Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXV

[Ruzious]

...All rookie PGs struggle with efficiency, it’s just how it is...

Wall: .494
Fultz: .416
Smith Jr: .473
Ntilikina: .437
Fox: .478
Dunn: .432
Murray: .503
Ball: .444...

Ben Simmons: .557
Donovan Mitchell: .541
Josh Hart: .596 (he's a 2, I know... )

Both Mitchell and Hart aren't PG's. Simmons... yeah, though it's a stretch - like Paul Pressey, Sr back in the day with MIlwaukee - more like a point forward - not to mention Giannis and that Lebron guy. Freekazoids tend to be exceptions.

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...All rookie PGs struggle with efficiency, it’s just how it is...

Wall: .494
Fultz: .416
Smith Jr: .473
Ntilikina: .437
Fox: .478
Dunn: .432
Murray: .503
Ball: .444...

Ben Simmons: .557
Donovan Mitchell: .541
Josh Hart: .596 (he's a 2, I know... )

Both Mitchell and Hart aren't PG's. Simmons... yeah, though it's a stretch - like Paul Pressey, Sr back in the day with MIlwaukee - more like a point forward - not to mention Giannis and that Lebron guy. Freekazoids tend to be exceptions.

I know.... Just kicking the can down the road a little.

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Here's an off-beat trade idea. Not sure I'm recommending it, but I'd love some reactions.

Philadelphia Out, Wizards In: #26, #38, Holmes (1y, 1.6m)
Philadelphia In, Wizards Out: #15, Mahinmi (2y, 31.4m)

Why for Philly: gets another lottery pick to package with #10 to move up for Jaren Jackson or Luka Doncic, while they retain sufficient flexibility next off-season to go after Kawhi.

Why for Wizards: Get rid of Mahinmi's boat anchor contract, & get out of the luxury tax. Get 3 young players for 1 in a deep draft. Cost is moving back 11 spots in R1.

Is this an equitable trade? Philly gets enough out of the deal to be interested? How about the Wizards? If Philly is giving too much for the benefit they receive, it would be hard to make the deal fairer. If we are, then it could be made fairer by Philly including another R2 pick.

Thoughts?

[Error Afflalo]

Here's an off-beat trade idea. Not sure I'm recommending it, but I'd love some reactions.

Philadelphia Out, Wizards In: #26, #38, Holmes (1y, 1.6m)
Philadelphia In, Wizards Out: #15, Mahinmi (2y, 31.4m)

Why for Philly: gets another lottery pick to package with #10 to move up for Jaren Jackson or Luka Doncic, while they retain sufficient flexibility next off-season to go after Kawhi.

Why for Wizards: Get rid of Mahinmi's boat anchor contract, & get out of the luxury tax. Get 3 young players for 1 in a deep draft. Cost is moving back 11 spots in R1.

Is this an equitable trade? Philly gets enough out of the deal to be interested? How about the Wizards? If Philly is giving too much for the benefit they receive, it would be hard to make the deal fairer. If we are, then it could be made fairer by Philly including another R2 pick.

Thoughts?

Philly isn't punting on shot at Lebron or PG and taking on Mahinmi for #15. Even if they weren't a contender it's probably still a bit much for them to give up. Holmes is a nice player.

[payitforward]

Here's an off-beat trade idea. Not sure I'm recommending it, but I'd love some reactions.

Philadelphia Out, Wizards In: #26, #38, Holmes (1y, 1.6m)
Philadelphia In, Wizards Out: #15, Mahinmi (2y, 31.4m)

Why for Philly: gets another lottery pick to package with #10 to move up for Jaren Jackson or Luka Doncic, while they retain sufficient flexibility next off-season to go after Kawhi.

Why for Wizards: Get rid of Mahinmi's boat anchor contract, & get out of the luxury tax. Get 3 young players for 1 in a deep draft. Cost is moving back 11 spots in R1.

Is this an equitable trade? Philly gets enough out of the deal to be interested? How about the Wizards? If Philly is giving too much for the benefit they receive, it would be hard to make the deal fairer. If we are, then it could be made fairer by Philly including another R2 pick.

Thoughts?

Philly isn't punting on shot at Lebron or PG and taking on Mahinmi for #15. Even if they weren't a contender it's probably still a bit much for them to give up. Holmes is a nice player.

I floated this on the Sixers board too. Response was that the value proposition was fine, but they didn't think the Sixers would take on anything but 1-year salary loads.

They don't seem focused on Lebron (who anyway isn't going to go to Philly) but rather are thinking about going after Kawhi -- next Summer.

[The Consiglieri]

Caps win has me unhappy with mediocrity.

