NBA Draft 2018 5.0: Lucky #7 and 22.

[Proven_Winner]

The appeal to authority is CJ McCollum's brother? In unrelated news Jason Williams keeps calling MPJ a "point forward" and thinks his best NBA comp is pre-injuy Shaun Livingston.

The funny part is he literally ignores half of the paragraph ("He's going to have a good rookie year...") and props up the part he wanted to hear.

Sounds like the standard thing in most these threads.

[Ugly Duckling]

I wonder who the diamond in the rough is. Who's going to be the Donovan Mitchell of this draft? That's what I wanna know

More often than not drafts don't have Donovan Mitchells. But based on hype with very little "scouting" performed by me, Kevin Knox, Mitchell Robinson, Lonnie Walker or Zhaire Smith?

True. Out of these four, Knox has the most promise. Don't see him becoming an All-Star, but he has the tools to become a solid rotation player/starter. Robinson is hard to evaluate, but I didn't see anything that would lead me to believe that he'll translate. I could see Walker becoming a journeyman if he works really hard, but Smith doesn't look good at all. But hey, I hope they all prove me wrong. Anything is possible and I wish them all the best

[blicka]

The appeal to authority is CJ McCollum's brother? In unrelated news Jason Williams keeps calling MPJ a "point forward" and thinks his best NBA comp is pre-injuy Shaun Livingston.

An actual euroleague player who has faced doncic and plays pro ball>>>>>>>>>>>Washed up non pro scouts who been posting on forums for 10-18 years

He doesn't have to be the authority.His opinion holds more weight than ANYBODY on this site.

For someone who **** all over posters' opinions merely because they are posters and not pro players or pro scouts, you spend a lot of time in here. I don't get it. We don't typically just bash each other's views based on the theory that we aren't professional basketball people. I mean you do. But the rest of us don't typically resort to that argument every day.

You're just babbling. I'm not the one in here questioning a pro basketball player(who plays in the euroleague) opinion on doncic. Y'all are, and getting defensive because your savior has serious question marks about how his game translates to the nba.

pro scouts people who actually get paid to gauge prospects unlike anybody on this site and have actual experience doing it say the same thing btw. I guess I should care more about what posters on a message board who probably couldn't even get on the court at your local gym have to say

[Ugly Duckling]

An actual euroleague player who has faced doncic and plays pro ball>>>>>>>>>>>Washed up non pro scouts who been posting on forums for 10-18 years

He doesn't have to be the authority.His opinion holds more weight than ANYBODY on this site.

For someone who **** all over posters' opinions merely because they are posters and not pro players or pro scouts, you spend a lot of time in here. I don't get it. We don't typically just bash each other's views based on the theory that we aren't professional basketball people. I mean you do. But the rest of us don't typically resort to that argument every day.

You're just babbling. I'm not the one in here questioning a pro basketball player(who plays in the euroleague) opinion on doncic. Y'all are, and getting defensive because your savior has serious question marks about how his game translates to the nba.

pro scouts people who actually get paid to gauge prospects unlike anybody on this site and have actual experience doing it say the same thing btw. I guess I should care more about what posters on a message board who probably couldn't even get on the court at your local gym have to say

Pro scouts are no better at assessing talent than intelligent, interested fans. They're just a bit more informed, which can be a bad thing because there's a lot of misinformation

[chitowndish]

I agree it's strange that we hear so much about teams wanting trade down and not so much about teams trying to trade up. I don't think that is a smokescreen that sounds like a pretty dry market or we'd be hearing more about it. Instead you have Phoenix trying to sell #1 for Leonard, Sacramento, Memphis and I think I heard Dallas would look at trades too (could be wrong on this one). That's pretty good news for us where we're at because we're in a great position to trade up but it could be a sign that it makes sense to stay right where we are and see who drops. I trust Pax to make the right call here but I really want to see if we can trade in to that 4 pick without including 7 (the Dunn Portis 22 for Parsons 4 idea) and walk away with 2 of these guys.

