Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXV

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Parsons+4 for Gortat+Morris+Smith+15

Take Jaren Jackson

Interesting. All expiring deals, but is it worth dropping 11 spots in this draft to get out of the last year of Parsons' deal? I'd do it in a minute, but I don't think they would. I bet they wouldn't settle for less than Beal or Otto.

Yeah...the Grizz's might be eager to unload Parsons and his contract but I don't think there's any way they give up the 4th pick without demanding a star player in return.

Agreed. It's just too much.

In any case, there is simply no way we could absorb Parsons' last year. We'd be at $133m for 5 guys!!

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Parsons+4 for Gortat+Morris+Smith+15

Take Jaren Jackson

Interesting. All expiring deals, but is it worth dropping 11 spots in this draft to get out of the last year of Parsons' deal? I'd do it in a minute, but I don't think they would. I bet they wouldn't settle for less than Beal or Otto.

Would we drop 11 spots to get out of Mahinmi deal? I think PIF posted a deal that was exactly that

Close but not "exactly." The deal would get us Richaun Holmes & another R2 pick. Solves a lot of problems, but... would still require a little more analysis.

[Ruzious]

I think I would prefer trading Beal to MEM for 4+Parsons over trading for Kawhi.

Jaren Jackson on a rookie deal>Kawhi on a 1 year deal with no guarantee whatsoever of being able to re sign him.

feel good about replacing Beal with a player at 15 whether Smith or Donte D.

best defense in the NBA?

Wall
Smith
Oubre
Porter
Jackson Jr

Yeah, that might be better - and if Parsons can make a comeback - or is he done?

[Ruzious]

Who knows... maybe one of Ernie's assistants gets an idea from reading our thoughts here, and he says something to Ernie, and voila. Face facts - Ernie's not likely to come up with something good by himself.

[NatP4]

Interesting. All expiring deals, but is it worth dropping 11 spots in this draft to get out of the last year of Parsons' deal? I'd do it in a minute, but I don't think they would. I bet they wouldn't settle for less than Beal or Otto.

Yeah...the Grizz's might be eager to unload Parsons and his contract but I don't think there's any way they give up the 4th pick without demanding a star player in return.

Agreed. It's just too much.

In any case, there is simply no way we could absorb Parsons' last year. We'd be at $133m for 5 guys!!

A lot of wishful thinking, but we would then have to trade Mahinmi or Parsons with our 2019 pick.

[Dat2U]

our core is 28/24/24/21/26, we have all of our picks going forward. Why would we tank?

reload maybe, but why tank?

It's mostly due to the strength of this draft. If you can land #4, #9, and #14 by sending out Wall, Brad, and Otto, then we'd probably be a 50 win team within three years.

Doncic
Smith
Oubre
Carter
Williams

+ max cap space within a few years.

Like, it's a no brainer.

Edit: Choosing which 4 guys to draft is insanely hard btw. Should probably go with Bamba over Doncic. Idk

OMG. I would immediately quit being a fan. What a terrible return on investment just to have Ernie have multiple picks to screw up.

No thanks if they best we can possibly do is late lotto picks for 2 of our best players.

[Dat2U]

Yeah...the Grizz's might be eager to unload Parsons and his contract but I don't think there's any way they give up the 4th pick without demanding a star player in return.

Agreed. It's just too much.

In any case, there is simply no way we could absorb Parsons' last year. We'd be at $133m for 5 guys!!

A lot of wishful thinking, but we would then have to trade Mahinmi or Parsons with our 2019 pick.

I think what Payit is saying is expirings for Parsons can't work - because we already in cap h*ll. Taking on an additional max deal is jusr not happening.

If a deal for the #4 and Parsons happens, it will have to be for either Otto, Brad or John (not likely with Conley there).

[dckingsfan]

our core is 28/24/24/21/26, we have all of our picks going forward. Why would we tank?

reload maybe, but why tank?

It's mostly due to the strength of this draft. If you can land #4, #9, and #14 by sending out Wall, Brad, and Otto, then we'd probably be a 50 win team within three years.