Lets blow this thing up lol

Lol, I have the opposite itch impacting me, sort of. I screamed bloody murder for us to trade Ovy after the 2015-2017 "all in" caps debacle, so of course, with the pressure and expectations totally lifted for the first time ever, they suddenly became world beaters. There might be a lesson in this, but I'm not actually buying. There's no chance at competing for a title as we are constructed. I would blow it up w/o a second thought if I thought I could get good enough assets in this Draft and the next quality draft and/or elite young prospects.

There's literally no chance to compete for us going forward, as such, I don't see the point in going forward w/a roster that couldn't compete when the competition was lesser to begin with.

[pcbothwel]

Here's an off-beat trade idea. Not sure I'm recommending it, but I'd love some reactions.

Philadelphia Out, Wizards In: #26, #38, Holmes (1y, 1.6m)
Philadelphia In, Wizards Out: #15, Mahinmi (2y, 31.4m)

Why for Philly: gets another lottery pick to package with #10 to move up for Jaren Jackson or Luka Doncic, while they retain sufficient flexibility next off-season to go after Kawhi.

Why for Wizards: Get rid of Mahinmi's boat anchor contract, & get out of the luxury tax. Get 3 young players for 1 in a deep draft. Cost is moving back 11 spots in R1.

Is this an equitable trade? Philly gets enough out of the deal to be interested? How about the Wizards? If Philly is giving too much for the benefit they receive, it would be hard to make the deal fairer. If we are, then it could be made fairer by Philly including another R2 pick.

Thoughts?

Philly isn't punting on shot at Lebron or PG and taking on Mahinmi for #15. Even if they weren't a contender it's probably still a bit much for them to give up. Holmes is a nice player.

I floated this on the Sixers board too. Response was that the value proposition was fine, but they didn't think the Sixers would take on anything but 1-year salary loads.

They don't seem focused on Lebron (who anyway isn't going to go to Philly) but rather are thinking about going after Kawhi -- next Summer.

Maybe some posters do, but I cant see management punting on the chance for Lebron or PG13. Also, If Kawhi extends it appears only Butler, Klay and Kyrie will be major FA's... and I wouldnt be shocked if Klay gets locked up before that. Kyrie probably doesnt go to Lebron 2.0 in Ben Simmons, so its really a 30 y/o Jimmy Butler.... esshhh

There is ATL, Dallas, and Chicago. But Chicago probably wants max space next summer and Dallas probably wants to take a shot at Cousins this summer. So predraft trade for Gortat or Mahinmi... probably just ATL

[dangermouse]

Grizz looking to move Chandler with the #4 pick just to free up space

What are they thinking? This is Grunfeldian.

[NatP4]

Parsons+4 for Gortat+Morris+Smith+15

Take Jaren Jackson

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...There's no chance at competing for a title as we are constructed. I would blow it up w/o a second thought if I thought I could get good enough assets in this Draft and the next quality draft and/or elite young prospects.

There's literally no chance to compete for us going forward, as such, I don't see the point in going forward w/a roster that couldn't compete when the competition was lesser to begin with.

But, given your 2d paragraph, why wouldn't you "blow it up" even if we can't rebuild quickly? We can certainly rebuild over time -- any team can. Given a good GM instead of Ernie, of course.

[dckingsfan]

Grizz looking to move Chandler with the #4 pick just to free up space

What are they thinking? This is Grunfeldian.

Wow - link?

[Ruzious]

Grizz looking to move Chandler with the #4 pick just to free up space

What are they thinking? This is Grunfeldian.

Wow - link?

They were talking about that on ESPN this morning. Can you imagine - trading away Jaren Jackson or Luca Doncic just to get rid of Chandler's contract? And then watch Chandler make a big comeback.

[gravytrain24]

Grizz looking to move Chandler with the #4 pick just to free up space

What are they thinking? This is Grunfeldian.

Wow - link?

They were talking about that on ESPN this morning. Can you imagine - trading away Jaren Jackson or Luca Doncic just to get rid of Chandler's contract? And then watch Chandler make a big comeback.

What's left on Chandler's deal?

[dckingsfan]

Grizz looking to move Chandler with the #4 pick just to free up space

What are they thinking? This is Grunfeldian.

Wow - link?

They were talking about that on ESPN this morning. Can you imagine - trading away Jaren Jackson or Luca Doncic just to get rid of Chandler's contract? And then watch Chandler make a big comeback.

Yikes - that would be pretty silly. Damn, wish we had cap space.

[Ruzious]

Here's an off-beat trade idea. Not sure I'm recommending it, but I'd love some reactions.

Philadelphia Out, Wizards In: #26, #38, Holmes (1y, 1.6m)
Philadelphia In, Wizards Out: #15, Mahinmi (2y, 31.4m)

Why for Philly: gets another lottery pick to package with #10 to move up for Jaren Jackson or Luka Doncic, while they retain sufficient flexibility next off-season to go after Kawhi.