[Proven_Winner]

For someone who **** all over posters' opinions merely because they are posters and not pro players or pro scouts, you spend a lot of time in here. I don't get it. We don't typically just bash each other's views based on the theory that we aren't professional basketball people. I mean you do. But the rest of us don't typically resort to that argument every day.

You're just babbling. I'm not the one in here questioning a pro basketball player(who plays in the euroleague) opinion on doncic. Y'all are, and getting defensive because your savior has serious question marks about how his game translates to the nba.

pro scouts people who actually get paid to gauge prospects unlike anybody on this site and have actual experience doing it say the same thing btw. I guess I should care more about what posters on a message board who probably couldn't even get on the court at your local gym have to say

Pro scouts are no better at assessing talent than intelligent, interested fans. They're just a bit more informed, which can be a bad thing because there's a lot of misinformation

I mean they get paid to do it so I wouldn’t down play just how much more better they are at evaluating. Hell fans don’t need to be informed because they’re already too emotional. Most people’s evaluation here typically ends up just building up their guy and **** on someone else. Hell this board at one point had the nerve to debate whether Doug had any skill to that of legends like bird.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

An actual euroleague player who has faced doncic and plays pro ball>>>>>>>>>>>Washed up non pro scouts who been posting on forums for 10-18 years

He doesn't have to be the authority.His opinion holds more weight than ANYBODY on this site.

For someone who **** all over posters' opinions merely because they are posters and not pro players or pro scouts, you spend a lot of time in here. I don't get it. We don't typically just bash each other's views based on the theory that we aren't professional basketball people. I mean you do. But the rest of us don't typically resort to that argument every day.

You're just babbling. I'm not the one in here questioning a pro basketball player(who plays in the euroleague) opinion on doncic. Y'all are, and getting defensive because your savior has serious question marks about how his game translates to the nba.

pro scouts people who actually get paid to gauge prospects unlike anybody on this site and have actual experience doing it say the same thing btw. I guess I should care more about what posters on a message board who probably couldn't even get on the court at your local gym have to say

Eh you’re a troll. Plenty of players and scouts have praised Luka, you just highlighted one that shared your opinion. But I’m not saying anything you don’t already know. You’re here to scratch an itch that has nothing to do with Luka or this board.

[Bulls23Nation]

Some people have been low on WCJ, but here's something to consider... What if WCJ is the kind of player that unlocks Lauri? If Lauri develops into a top tier player, then I think drafting a solid complimentary player, like WCJ, might be worth it.

He is the type of player that can do that. Two players with no overlap in ability and whose weaknesses offset.

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Agreed. I don't want to draft for fit, but clearly the two best fits at 7 will be WCJ and Mikal Bridges.

Note: I also think either one could be BPA at 7. To me they are solidly in the range there, and neither would be a reach.

Maybe it's the sunny optimist in me but don't feel like we can go wrong with our pick. As long as it's one of Mikal, WCJ, Trae, or MPJ. I would love Bamba, or Doncic but I doubt either fall that far. MPJ might have the highest upside of the group, and also highest risk/small sample size to go off so I can understand the skepticism. I'd love either of these guys you mentioned, however, I'm sort of with Pax getting a wing. Mikal with his 3D ability, or swing for the fences on MPJ if he's available. Do what we can to get Capela. Drafting Mikal gives us 2 dogs on defense at PG/SF, 2 shooters on the wings, Marksman at PF, and a defensive anchor at center. I love Capelas ability to rebound, score a bit, and switch out to the perimeter on D. 13/10/2 blocks in 28 minutes a game on a iso oriented team with ball dominant guys like cp3, and harden. That team could be something. Has a throwback feel to it, and all around same age range to grow for a couple years. If nothing else it would be be exciting to watch for a year or two. Don't see anyone challenging the Dubs anytime soon. Maybe the rockets if Lebron goes there.

Dunn
Lavine
Mikal or MPJ
Lauri
Capela

We have alot of different avenues we can go in with cap space, and a solid core to start with. This is the most pumped I've been for a draft in awhile!

