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Post#141 » by Mr B » Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:50 pm

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Mr B wrote:Apparently the Mavs really loves his workout today. There have been rumors the Mavs are willing to trade down from #5. Also Cuban seems obsessed with competing for a playoff spot this coming season. There have been rumors they are wanting to trade for a vet in order to help get a pick.

Any chance the Mavs could get 7 + 22 from Chicago for 5 and Wes Matthews expiring contract?

Or 8 + Love + future protected pick for 5 and Wes’ expiring?


God damn the cavs get raped in that deal. The 5 pick isnt THAT valuable.


That depends on how bad the Cavs would like to move up.
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Post#142 » by DrazenReznik » Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:54 pm

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Mr B wrote:Apparently the Mavs really loves his workout today. There have been rumors the Mavs are willing to trade down from #5. Also Cuban seems obsessed with competing for a playoff spot this coming season. There have been rumors they are wanting to trade for a vet in order to help get a pick.

Any chance the Mavs could get 7 + 22 from Chicago for 5 and Wes Matthews expiring contract?

Or 8 + Love + future protected pick for 5 and Wes’ expiring?


God damn the cavs get raped in that deal. The 5 pick isnt THAT valuable.


That depends on how bad the Cavs would like to move up.


The Cavs could move higher for that value, to 3 or 4. Dallas would have to throw in an unprotected 2019 1st or top 3 protected 2019 first.
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Re: Wendell Carter 

Post#143 » by Mr B » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:05 pm

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God damn the cavs get raped in that deal. The 5 pick isnt THAT valuable.


That depends on how bad the Cavs would like to move up.


The Cavs could move higher for that value, to 3 or 4. Dallas would have to throw in an unprotected 2019 1st or top 3 protected 2019 first.


That’s not happening. If the Cavs could do that then they should. Dallas would be happy standing pat and just taking the best available big at 5. Dallas doesn’t HAVE to move down. If Carter is the guy the REALLY want they could just take him at 5 or take the best offer to move down. No need for them to include future picks to move down.
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Post#144 » by DrazenReznik » Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:36 am

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That depends on how bad the Cavs would like to move up.


The Cavs could move higher for that value, to 3 or 4. Dallas would have to throw in an unprotected 2019 1st or top 3 protected 2019 first.


That’s not happening. If the Cavs could do that then they should. Dallas would be happy standing pat and just taking the best available big at 5. Dallas doesn’t HAVE to move down. If Carter is the guy the REALLY want they could just take him at 5 or take the best offer to move down. No need for them to include future picks to move down.


It would happen. Dallas can be fine standing pat at 5, thats not going to help them compete for the next 10 years though. You're also just looking at it from the macs perspective, Love becomes their best player the minute he steps on the floor.

Dallas is just in a bad situation where they dont really have alot of talent on the team and not enough FA money to sign good talent, they have to trade picks or hit home runs on alot of draft picks coming up.
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Re: Wendell Carter 

Post#145 » by Mr B » Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:36 pm

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The Cavs could move higher for that value, to 3 or 4. Dallas would have to throw in an unprotected 2019 1st or top 3 protected 2019 first.


That’s not happening. If the Cavs could do that then they should. Dallas would be happy standing pat and just taking the best available big at 5. Dallas doesn’t HAVE to move down. If Carter is the guy the REALLY want they could just take him at 5 or take the best offer to move down. No need for them to include future picks to move down.


It would happen. Dallas can be fine standing pat at 5, thats not going to help them compete for the next 10 years though. You're also just looking at it from the macs perspective, Love becomes their best player the minute he steps on the floor.

Dallas is just in a bad situation where they dont really have alot of talent on the team and not enough FA money to sign good talent, they have to trade picks or hit home runs on alot of draft picks coming up.


Not enough free agency money? They can clear as much as $25 mil this off season by renouncing their cap holds. That’s with Wes Matthews still on the roster this year. Dallas lacks elite talent, they have a better chance finding elite talent in the top 5 of the draft than they do by trading back.
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Re: Wendell Carter 

Post#146 » by Truebiscuit » Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:42 pm

Mr B wrote:
DrazenReznik wrote:
Mr B wrote:
That’s not happening. If the Cavs could do that then they should. Dallas would be happy standing pat and just taking the best available big at 5. Dallas doesn’t HAVE to move down. If Carter is the guy the REALLY want they could just take him at 5 or take the best offer to move down. No need for them to include future picks to move down.


It would happen. Dallas can be fine standing pat at 5, thats not going to help them compete for the next 10 years though. You're also just looking at it from the macs perspective, Love becomes their best player the minute he steps on the floor.