Doncic
Smith
Oubre
Carter
Williams

+ max cap space within a few years.

Like, it's a no brainer.

Edit: Choosing which 4 guys to draft is insanely hard btw. Should probably go with Bamba over Doncic. Idk

I think it would be problematic to send out Wall, Beal and Porter and not get contracts back. But if you did, and you could land 4 or 5 reasonably high 1st round picks over the next 2 to 3 years... And if Ted was suddenly willing to purchase 2nd rounders.

I would lean toward doing that. At this point - the team just isn't compelling.

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I think the Grizz want a GOOD veteran out of dumping Parsons with the 4th pick.

I suggested Otto for Parsons & the 4th, I think that's the best type of deal Memphis can expect if they are intent on using the 4th to rid of Parsons contract. Getting a good starter in return (but not a guy that's considered a star).

The Wizards do it because we'll possibly lose Otto in 2 years anyways if he opts out. Plus it helps our salary structure in two years once Parsons' deal expires.

If Porter opts out, then we are getting the #4 this year for, essentially, the difference between Otto's production & Parsons' production in the next 2 years.

[Dat2U]

I think the Grizz want a GOOD veteran out of dumping Parsons with the 4th pick.

I suggested Otto for Parsons & the 4th, I think that's the best type of deal Memphis can expect if they are intent on using the 4th to rid of Parsons contract. Getting a good starter in return (but not a guy that's considered a star).

The Wizards do it because we'll possibly lose Otto in 2 years anyways if he opts out. Plus it helps our salary structure in two years once Parsons' deal expires.

If Porter opts out, then we are getting the #4 this year for, essentially, the difference between Otto's production & Parsons' production in the next 2 years.

Would you do it?

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our core is 28/24/24/21/26, we have all of our picks going forward. Why would we tank?

reload maybe, but why tank?

It's mostly due to the strength of this draft. If you can land #4, #9, and #14 by sending out Wall, Brad, and Otto, then we'd probably be a 50 win team within three years.

Doncic
Smith
Oubre
Carter
Williams

+ max cap space within a few years.

Like, it's a no brainer.

Edit: Choosing which 4 guys to draft is insanely hard btw. Should probably go with Bamba over Doncic. Idk

I think it would be problematic to send out Wall, Beal and Porter and not get contracts back. But if you did, and you could land 4 or 5 reasonably high 1st round picks over the next 2 to 3 years... And if Ted was suddenly willing to purchase 2nd rounders.

I would lean toward doing that. At this point - the team just isn't compelling.

This is simply starting over -- from scratch. I mean literally. The team next year is those 4 R1 rookies, our #44 pick, Sato, Oubre, Parsons & Mahinmi. Those last two you let expire. Then make your 2 2019 picks.

Given that the current generation of the Wizards is stuck behind two extremely talented & young teams (Boston/Philly) & so can't really be expected to do anything much -- we have to rely on hope, & hope ain't a rope -- there is reason to go in that direction. Especially since our salary structure is so utterly brutal. But... it's too radical all the same.

Above all, these moves would be tantamount to an admission of abject failure by Ted & Ernie. That's something we aren't going to see. Moreover, the Caps have just taken all the pressure off of Ted to deliver a championship.

The draft is less than a week away. I'm more interested in acquiring extra R2 picks than I am in fantasizing along these lines. Might just be me.

[DCZards]

our core is 28/24/24/21/26, we have all of our picks going forward. Why would we tank?

reload maybe, but why tank?

It's mostly due to the strength of this draft. If you can land #4, #9, and #14 by sending out Wall, Brad, and Otto, then we'd probably be a 50 win team within three years.

Doncic
Smith
Oubre
Carter
Williams

+ max cap space within a few years.

Like, it's a no brainer.

Edit: Choosing which 4 guys to draft is insanely hard btw. Should probably go with Bamba over Doncic. Idk

OMG. I would immediately quit being a fan. What a terrible return on investment just to have Ernie have multiple picks to screw up.

No thanks if they best we can possibly do is late lotto picks for 2 of our best players.