[navdeep_singh]

It’s pretty clear why team want to trade down; they rate the talent as more or less equal and think they can accumulate added picks, players , and assets like Danny Ainge robbed Philadelphia last year .

They hope there are teams like the Bulls who would do exactly do what many people on these boards are advocating: to be this year’s Philadelphia and give up the store .

I am trading 22 and seven to move up, but that’s about it. They amount of improvement Portis made this late last year was amazing with his work ethic and dedication, I expect continued improvement.

I’m also very happy to sit at 22 and seven and I trust Pax to draft intelligently.

My question is: what is Doug Collins role in all this? How much weight does he have in the decision making ?

[GimmeDat]

Plenty of NBA players are terrible analysts with horrible opinions. Evaluating talent is a completely different beast. I don't care what level you've played at.

[Ugly Duckling]

You're just babbling. I'm not the one in here questioning a pro basketball player(who plays in the euroleague) opinion on doncic. Y'all are, and getting defensive because your savior has serious question marks about how his game translates to the nba.

pro scouts people who actually get paid to gauge prospects unlike anybody on this site and have actual experience doing it say the same thing btw. I guess I should care more about what posters on a message board who probably couldn't even get on the court at your local gym have to say

Pro scouts are no better at assessing talent than intelligent, interested fans. They're just a bit more informed, which can be a bad thing because there's a lot of misinformation

I mean they get paid to do it so I wouldn’t down play just how much more better they are at evaluating. Hell fans don’t need to be informed because they’re already too emotional. Most people’s evaluation here typically ends up just building up their guy and **** on someone else. Hell this board at one point had the nerve to debate whether Doug had any skill to that of legends like bird.

You'd be surprised.. if you could be a fly on the wall when they're talking about prospects, you'd hear some of them say things much more outlandish than comparing McDermott to Bird. Just because someone lands a job as a scout doesn't necessarily mean he's an elite talent evaluator

[Bulls23Nation]

I can definitely see the comparison to Klay with Mikal. Actually the form on his shot reminds me alot of Reggie Miller. That high/quick release could be lethal in hoiball. Though don't think Reggie held the ball on his left side before the release. Mikal's form is a bit cleaner. Also the explosion off the bounce would be fun. That drive in the lane poster against gonzaga comes to mind. Do kind of worry about his ability to create, but if we keep the ball moving like we're supposed to that shouldn't be an issue. I don't see why he can't improve that area of his game with all the growth he's shown at Nova. We'll rely on Dunn/Lavine mostly anyway for ball handling duties.

[Ugly Duckling]

Plenty of NBA players are terrible analysts with horrible opinions. Evaluating talent is a completely different beast. I don't care what level you've played at.

MJ is the best player of all time. He's not that good at evaluating talent. Case closed. End of story

[GimmeDat]

If we take all the names in the green room plus Doncic (19 players) and assume they all go before our Pels pick, there's only 2 more picks to be made before our own. if you buy in to the spurs taking Spellman before us also, then there's only 1 pick left before we pick.

The remaining names include Melton, Musa, Heurter, Brown, Okogie, Okobo, ill throw Thomas in there as well because I know some like him, and we'll say M.Robinson as well. If all that goes as you would hope, then we have a shot at all but 1 of those guys. At worst, you'd imagine only a few of the greenroom guys drop below us, so there should be at minimum half of the guys mentioned that should be on the board for us. You could argue guys like Bates-Diop and Robinson could also have the potential to go above us.

I don't know who exactly will be there, but just by the numbers game, someone good should be there. Whether that's my personal favourite, Troy Brown, I feel like it would be too good to be true, but if it is, I think we hit a home run. Next favourites as Heurter and Melton for me.

[DuckIII]

Plenty of NBA players are terrible analysts with horrible opinions. Evaluating talent is a completely different beast. I don't care what level you've played at.