Dallas is just in a bad situation where they dont really have alot of talent on the team and not enough FA money to sign good talent, they have to trade picks or hit home runs on alot of draft picks coming up.


Not enough free agency money? They can clear as much as $25 mil this off season by renouncing their cap holds. That’s with Wes Matthews still on the roster this year. Dallas lacks elite talent, they have a better chance finding elite talent in the top 5 of the draft than they do by trading back.


Would you say Bamba is Dallas' top choice/target, then?
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Re: Wendell Carter 

Post#147 » by Mr B » Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:02 pm

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Mr B wrote:
DrazenReznik wrote:
It would happen. Dallas can be fine standing pat at 5, thats not going to help them compete for the next 10 years though. You're also just looking at it from the macs perspective, Love becomes their best player the minute he steps on the floor.

Dallas is just in a bad situation where they dont really have alot of talent on the team and not enough FA money to sign good talent, they have to trade picks or hit home runs on alot of draft picks coming up.


Not enough free agency money? They can clear as much as $25 mil this off season by renouncing their cap holds. That’s with Wes Matthews still on the roster this year. Dallas lacks elite talent, they have a better chance finding elite talent in the top 5 of the draft than they do by trading back.


Would you say Bamba is Dallas' top choice/target, then?


Hard to say. I do know that they really like him but personally I think Atl takes him at 3. They have a workout scheduled with Jackson today and I expect they will also really like him. They were really impressed with Carter’s workout yesterday. I believe those are/will be the their top choices. One of them will be there at 5, but no guarantees any of them will be there at 8. Carter could easily go at 7 to the Bulls.
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Re: Wendell Carter 

Post#148 » by NewEra21 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:15 pm

Mr B wrote:
Truebiscuit wrote:
Mr B wrote:
Not enough free agency money? They can clear as much as $25 mil this off season by renouncing their cap holds. That’s with Wes Matthews still on the roster this year. Dallas lacks elite talent, they have a better chance finding elite talent in the top 5 of the draft than they do by trading back.


Would you say Bamba is Dallas' top choice/target, then?


Hard to say. I do know that they really like him but personally I think Atl takes him at 3. They have a workout scheduled with Jackson today and I expect they will also really like him. They were really impressed with Carter’s workout yesterday. I believe those are/will be the their top choices. One of them will be there at 5, but no guarantees any of them will be there at 8. Carter could easily go at 7 to the Bulls.

And the Bulls are reported to like Carter Jr as well. As much as Mavs dont have the need to move down the Bulls dont necessarily have the need to move up. I could see either adding #22 or taking on Matthews contract to move up #5 to ensure they get the guy they like more, but not both.
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Re: Wendell Carter 

Post#149 » by LivingLegend » Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:35 pm

Mr B wrote:
DrazenReznik wrote:
Mr B wrote:
That depends on how bad the Cavs would like to move up.


The Cavs could move higher for that value, to 3 or 4. Dallas would have to throw in an unprotected 2019 1st or top 3 protected 2019 first.


That’s not happening. If the Cavs could do that then they should. Dallas would be happy standing pat and just taking the best available big at 5. Dallas doesn’t HAVE to move down. If Carter is the guy the REALLY want they could just take him at 5 or take the best offer to move down. No need for them to include future picks to move down.


I have a feeling and is my bold prediction that the Cavs will trade Love on draft night for another top 7 pick.

I dont view Carter nearly as high as some to go top 5. I think he is a Derek Favors doppelganger. A player that will have a solid career as a guy who can do a little of everything, but nothing at an elite level in the NBA. I would much rather roll the dice on Bridges from Nova who looks like he could be a PG13 type of player in his career or even Colin Sexton.

Either way, I think the Cavs start the rebuild surprisingly on draft night and concede LeBron is gone. Dumping their assets to aquire 2 top 8 picks keeping their own and selecting 2 good players to build around. I think the best outcome for them at this point is to move forward with a young core of Colin Sexton, Rodney Hood, Mikal Bridges, Larry Nance Jr, ect.
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Re: Wendell Carter 

Post#150 » by Mr B » Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:04 pm

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Mr B wrote:
DrazenReznik wrote:
The Cavs could move higher for that value, to 3 or 4. Dallas would have to throw in an unprotected 2019 1st or top 3 protected 2019 first.


That’s not happening. If the Cavs could do that then they should. Dallas would be happy standing pat and just taking the best available big at 5. Dallas doesn’t HAVE to move down. If Carter is the guy the REALLY want they could just take him at 5 or take the best offer to move down. No need for them to include future picks to move down.


