Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXV

[DCZards]

Parsons+4 for Gortat+Morris+Smith+15

Take Jaren Jackson

Interesting. All expiring deals, but is it worth dropping 11 spots in this draft to get out of the last year of Parsons' deal? I'd do it in a minute, but I don't think they would. I bet they wouldn't settle for less than Beal or Otto.

Yeah...the Grizz's might be eager to unload Parsons and his contract but I don't think there's any way they give up the 4th pick without demanding a star player in return.

[Error Afflalo]

There was a discussion in one of these threads on whether it makes sense for Lebron to go to Philly, and I think the majority felt it made zero sense because it would severely diminish Simmons' role.

It's definitely an awkward fit, but you don't pass on a chance to get Lebron. It's probably the only move that catapults them above Boston in the east for the next 2-3 years, and it doesn't cost them a piece of their young core. It's a no-brainer imo.

For what it's worth, I don't think Lebron will go there because he'd have to adjust his game so much. Lebron loves handling the ball and running spread pick and rolls with 4 shooters out there, and he's damn good at it. He can't really do that in Philly. But hey, if he wants in, you get him and figure it out later.

[NatP4]

Parsons+4 for Gortat+Morris+Smith+15

Take Jaren Jackson

Interesting. All expiring deals, but is it worth dropping 11 spots in this draft to get out of the last year of Parsons' deal? I'd do it in a minute, but I don't think they would. I bet they wouldn't settle for less than Beal or Otto.

Would we drop 11 spots to get out of Mahinmi deal? I think PIF posted a deal that was exactly that

[NatP4]

Parsons+4 for Gortat+Morris+Smith+15

Take Jaren Jackson

Interesting. All expiring deals, but is it worth dropping 11 spots in this draft to get out of the last year of Parsons' deal? I'd do it in a minute, but I don't think they would. I bet they wouldn't settle for less than Beal or Otto.

Yeah...the Grizz's might be eager to unload Parsons and his contract but I don't think there's any way they give up the 4th pick without demanding a star player in return.

There is a way...by including Parsons contract in the deal.

[Ruzious]

There was a discussion in one of these threads on whether it makes sense for Lebron to go to Philly, and I think the majority felt it made zero sense because it would severely diminish Simmons' role.

It's definitely an awkward fit, but you don't pass on a chance to get Lebron. It's probably the only move that catapults them above Boston in the east for the next 2-3 years, and it doesn't cost them a piece of their young core. It's a no-brainer imo.

For what it's worth, I don't think Lebron will go there because he'd have to adjust his game so much. Lebron loves handling the ball and running spread pick and rolls with 4 shooters out there, and he's damn good at it. He can't really do that in Philly. But hey, if he wants in, you get him and figure it out later.

Gotta figure they're in it for the next decade rather than just the next 2 years. If they can add a top 6 pick from this draft, it might make an enourmous difference in their drive to become a dominant franchise for the long-term.

[Error Afflalo]

Parsons+4 for Gortat+Morris+Smith+15

Take Jaren Jackson

Interesting. All expiring deals, but is it worth dropping 11 spots in this draft to get out of the last year of Parsons' deal? I'd do it in a minute, but I don't think they would. I bet they wouldn't settle for less than Beal or Otto.

Would we drop 11 spots to get out of Mahinmi deal? I think PIF posted a deal that was exactly that

Dropping 11 spots from 4 to 15 is much different than 15 to 26. Memphis would be passing on a chance to get a franchise-changing player at 4, which isn't the case for us. Also, even with Parsons, Memphis's cap situation isn't nearly as bad as ours. I honestly have no idea why Memphis is considering attaching 4 to dump Parsons. It's idiotic.

[Ruzious]

Parsons+4 for Gortat+Morris+Smith+15

Take Jaren Jackson

Interesting. All expiring deals, but is it worth dropping 11 spots in this draft to get out of the last year of Parsons' deal? I'd do it in a minute, but I don't think they would. I bet they wouldn't settle for less than Beal or Otto.

