more room to sign Kyrie/Klay whoever wants to come.

It also gets us Bamba. And just swaps dead weight new scenory contracts in Noah and Bismack (but bismack might have something left in the tank).

Again, in Orlando's perspective, there's no reason to do that deal. I'd rather have Biz than Noah and I'd assume they do as well.

[newyorker4ever]

Long combo forward who can stretch the floor as a legit shooter, score in transition and has the tools to be a plus defender. With his shooting ability and athleticism at his size he can be a nightmare of a cover at both SF and PF. He needs to become a better shot creator and show the willingness to be great but the potential is there.

You could say the same things about Mikal though.

You can’t because it took Mikal 3 years until he was 21 to show the scoring ability that Knox showed at 18 years of age.

Knox is also bigger (in height and in stature) as well as being stronger all while being 3 years younger.

Knox has more potential because he has more time to develop. By the time Knox is 22, then you can compare 22 year old Knox to 22 year old rookie Mikal Bridges.


At the end of the day, you don’t get drafted based on how good you are, you get drafted based on how good you are and how good you can be.

I don't think anyone should question if Knox has a more all around game then Mikal cause he obviously does but the two things that Mikal does well (shooting and defense) is better then any one thing that Knox does, at least right now that is. The question with Knox or the risk with Knox is if he'll become good/great at any of the things he does and right now that can't be said that he can cause we don't know. He didn't play great defense last year and defense is something you're either gonna be good at or not because it's mostly about effort so if the full on effort wasn't there with Knox last year then that would worry me about if it ever will be and defense is something we obviously need. Knox could become great but there's a lot of risk with him and i'm just not sure if we can afford to take risks with not only this draft but next years as well cause the next two lottery picks are HUGE in deciding how quick this rebuild takes.

I'm really liking Miles Bridges because i don't think there's much risk with if he'll at the very least be a good all around player with the chance of him being great at some things and good at all things he does.

[mpharris36]

There's no way Mudiay and 36 are valuable enough assets to get to pick 6. No way.

its only a few spots and if Orlando is locked in on Trae who knows...

Also a lottery protected 1st would probably be an overpay for moving up 3 spots. So maybe if we were able to work out something in the middle like.

#6, terrence ross, and biyombo for #9, lottery protected 2019 1st rounder, Courtney Lee, and Noah.

That trade does two things. It sheds of lee's 12 million for next year for more room to sign Kyrie/Klay whoever wants to come.

It also gets us Bamba. And just swaps dead weight new scenory contracts in Noah and Bismack (but bismack might have something left in the tank).

Again, in Orlando's perspective, there's no reason to do that deal. I'd rather have Biz than Noah and I'd assume they do as well.

if orlando wants no part of bamba there is incentive. A future protected 1st is more then they will get from anyone else and still land there target in trae young.

[dakomish23]

If you could add any 2 guys to flank KP & Frank for the future, who would it be?

Mine is Doncic & Mikal. I would move any player and take on any bad salary to add those two to KP & Frank.

[GONYK]

If you could add any 2 guys to flank KP & Frank for the future, who would it be?

Mine is Doncic & Mikal. I would move any player and take on any bad salary to add those two to KP & Frank.

But would you move future picks?

[Mecca]

its only a few spots and if Orlando is locked in on Trae who knows...

Also a lottery protected 1st would probably be an overpay for moving up 3 spots. So maybe if we were able to work out something in the middle like.

#6, terrence ross, and biyombo for #9, lottery protected 2019 1st rounder, Courtney Lee, and Noah.

That trade does two things. It sheds of lee's 12 million for next year for more room to sign Kyrie/Klay whoever wants to come.

It also gets us Bamba. And just swaps dead weight new scenory contracts in Noah and Bismack (but bismack might have something left in the tank).

Again, in Orlando's perspective, there's no reason to do that deal. I'd rather have Biz than Noah and I'd assume they do as well.

if orlando wants no part of bamba there is incentive. A future protected 1st is more then they will get from anyone else and still land there target in trae young.

Take out the Noah/Biz deal and they'd maybe consider it. Noah is the worst contract in the NBA. You don't trade up and get rid of him simultaneously.

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[alphad0gz]

Bottom line is this. We arent gonna be good this year and will be in the lottery again. You dont want a shane battier imho. You can find 3 and D guys who are 6'6. What is much harder to find is combo forwards with the potential of knox. You draft on potential. Who is going to be better 2-3 years later? If we were a playoff team I understand taking the safe pick. But we are not. I'm ok with mikal, I want to make sure I make that clear. However I perfer a higher upside prospect. Emila okafor and shane battier are nice players, but in the lottery you go for thr guy with the highest upside. At least in my opinion.

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Drafting on potential alone when you need sure talent is a good way to get fired if you are a GM. Anthony Randolph says "hi".

Are you advocating against drafting for potential because of Anthony Randolph?

Are you advocating passing on proven qualities and performance just to instead draft on "potential" ? AR was just an example and there are fools that do this every.single.draft. I bet you buy Lotto tickets, too.......

[newyorker4ever]

If we trade down and get 12 and 13 id be so happy with that.

Lonnie Walker and Miles Bridges would be a sweet get.

Don't know if we'd get Lonnie and Miles at 12 or 13 but there's definitely a good chance that at least one of them will be there if not both, even if only one if there there's still plenty of other intriguing players that will be there for us. I'm all about making that trade depending on who's there at 9 like if someone we didn't expect to be there was then i would just take that player. Unfortunately i don't see J.West trading two lotto picks to move up a few spots for one pick.

[mpharris36]

Again, in Orlando's perspective, there's no reason to do that deal. I'd rather have Biz than Noah and I'd assume they do as well.

if orlando wants no part of bamba there is incentive. A future protected 1st is more then they will get from anyone else and still land there target in trae young.

Take out the Noah/Biz deal and they'd maybe consider it. Noah is the worst contract in the NBA. You don't trade up and get rid of him simultaneously.

fair enough. Remove them

#6 and ross for #9, future lottery protect first, and Lee

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In good help position (even though he'd be two-ning the paint in the NBA there), stops drive down the middle and recovers until the pass, stops the next drive, runs across to get back to his man and does good job forcing into help.

[3toheadmelo]

im on board with taking lonnie at #9

[CDAZ]

Wow, looks like he's really in serious consideration for #9.

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If we're looking at SG's Timmy has to be on his way out

[dakomish23]

If you could add any 2 guys to flank KP & Frank for the future, who would it be?

Mine is Doncic & Mikal. I would move any player and take on any bad salary to add those two to KP & Frank.

But would you move future picks?

Lottery protection?