I have a feeling and is my bold prediction that the Cavs will trade Love on draft night for another top 7 pick.

I dont view Carter nearly as high as some to go top 5. I think he is a Derek Favors doppelganger. A player that will have a solid career as a guy who can do a little of everything, but nothing at an elite level in the NBA. I would much rather roll the dice on Bridges from Nova who looks like he could be a PG13 type of player in his career or even Colin Sexton.

Either way, I think the Cavs start the rebuild surprisingly on draft night and concede LeBron is gone. Dumping their assets to aquire 2 top 8 picks keeping their own and selecting 2 good players to build around. I think the best outcome for them at this point is to move forward with a young core of Colin Sexton, Rodney Hood, Mikal Bridges, Larry Nance Jr, ect.


If the Mavs are able to land another top 10 pick Mikal Bridges is a guy id like them to take. He’d be perfect in the lineup next to DSJ.
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Re: Wendell Carter 

Post#151 » by clyde21 » Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:35 pm

LivingLegend wrote:
Mr B wrote:
DrazenReznik wrote:
The Cavs could move higher for that value, to 3 or 4. Dallas would have to throw in an unprotected 2019 1st or top 3 protected 2019 first.


That’s not happening. If the Cavs could do that then they should. Dallas would be happy standing pat and just taking the best available big at 5. Dallas doesn’t HAVE to move down. If Carter is the guy the REALLY want they could just take him at 5 or take the best offer to move down. No need for them to include future picks to move down.


I have a feeling and is my bold prediction that the Cavs will trade Love on draft night for another top 7 pick.

I dont view Carter nearly as high as some to go top 5. I think he is a Derek Favors doppelganger. A player that will have a solid career as a guy who can do a little of everything, but nothing at an elite level in the NBA. I would much rather roll the dice on Bridges from Nova who looks like he could be a PG13 type of player in his career or even Colin Sexton.

Either way, I think the Cavs start the rebuild surprisingly on draft night and concede LeBron is gone. Dumping their assets to aquire 2 top 8 picks keeping their own and selecting 2 good players to build around. I think the best outcome for them at this point is to move forward with a young core of Colin Sexton, Rodney Hood, Mikal Bridges, Larry Nance Jr, ect.


I like Love but I don't think he's worth a top 6 pick in a draft like this.
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Post#152 » by LivingLegend » Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:51 pm

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LivingLegend wrote:
Mr B wrote:
That’s not happening. If the Cavs could do that then they should. Dallas would be happy standing pat and just taking the best available big at 5. Dallas doesn’t HAVE to move down. If Carter is the guy the REALLY want they could just take him at 5 or take the best offer to move down. No need for them to include future picks to move down.


I have a feeling and is my bold prediction that the Cavs will trade Love on draft night for another top 7 pick.

I dont view Carter nearly as high as some to go top 5. I think he is a Derek Favors doppelganger. A player that will have a solid career as a guy who can do a little of everything, but nothing at an elite level in the NBA. I would much rather roll the dice on Bridges from Nova who looks like he could be a PG13 type of player in his career or even Colin Sexton.

Either way, I think the Cavs start the rebuild surprisingly on draft night and concede LeBron is gone. Dumping their assets to aquire 2 top 8 picks keeping their own and selecting 2 good players to build around. I think the best outcome for them at this point is to move forward with a young core of Colin Sexton, Rodney Hood, Mikal Bridges, Larry Nance Jr, ect.


I like Love but I don't think he's worth a top 6 pick in a draft like this.


You dont think a 20/10 player who is a 5x All-Star in his prime that is one of the better 3pt shooters in the league is worth a top 8 lottery pick? I think team like Dallas would love to have him to pair with DSJ if their 'guy' is gone in the top 4.

Mark Cuban is not a guy who likes to sit around and wait and having DSJ/Love could potentially lead to more future returns since they are in a big market.
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Post#153 » by clyde21 » Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:56 pm

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clyde21 wrote:
LivingLegend wrote:
I have a feeling and is my bold prediction that the Cavs will trade Love on draft night for another top 7 pick.

I dont view Carter nearly as high as some to go top 5. I think he is a Derek Favors doppelganger. A player that will have a solid career as a guy who can do a little of everything, but nothing at an elite level in the NBA. I would much rather roll the dice on Bridges from Nova who looks like he could be a PG13 type of player in his career or even Colin Sexton.

Either way, I think the Cavs start the rebuild surprisingly on draft night and concede LeBron is gone. Dumping their assets to aquire 2 top 8 picks keeping their own and selecting 2 good players to build around. I think the best outcome for them at this point is to move forward with a young core of Colin Sexton, Rodney Hood, Mikal Bridges, Larry Nance Jr, ect.