Did you read the article detailing Magic Johnson’s twitter feed opinions on draft prospects? Came out shortly after the Lakers hired him. Oh man, it’s classic.

[NecessaryEvil]

I can definitely see the comparison to Klay with Mikal. Actually the form on his shot reminds me alot of Reggie Miller. That high/quick release could be lethal in hoiball. Though don't think Reggie held the ball on his left side before the release. Mikal's form is a bit cleaner. Also the explosion off the bounce would be fun. That drive in the lane poster against gonzaga comes to mind. Do kind of worry about his ability to create, but if we keep the ball moving like we're supposed to that shouldn't be an issue. I don't see why he can't improve that area of his game with all the growth he's shown at Nova. We'll rely on Dunn/Lavine mostly anyway for ball handling duties.

I love his leadership and passion for the game. Especially on defense. If Mikal spends an offseaon or two working solely on his handle, he'll be a top 20 NBA player some day.

I slept on this kid so hard it makes no sense. Almost ashamed of my self. Gonna be A LOT of GM's that'll regret passing on this man. He's going to be great.

Low key, I think that report out of Chicago from Cowley? was another smoke screen. He has to be the 2nd SF on their big board

Would be tough for me to select between he and Young if he were to fall to 7.

[Chi town]

I can definitely see the comparison to Klay with Mikal. Actually the form on his shot reminds me alot of Reggie Miller. That high/quick release could be lethal in hoiball. Though don't think Reggie held the ball on his left side before the release. Mikal's form is a bit cleaner. Also the explosion off the bounce would be fun. That drive in the lane poster against gonzaga comes to mind. Do kind of worry about his ability to create, but if we keep the ball moving like we're supposed to that shouldn't be an issue. I don't see why he can't improve that area of his game with all the growth he's shown at Nova. We'll rely on Dunn/Lavine mostly anyway for ball handling duties.

I love his leadership and passion for the game. Especially on defense. If Mikal spends an offseaon or two working solely on his handle, he'll be a top 20 NBA player some day.

I slept on this kid so hard it makes no sense. Almost ashamed of my self. Gonna be A LOT of GM's that'll regret passing on this man. He's going to be great.

Yes and Yes.

My board still remains Luka JJJ Mikal. The 3 that will contribute to winning more than anyone else.

[Bulls23Nation]

I can definitely see the comparison to Klay with Mikal. Actually the form on his shot reminds me alot of Reggie Miller. That high/quick release could be lethal in hoiball. Though don't think Reggie held the ball on his left side before the release. Mikal's form is a bit cleaner. Also the explosion off the bounce would be fun. That drive in the lane poster against gonzaga comes to mind. Do kind of worry about his ability to create, but if we keep the ball moving like we're supposed to that shouldn't be an issue. I don't see why he can't improve that area of his game with all the growth he's shown at Nova. We'll rely on Dunn/Lavine mostly anyway for ball handling duties.

I love his leadership and passion for the game. Especially on defense. If Mikal spends an offseaon or two working solely on his handle, he'll be a top 20 NBA player some day.

I slept on this kid so hard it makes no sense. Almost ashamed of my self. Gonna be A LOT of GM's that'll regret passing on this man. He's going to be great.

Low key, I think that report out of Chicago from Cowley? was another smoke screen. He has to be the 2nd SF on their big board

Would be tough for me to select between he and Young if he were to fall to 7.

Tough decision for me at 7. I went with Porter Jr initially in the poll, but I'm starting to think Mikal could be that one we look back in a couple years and say, "how did he fall that far?" MPJ was a top 2 prospect coming out of high school. It's just those red flags and the small college sample size that made me change my vote to Mikal.

I.
am.
so.
torn.

[taj2133]

OT:Wendell Carter said it was an honor to work out for the Magic.

He has been throwing the honor term around a lot and mentioned that when talking about playing next Kristaps Porzingis. Carter admitted that the Magic gave him a difficult workout, so maybe they would consider him at No. 6

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[tunit213]

Did the Bulls workout Knox individually or with a group of other college players?