Kawhi update thread 2.0

[truth18]

original thread https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1693601&start=1980

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The Comedian (29)
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Tai (26)

33 posts? I made that many in one day. I demand a recount. THIS IS ALL I HAVE!!

We are the instant, take it to the rim offense on this team. Can't be bothered jacking up the same long shots all year

[Tai]

Maybe we should talk about Hayward more — fixes our glut on the wings, let’s us keep a real 2, and means an injured guy for an injured guy. Can include Brad for Pop if people have concern about that relationship.

Hayward plus picks for Kawhi and salary filler.

Kyrie Brown Kawhi Tatum Horford

I do think Hayward and Aldridge would be pretty good together.

I think we'd all be discussing this, including Danny, if Brad wasn't a factor.

It pains me to no end to say this but its the truth: we can't trade Gordon, it will harm our relationship with Brad too much. He won't be understanding. At all.

Well, the Spurs would not do that trade regardless. They aren't trading Leonard for a very expensive 28-year-old coming off injury. It's going to have to be either Kyrie (not happening because he won't re-up in SA) or Brown as the centerpiece.

Not to mention Kawhi for Hayward doesn't work straight up; Hayward makes $30M and Kawhi $19M, meaning the Spurs would have to add someone else only to get Hayward back.

[darrendaye]

My prediction - DeAndre Jordan, Tobias Harris, picks 12 & 13 for Leonard, pick 18 and contract fillers. The Spurs could move up in the draft after acquiring 12, 13 & Harris. Iirc the Clippers need to get a pick back, because they may not have a 2019 pick.

The Spurs aren't taking back Jordan with the money he is going to command. I just don't see any way the Clippers land Leonard unless they get a third team involved.

It may be implied in this answer, but, it's important to remember to the uninformed, Jordan has a player option for next season.

[ddb]

I still think we need clarification on the whole Kyrie for Kawhi thing. Like, is it the package?

Or is Jaylen/whatever the package?

Or something else

There is no package just speculation of what one may be. My guess is it never happens unless Kyrie is the big piece.

I believe if Ainge and the Celtics really want Kawhi (which isn’t certain) then the main centerpiece will be Kyrie and picks. Either directly to the Spurs or to a 3rd team to get the Spurs what they want.

Celtics and Ainge I believe don’t want to move either Brown or Tatum because they are good, young, have more upside and most of all cost effective the next few years.

Time will tell but that’s my opinion. Rozier and Smart can handle the point guard duties with a lineup like Hayward, Leonard, Brown, Tatum and Horford.

Like I said we all will see soon enough

Maybe But I'd rather keep Kyrie. I want Hayward here too. The thing with Kyrie is come game 7 of the East Finals it's really hard to score as we just witnessed scoring 79 at home against Cleveland. Kyrie is 1 of the most dynamic offensive players in the league it terms of manufacturing points when it matters in the playoffs. If the Celtics want to win titles you need that.
Kawhi is excellent.
Hayward can also get his.

Danny doesn't need to make a big trade to be a contender. Healthy, they already are. If the Celtics do a Kawhi deal maybe you keep Kyrie out of it. Hayward too.

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[Valid]

My prediction - DeAndre Jordan, Tobias Harris, picks 12 & 13 for Leonard, pick 18 and contract fillers. The Spurs could move up in the draft after acquiring 12, 13 & Harris. Iirc the Clippers need to get a pick back, because they may not have a 2019 pick.

The Spurs aren't taking back Jordan with the money he is going to command. I just don't see any way the Clippers land Leonard unless they get a third team involved.

It may be implied in this answer, but, it's important to remember to the uninformed, Jordan has a player option for next season.

Yep. Hard to see him not opting out, though.

[Tyakack]

I think this is my first wall of shame. I feel so honored. I'd like to thank my lack of family and friends. Without you this wouldn't have been possible.