Why for Wizards: Get rid of Mahinmi's boat anchor contract, & get out of the luxury tax. Get 3 young players for 1 in a deep draft. Cost is moving back 11 spots in R1.

Is this an equitable trade? Philly gets enough out of the deal to be interested? How about the Wizards? If Philly is giving too much for the benefit they receive, it would be hard to make the deal fairer. If we are, then it could be made fairer by Philly including another R2 pick.

Thoughts?

I think it makes a lot of sense for both teams - if Philly is looking to move up for a specific player that would give them enough motivation to accept taking on Mahinmi's contract. It all depends on how motivated Philly is to trade up. Well done, sir.

[dckingsfan]

Wow - link?

They were talking about that on ESPN this morning. Can you imagine - trading away Jaren Jackson or Luca Doncic just to get rid of Chandler's contract? And then watch Chandler make a big comeback.

What's left on Chandler's deal?

$24,107,258 and $25,102,511 for the next two years.

[gravytrain24]

They were talking about that on ESPN this morning. Can you imagine - trading away Jaren Jackson or Luca Doncic just to get rid of Chandler's contract? And then watch Chandler make a big comeback.

What's left on Chandler's deal?

$24,107,258 and $25,102,511 for the next two years.

Yikes....

[Error Afflalo]

Here's an off-beat trade idea. Not sure I'm recommending it, but I'd love some reactions.

Philadelphia Out, Wizards In: #26, #38, Holmes (1y, 1.6m)
Philadelphia In, Wizards Out: #15, Mahinmi (2y, 31.4m)

Why for Philly: gets another lottery pick to package with #10 to move up for Jaren Jackson or Luka Doncic, while they retain sufficient flexibility next off-season to go after Kawhi.

Why for Wizards: Get rid of Mahinmi's boat anchor contract, & get out of the luxury tax. Get 3 young players for 1 in a deep draft. Cost is moving back 11 spots in R1.

Is this an equitable trade? Philly gets enough out of the deal to be interested? How about the Wizards? If Philly is giving too much for the benefit they receive, it would be hard to make the deal fairer. If we are, then it could be made fairer by Philly including another R2 pick.

Thoughts?

I think it makes a lot of sense for both teams - if Philly is looking to move up for a specific player that would give them enough motivation to accept taking on Mahinmi's contract. It all depends on how motivated Philly is to trade up. Well done, sir.

I don't think it makes sense for Philly at all. They'd take themselves out of the Lebron sweepstakes with that move, not to mention Holmes is younger and more useful than Mahinmi while making 1/12th of his salary.

Embiid's max extension kicks in next season. Surely no GM would be dumb enough to pay two centers who can't play together eight figures, right? Oh wait...

[Error Afflalo]

Parsons+4 for Gortat+Morris+Smith+15

Take Jaren Jackson

Interesting. All expiring deals, but is it worth dropping 11 spots in this draft to get out of the last year of Parsons' deal? I'd do it in a minute, but I don't think they would. I bet they wouldn't settle for less than Beal or Otto.

[Ruzious]

Here's an off-beat trade idea. Not sure I'm recommending it, but I'd love some reactions.

Philadelphia Out, Wizards In: #26, #38, Holmes (1y, 1.6m)
Philadelphia In, Wizards Out: #15, Mahinmi (2y, 31.4m)

Why for Philly: gets another lottery pick to package with #10 to move up for Jaren Jackson or Luka Doncic, while they retain sufficient flexibility next off-season to go after Kawhi.

Why for Wizards: Get rid of Mahinmi's boat anchor contract, & get out of the luxury tax. Get 3 young players for 1 in a deep draft. Cost is moving back 11 spots in R1.

Is this an equitable trade? Philly gets enough out of the deal to be interested? How about the Wizards? If Philly is giving too much for the benefit they receive, it would be hard to make the deal fairer. If we are, then it could be made fairer by Philly including another R2 pick.

Thoughts?

I think it makes a lot of sense for both teams - if Philly is looking to move up for a specific player that would give them enough motivation to accept taking on Mahinmi's contract. It all depends on how motivated Philly is to trade up. Well done, sir.

I don't think it makes sense for Philly at all. They'd take themselves out of the Lebron sweepstakes with that move, not to mention Holmes is younger and more useful than Mahinmi while making 1/12th of his salary.

Embiid's max extension kicks in next season. Surely no GM would be dumb enough to pay two centers who can't play together eight figures, right? Oh wait...

There was a discussion in one of these threads on whether it makes sense for Lebron to go to Philly, and I think the majority felt it made zero sense mainly because it would severely diminish Simmons' role - not to mention Embiid's. As much as Lebron has improved as a 3 point shooter, all 3 of them are best around the hoop. The middle's gonna get clogged.