Would we drop 11 spots to get out of Mahinmi deal? I think PIF posted a deal that was exactly that

Gotta consider that the lux tax savings would be more than the 32 mil in salaries that Mahinmi's going to get. Also, PIF's trade included us getting Holmes and a high 2nd rounder.

[NatP4]

It is completely idiotic, but thats what the report says.

I would strongly consider moving Beal for Parsons+4, ESPECIALLY if the mocks are giving me correct information, with Jackson/Doncic available at 4 and Zhaire Smith available at 15. Flexibility to maybe even take Doncic+Robert Williams instead.

maybe Parsons comes back and becomes a useful player again, thats another shooter for John Wall.

We would have only Wall's contract on the books in 2020-2021+a Jackson or Doncic rookie deal

Wall Sato
Smith (sign someone here?)
Oubre Parsons
Porter (Gary Clark?)
Jackson Mahinmi

The reports are a cap dump type of move though, not a player for player type of deal..

[Error Afflalo]

There was a discussion in one of these threads on whether it makes sense for Lebron to go to Philly, and I think the majority felt it made zero sense because it would severely diminish Simmons' role.

It's definitely an awkward fit, but you don't pass on a chance to get Lebron. It's probably the only move that catapults them above Boston in the east for the next 2-3 years, and it doesn't cost them a piece of their young core. It's a no-brainer imo.

For what it's worth, I don't think Lebron will go there because he'd have to adjust his game so much. Lebron loves handling the ball and running spread pick and rolls with 4 shooters out there, and he's damn good at it. He can't really do that in Philly. But hey, if he wants in, you get him and figure it out later.

Gotta figure they're in it for the next decade rather than just the next 2 years. If they can add a top 6 pick from this draft, it might make an enourmous difference in their drive to become a dominant franchise for the long-term.

They wouldn't be sacrificing anything but cap space to get Lebron, though. They'd still be set up for dominance in the long-term while being dominant in the short-term.

Say Lebron doesn't go to LA or Philly. If you're Paul George, is there a more perfect basketball fit than Philly? He's 28, so he fits the timeline better. He won't take the ball out of Simmons' hands, is an an elite defender, and can still be the go-to guy late in games. It doesn't get much better than that.

[Error Afflalo]

It is completely idiotic, but thats what the report says.

I would strongly consider moving Beal for Parsons+4, ESPECIALLY if the mocks are giving me correct information, with Jackson/Doncic available at 4 and Zhaire Smith available at 15.

maybe Parsons comes back and becomes a useful player again, thats another shooter for John Wall.

We would have only Wall's contract on the books in 2020-2021+a Jackson or Doncic rookie deal

Wall Sato
Smith (sign someone here?)
Oubre Parsons
Porter (Gary Clark?)
Jackson Mahinmi

The reports are a cap dump type of move though, not a player for player type of deal..

I would too.

[Dat2U]

Interesting. All expiring deals, but is it worth dropping 11 spots in this draft to get out of the last year of Parsons' deal? I'd do it in a minute, but I don't think they would. I bet they wouldn't settle for less than Beal or Otto.

Yeah...the Grizz's might be eager to unload Parsons and his contract but I don't think there's any way they give up the 4th pick without demanding a star player in return.

There is a way...by including Parsons contract in the deal.

I think the Grizz want a GOOD veteran out of dumping Parsons with the 4th pick.

I suggested Otto for Parsons & the 4th, I think that's the best type of deal Memphis can expect if they are intent on using the 4th to rid of Parsons contract. Getting a good starter in return (but not a guy that's considered a star).

The Wizards do it because we'll possibly lose Otto in 2 years anyways if he opts out. Plus it helps our salary structure in two years once Parsons' deal expires.

[Dat2U]

I would be hesitant to move Beal... too much untapped potential there. He's got another level he hasn't quite unlocked yet and we have him for certain for the next 3 years.