[TheMartian]

Here is my concern with the Cetics potentially trading for Kawhi. First, there is a durability concern. Kyrie, Hayward and Kawhi are 3 stars, but 3 stars coming off significant injuries.

The other concern is this...Kawhi is in a great situation playing for a great coach and a first class organization. I know because I worked for the organization.
If he wants out from San Antonio then there is definitely a BIG interest that he has in playing in LA. So even if Boston swoops in and trades for him, he can turn right around and sign in LA anyway. This isn't a situation where Kawhi is coming from a lousy organization like Minny or Milwaukee and then he is blown away by Boston and the organization. The Spurs have a great fan base...they have a HOF coach. They win. They do things right. Going to Boston only presents 1 difference for Kawhi at this juncture. He would have a better shot at winning another ring or two in Boston then he currently does in SA...but then again, he already won a ring...which brings me back to LA. Seems like there is a big interest in LA or NY for Kawhi.

Keep an eye on LA, Philly, Boston and the surprise team I would think is NY

This is my concern as well.

I think the great coach, winning culture/situation and the great organization will not be a selling point for Boston to make Kawhi stay with the Celtics, as he is just leaving a similar situation in San Antonio. I think he really wants to go to LA/NY and will not sign an extension if he's traded elsewhere.

Hard pass for me, but I trust Ainge knows what he's doing if he does trade for Kawhi.

[CelticFaninLBC]

I still think we need clarification on the whole Kyrie for Kawhi thing. Like, is it the package?

Or is Jaylen/whatever the package?

Or something else

There is no package just speculation of what one may be. My guess is it never happens unless Kyrie is the big piece.

I believe if Ainge and the Celtics really want Kawhi (which isn’t certain) then the main centerpiece will be Kyrie and picks. Either directly to the Spurs or to a 3rd team to get the Spurs what they want.

Celtics and Ainge I believe don’t want to move either Brown or Tatum because they are good, young, have more upside and most of all cost effective the next few years.

Time will tell but that’s my opinion. Rozier and Smart can handle the point guard duties with a lineup like Hayward, Leonard, Brown, Tatum and Horford.

Like I said we all will see soon enough

Agree that if the deal is made it's Kyrie and a pick or two for Kawhi.

If Brown, Rozier, SAC pick are dealt, that basically narrows the contention window from 10-12 years down to 5-6 years..

[ConstableGeneva]

Nothing new from Bulpett... http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2018/06/interest_is_there_but_celtics_face_obstacles_in_pursuit_of_kawhi_leonard

Interest is there but concerns remain -- bolting to LA after a year, cost, and health. Some also believe he'll patch things up with SA (I don't).

[ConstableGeneva]

In Danny We Trust.

Okay, maybe not if you're playing for the Celtics and can be traded anytime lol.

[Celts17Pride]

Nothing new from Bulpett... http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2018/06/interest_is_there_but_celtics_face_obstacles_in_pursuit_of_kawhi_leonard

Interest is there but concerns remain -- bolting to LA after a year, cost, and health. Some also believe he'll patch things up with SA (I don't).

This is Ainge telling Bulpett to keep things calmed down because I don’t want people knowing what I am doing. Typical Bulpett article.

[Froob]

Nothing new from Bulpett... http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2018/06/interest_is_there_but_celtics_face_obstacles_in_pursuit_of_kawhi_leonard

Interest is there but concerns remain -- bolting to LA after a year, cost, and health. Some also believe he'll patch things up with SA (I don't).

This is Ainge telling Bulpett to keep things calmed down because I don’t want people knowing what I am doing. Typical Bulpett article.

Why Bulpett lol? Ainge doesn’t know any bigger writers?

[Celts17Pride]

One thing to keep an eye on in my opinion is if Kawhi Leonard is traded before the draft.

If Kawhi isn’t traded before the draft I personally think it all but eliminates Philly and Clippers and increases the chances of Boston (Smart sign and trade) and the Lakers.