Yeah...it's a bit of fantasy to think you can dump two all-stars (Wall and Beal) and a near all-star (Porter) and replace them with 4 guys who haven't proven squat in the NBA...and come away believing that puts you on track to win 50 games 3 years down the road.

[NatP4]

not to mention, by the time they all developed into players, its time to hand them extensions.

[Error Afflalo]

The objection about Lebron makes sense of course -- but only if they are in (or want to be in) "the Lebron sweepstakes." I don't think they are. More importantly, I wouldn't want to be.

Why? B/c the opportunity to win a title comes when GS slips, which won't be this coming year or (likely) not the year after either. Philly is incredibly loaded with young talent (despite the failed pick of Okafor & the foolish trade with Boston last year). They don't need to add a quick-fix superstar, they need to allow their core to grow up & add to it.

This is where we differ. I might agree with this if adding Lebron meant losing Embiid or Simmons, but it doesn't. They'd be adding him with cap space without sacrificing anyone. If you can add the second-best player ever without breaking up your young core, you do it every time.

That's IMO. Anyone could have a different opinion, of course, but you can see why, given my opinion, the trade makes sense for them. If it's not quite right in terms of weights in the 2 scales, I think that would be easy to fix via R2 picks.

If I see a problem from our POV, it would be if we gave up an important difference in talent/future by dropping from 15 to 26. & we might! That's where I'd be doing my own due diligence.

Anyway... just an idea. Thanks for responding.

I love the deal from our perspective, but If they decide to give up their 2018 max slot, which this Mahinmi deal does, there are better options out there than our deal:

- They can work something out with Memphis for the 4th pick. They have enough space to absorb Parsons' salary without sending money out.

- Denver is desperate to unload Faried' because re-signing Jokic puts them in the tax. Philly can get the 14th pick back without giving up Holmes and the picks.

- Charlotte is up against the tax as well. Philly could work out something for #11 that has them taking on Marvin Williams or MKG without sending back salary.

- The Clippers might be willing to give up one of their lotto picks to get out of Gallinari's huge deal.

All of those deals involve a) desperate teams, b) players whose deals expire at the same time as Mahinmi's (before in Faried's case) , and c) players who fit better next to Simmons and Embiid than Mahinmi. And they'd be giving up less in all those deals than Holmes, 26, and 38.

It's cool that we disagree on this. Reading different perspectives on all these moves is what makes this board fun.

[dckingsfan]

It's mostly due to the strength of this draft. If you can land #4, #9, and #14 by sending out Wall, Brad, and Otto, then we'd probably be a 50 win team within three years.

Doncic
Smith
Oubre
Carter
Williams

+ max cap space within a few years.

Like, it's a no brainer.

Edit: Choosing which 4 guys to draft is insanely hard btw. Should probably go with Bamba over Doncic. Idk

I think it would be problematic to send out Wall, Beal and Porter and not get contracts back. But if you did, and you could land 4 or 5 reasonably high 1st round picks over the next 2 to 3 years... And if Ted was suddenly willing to purchase 2nd rounders.

I would lean toward doing that. At this point - the team just isn't compelling.

This is simply starting over -- from scratch. I mean literally. The team next year is those 4 R1 rookies, our #44 pick, Sato, Oubre, Parsons & Mahinmi. Those last two you let expire. Then make your 2 2019 picks.

Given that the current generation of the Wizards is stuck behind two extremely talented & young teams (Boston/Philly) & so can't really be expected to do anything much -- we have to rely on hope, & hope ain't a rope -- there is reason to go in that direction. Especially since our salary structure is so utterly brutal. But... it's too radical all the same.

Above all, these moves would be tantamount to an admission of abject failure by Ted & Ernie. That's something we aren't going to see. Moreover, the Caps have just taken all the pressure off of Ted to deliver a championship.

The draft is less than a week away. I'm more interested in acquiring extra R2 picks than I am in fantasizing along these lines. Might just be me.

Yep, no doubt it is a fantasy. And the ultimate fantasy would be that EG would go as well. But with 5 days left - fantasizing over a 2nd round pick is more fun.