I like Love but I don't think he's worth a top 6 pick in a draft like this.


You dont think a 20/10 player who is a 5x All-Star in his prime that is one of the better 3pt shooters in the league is worth a top 8 lottery pick? I think team like Dallas would love to have him to pair with DSJ if their 'guy' is gone in the top 4.

Mark Cuban is not a guy who likes to sit around and wait and having DSJ/Love could potentially lead to more future returns since they are in a big market.


No, I don't think Love, who's about to be 30 and is oft-injured, is worth a top pick in this draft.

I think Cleveland's best bet is a in a swap for a player like C.J. McCollum.
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Post#154 » by BoogieTime » Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:58 pm

LivingLegend wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
LivingLegend wrote:
I have a feeling and is my bold prediction that the Cavs will trade Love on draft night for another top 7 pick.

I dont view Carter nearly as high as some to go top 5. I think he is a Derek Favors doppelganger. A player that will have a solid career as a guy who can do a little of everything, but nothing at an elite level in the NBA. I would much rather roll the dice on Bridges from Nova who looks like he could be a PG13 type of player in his career or even Colin Sexton.

Either way, I think the Cavs start the rebuild surprisingly on draft night and concede LeBron is gone. Dumping their assets to aquire 2 top 8 picks keeping their own and selecting 2 good players to build around. I think the best outcome for them at this point is to move forward with a young core of Colin Sexton, Rodney Hood, Mikal Bridges, Larry Nance Jr, ect.


I like Love but I don't think he's worth a top 6 pick in a draft like this.


You dont think a 20/10 player who is a 5x All-Star in his prime that is one of the better 3pt shooters in the league is worth a top 8 lottery pick? I think team like Dallas would love to have him to pair with DSJ if their 'guy' is gone in the top 4.

Mark Cuban is not a guy who likes to sit around and wait and having DSJ/Love could potentially lead to more future returns since they are in a big market.


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Post#155 » by clyde21 » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:00 pm

Yhea, there's no way Cuban is passing up the opportunity to draft guys like Bamba and Porter Jr. for a 30 year-old crippled Love. Come on.
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Post#156 » by Chi town » Sun Jun 17, 2018 2:06 am

Love is worth a late 1st. Age and injury.
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Post#157 » by BostonCouchGM » Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:05 am

LivingLegend wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
LivingLegend wrote:
I have a feeling and is my bold prediction that the Cavs will trade Love on draft night for another top 7 pick.

I dont view Carter nearly as high as some to go top 5. I think he is a Derek Favors doppelganger. A player that will have a solid career as a guy who can do a little of everything, but nothing at an elite level in the NBA. I would much rather roll the dice on Bridges from Nova who looks like he could be a PG13 type of player in his career or even Colin Sexton.

Either way, I think the Cavs start the rebuild surprisingly on draft night and concede LeBron is gone. Dumping their assets to aquire 2 top 8 picks keeping their own and selecting 2 good players to build around. I think the best outcome for them at this point is to move forward with a young core of Colin Sexton, Rodney Hood, Mikal Bridges, Larry Nance Jr, ect.


I like Love but I don't think he's worth a top 6 pick in a draft like this.


You dont think a 20/10 player who is a 5x All-Star in his prime that is one of the better 3pt shooters in the league is worth a top 8 lottery pick? I think team like Dallas would love to have him to pair with DSJ if their 'guy' is gone in the top 4.

Mark Cuban is not a guy who likes to sit around and wait and having DSJ/Love could potentially lead to more future returns since they are in a big market.


he's had a lot of mileage and injuries since those 20-10 days. I know he could produce that if he went to Dallas no problem. But so can't the bigs in the lottery and they're cheap and under control for several years. A team with multiple picks might throw a pick their way, like the Clippers, Bulls and Suns or even the Wizards at #15 who are trying to win now and have bad contracts to send back
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Re: Wendell Carter 

Post#158 » by cedric76 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:23 pm

I think Carter will be drafted by orlando if JJJ and Bamba r gone
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Post#159 » by Baseline Runner » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:02 am

Chi town wrote:Love is worth a late 1st. Age and injury.


BS, you are aware half to 2/3s of the draft picks in the top 10 will either be a bust or have mediocre careers. Draft picks are so overrated.
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Re: Wendell Carter 

Post#160 » by Baseline Runner » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:02 am

Carter is intriguing to me because he is a PF with strong rim protection skills. There haven't been many of those in the NBA lately.

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