Just a thought

[Celts17Pride]

Nothing new from Bulpett... http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2018/06/interest_is_there_but_celtics_face_obstacles_in_pursuit_of_kawhi_leonard

Interest is there but concerns remain -- bolting to LA after a year, cost, and health. Some also believe he'll patch things up with SA (I don't).

This is Ainge telling Bulpett to keep things calmed down because I don’t want people knowing what I am doing. Typical Bulpett article.

Why Bulpett lol? Ainge doesn’t know any bigger writers?

Bulpett is a well known Ainge mouthpiece

[truth18]

Nothing new from Bulpett... http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2018/06/interest_is_there_but_celtics_face_obstacles_in_pursuit_of_kawhi_leonard

Interest is there but concerns remain -- bolting to LA after a year, cost, and health. Some also believe he'll patch things up with SA (I don't).

This is Ainge telling Bulpett to keep things calmed down because I don’t want people knowing what I am doing. Typical Bulpett article.

Why Bulpett lol? Ainge doesn’t know any bigger writers?

This a joke?

[truth18]

Is there a chance of an outside team (non-Celtics/Lakers/Clippers/NYK/Spurs) getting Kawhi?

You have to think that there's a FO with the assests to get him and the will to roll the dice to make him stay given his talent.

Make no mistake, Pop and RC are some cold ass dudes. I have my serious doubts that they want to trade him to the aforementioned teams outside of New York in a competitive sense.

[Celts17Pride]

Is there a chance at an outside team (non-Celtics/Lakers/Clippers/NYK/Spurs) getting Kawhi?

You have to think that there's a FO with the assests to get him and the will to roll the dice to make him stay given his talent.

I think there is a chance for anything. A lot of desperate teams out there

[GoCeltics123]

Is there a chance at an outside team (non-Celtics/Lakers/Clippers/NYK/Spurs) getting Kawhi?

You have to think that there's a FO with the assests to get him and the will to roll the dice to make him stay given his talent.

I think there is a chance for anything. A lot of desperate teams out there

Denver. Gary Harris

[Celts17Pride]

Is there a chance at an outside team (non-Celtics/Lakers/Clippers/NYK/Spurs) getting Kawhi?

You have to think that there's a FO with the assests to get him and the will to roll the dice to make him stay given his talent.

I think there is a chance for anything. A lot of desperate teams out there

Denver. Gary Harris

I think Kyrie, Lebron and Kawhi are all going to dictate where they are going next year or this off-season because not many teams will give up a ton knowing there is very little chance they resign with that team

[Tai]

To follow up from previous thread:

1. To be frank, you’ve missed my point entirely.

2. To be frank, because I post something you disagree with doesn’t make my posts something that belongs on the GB

3. To be frank, maybe you spend too much time on the GB yourself.

4. To be frank, if you want to have an actual discussion fine, otherwise go F yourself

You may be right about my time on the GB.

That said, as far as an actual discussion, I think what I said on what we'd have to give up is fair, and you simply chose not to respond to it, so I'll lay it out this way:

1) Who is sincerely beating a deal revolved around Brown/Rozier/Morris/filler/combination of picks? Again, MAYBE Saric/Covington/#10 can compete, or at least the Celtics force the Sixers to include Fultz (who again, do Spurs really want him)?

2) To reply to what you mentioned in another post, why would the Spurs make negotiations more painful for the Celtics than say, the Lakers? By trading to the Celtics, the Spurs get Kawhi out of conference, and if I'm to believe what I read on the GB's topic on Kawhi, supposedly the Spurs just don't love the Lakers in general. Woj said on SVG's SportsCenter hour that Lonzo to the Spurs probably isn't a great fit, so perhaps the Spurs make the Lakers give up someone else they wouldn't want to? If the Spurs were in the East maybe you'd possibly have a point, but if the Celtics can give the best deal and it wouldn't have to include Tatum, why would the Spurs say no if it means they don't have to deal with the Lakers?