[NatP4]

I would be hesitant to move Beal... too much untapped potential there. He's got another level he hasn't quite unlocked yet and we have him for certain for the next 3 years.

but what about Otto's defense and ability to play the 4? The approach should always be BPA of course, but say you trade Otto and take Jackson Jr, who are we taking at 15 that can replace what Otto brings? what is the long term solution at PF/SF?

are you going with Smith at the 3 and Jackson Jr at the 4? Satoransky probably can't play the 4, Smith probably can't either. (in spurts of course)

Beal might be the better player, but Otto is far more valuable to our team potential IMO. You'd be saying goodbye to those small ball lineups that dominated for two years straight now. Otto+Jackson is the best frontcourt in the NBA at some point. Obviously, Otto also has another level that has yet to be unlocked as well

[Ruzious]

It's definitely an awkward fit, but you don't pass on a chance to get Lebron. It's probably the only move that catapults them above Boston in the east for the next 2-3 years, and it doesn't cost them a piece of their young core. It's a no-brainer imo.

For what it's worth, I don't think Lebron will go there because he'd have to adjust his game so much. Lebron loves handling the ball and running spread pick and rolls with 4 shooters out there, and he's damn good at it. He can't really do that in Philly. But hey, if he wants in, you get him and figure it out later.

Gotta figure they're in it for the next decade rather than just the next 2 years. If they can add a top 6 pick from this draft, it might make an enourmous difference in their drive to become a dominant franchise for the long-term.

They wouldn't be sacrificing anything but cap space to get Lebron, though. They'd still be set up for dominance in the long-term while being dominant in the short-term.

Say Lebron doesn't go to LA or Philly. If you're Paul George, is there a more perfect basketball fit than Philly? He's 28, so he fits the timeline better. He won't take the ball out of Simmons' hands, is an an elite defender, and can still be the go-to guy late in games. It doesn't get much better than that.

Anything's possible, but I think it's more likely that George goes to the Lakers with Lebron.

[Dat2U]

I would be hesitant to move Beal... too much untapped potential there. He's got another level he hasn't quite unlocked yet and we have him for certain for the next 3 years.

but what about Otto's defense and ability to play the 4? The approach should always be BPA of course, but say you trade Otto and take Jackson Jr, who are we taking at 15 that can replace what Otto brings? what is the long term solution at PF/SF?

are you going with Smith at the 3 and Jackson Jr at the 4? Satoransky probably can't play the 4, Smith probably can't either.

Beal might be the better player, but Otto is far more valuable to our team potential IMO. You'd be saying goodbye to those small ball lineups that dominated for two years straight now. Otto+Jackson is the best frontcourt in the NBA at some point.

If were going to get the 4th pick in a very strong top of the draft, we'd likely have to sacrifice Beal or Porter - expirings won't get it done. In the short term, losing Otto hurts but this move is taking a short term step back to create flexibility and possibly have a higher ceiling in a few years.

Jackson Jr is also probably best suited to play PF at least initially until he gets stronger - maybe the first two seasons or so. He's athletic enough to switch everything and has a developing face up game. Obviously we need to find another 4 or 5 in the short term. Also we'd still have Markieff on the roster but I like the 26th or 38/39 deal with Philly.

Wall / J. Carter (R)
Beal / Z. Smith (R) / Meeks
Oubre Jr / Satoransky
J. Jackson Jr. (R) / Clark (R)
Gortat / Mahinmi / Smith / Wagner (R)

[NatP4]

I’m dumb, I totally forgot about Oubre. We’d probably be fine sliding him up to the 4 when you downshift late in games. Doesn’t provide the team defense that Otto can at that spot, but still a similar functional effect+rebounding.

Also forgot about adding a guy like Gary Clark, who can probably start right away at PF and be a plus player.

Fair enough

[NatP4]

annnnnnnd Kawhi wants out of San Antonio. What is our trade package?

[Dark Faze]

I'd honestly be tempted to trade everybody, Wall, Beal, AND Porter to remake my core with players from this draft if I'm being honest.

I mean if you could restart the team with #4, #9, #14, and #15? And probably bad enough for another top 5 pick the next season? Whew.

[80sballboy]

Wants to go to the Lakers according to Woj.

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[NatP4]

things I'd never thought I would read: Kawhi Leonard wants out of SAS and prefers to go to the Lakers lol