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Post#301 » by Dr Positivity » Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:17 am

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Fadeaway_J wrote:So first round you pick three players, second round you pick teammates of those three players, and what happens in the third round? Could you use one player as a teammate for multiple earlier picks.


No I meant each player is picked individually like a regular draft. For example if you take MJ 1st, you need to draft 2 teammates, but you can do it in any of the next seven rounds like taking Rodman round 3 and Kerr round 6

I understand that part, but how many other players do I need to pick teammates for? I'm not clear on how it would work beyond that initial stage.


You need three groups of three teammates like the big 3 game
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#302 » by Fadeaway_J » Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:27 am

Dr Positivity wrote:Might be a little top heavy, the exception helps but the bottom half of the first round could have trouble competing with someone who has Giannis or Kawhi for example. Doing non top 15 would lose Nash Kawhi and Giannis for what it's worth

Would placing restrictions on the exception make it better or worse?
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#303 » by Dr Positivity » Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:32 am

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Dr Positivity wrote:Might be a little top heavy, the exception helps but the bottom half of the first round could have trouble competing with someone who has Giannis or Kawhi for example. Doing non top 15 would lose Nash Kawhi and Giannis for what it's worth

Would placing restrictions on the exception make it better or worse?


No 1st team All-NBA is an option, there's only a handful of guys who are affected

Another idea is that while Hawkeye suggested everyone in the 1st round is an exception, giving players the freedom to use their exception in any round could help the reduce the impact of the top heavy non lotto guys. Using your 1st round on Kawhi, Giannis, Nash, or Stockton would come at the cost of getting one of the top lotto players
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#304 » by Fadeaway_J » Sun Jun 17, 2018 2:10 am

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Dr Positivity wrote:Might be a little top heavy, the exception helps but the bottom half of the first round could have trouble competing with someone who has Giannis or Kawhi for example. Doing non top 15 would lose Nash Kawhi and Giannis for what it's worth

Would placing restrictions on the exception make it better or worse?


No 1st team All-NBA is an option, there's only a handful of guys who are affected

Another idea is that while Hawkeye suggested everyone in the 1st round is an exception, giving players the freedom to use their exception in any round could help the reduce the impact of the top heavy non lotto guys. Using your 1st round on Kawhi, Giannis, Nash, or Stockton would come at the cost of getting one of the top lotto players

I was thinking about banning all #1 overall picks since the lottery was implemented (that's 1985 to now). That takes out LeBron and Shaq who I would say are the only real "gamebreakers" from that period.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#305 » by Dr Positivity » Sun Jun 17, 2018 2:29 am

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Dr Positivity wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:Would placing restrictions on the exception make it better or worse?


No 1st team All-NBA is an option, there's only a handful of guys who are affected

Another idea is that while Hawkeye suggested everyone in the 1st round is an exception, giving players the freedom to use their exception in any round could help the reduce the impact of the top heavy non lotto guys. Using your 1st round on Kawhi, Giannis, Nash, or Stockton would come at the cost of getting one of the top lotto players

I was thinking about banning all #1 overall picks since the lottery was implemented (that's 1985 to now). That takes out LeBron and Shaq who I would say are the only real "gamebreakers" from that period.


I don't think LBJ and Shaq are that overpowered. Picking them top 5 means the pool of non lotto players should be pretty bad by the time they get back. And there's plenty of elite exception players available. I think the difference between Kawhi and the 10th best non lotto player is more significant than LBJ vs the 10th best exception
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#306 » by Fadeaway_J » Sun Jun 17, 2018 2:43 am

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No 1st team All-NBA is an option, there's only a handful of guys who are affected

Another idea is that while Hawkeye suggested everyone in the 1st round is an exception, giving players the freedom to use their exception in any round could help the reduce the impact of the top heavy non lotto guys. Using your 1st round on Kawhi, Giannis, Nash, or Stockton would come at the cost of getting one of the top lotto players

I was thinking about banning all #1 overall picks since the lottery was implemented (that's 1985 to now). That takes out LeBron and Shaq who I would say are the only real "gamebreakers" from that period.


I don't think LBJ and Shaq are that overpowered. Picking them top 5 means the pool of non lotto players should be pretty bad by the time they get back. And there's plenty of elite exception players available. I think the difference between Kawhi and the 10th best non lotto player is more significant than LBJ vs the 10th best exception

So would you just have a regular exception with no restrictions? I think getting rid of the All-NBA First Teamers is too drastic.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#307 » by Dr Positivity » Sun Jun 17, 2018 2:50 am

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Dr Positivity wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:I was thinking about banning all #1 overall picks since the lottery was implemented (that's 1985 to now). That takes out LeBron and Shaq who I would say are the only real "gamebreakers" from that period.


I don't think LBJ and Shaq are that overpowered. Picking them top 5 means the pool of non lotto players should be pretty bad by the time they get back. And there's plenty of elite exception players available. I think the difference between Kawhi and the 10th best non lotto player is more significant than LBJ vs the 10th best exception

So would you just have a regular exception with no restrictions? I think getting rid of the All-NBA First Teamers is too drastic.


That would be ok. Either way I have mixed feelings on the pool. I think finding enough players could be frustrating. If it's a draft where players like I don't know, Jokic and Ben Wallace go 1st round, it could get pretty ugly fast in following rounds. Another option would be to make all non all-stars available.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#308 » by Fadeaway_J » Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:29 am

Dr Positivity wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:
Dr Positivity wrote:
I don't think LBJ and Shaq are that overpowered. Picking them top 5 means the pool of non lotto players should be pretty bad by the time they get back. And there's plenty of elite exception players available. I think the difference between Kawhi and the 10th best non lotto player is more significant than LBJ vs the 10th best exception

So would you just have a regular exception with no restrictions? I think getting rid of the All-NBA First Teamers is too drastic.


That would be ok. Either way I have mixed feelings on the pool. I think finding enough players could be frustrating. If it's a draft where players like I don't know, Jokic and Ben Wallace go 1st round, it could get pretty ugly fast in following rounds. Another option would be to make all non all-stars available.

Based on my research so far I believe it would work fine with a smaller group of drafters (say 10-12 people). Checking who's eligible would require a bit more effort than usual though.

There a lot of All-Stars and All-NBA guys who typically get ignored because their flaws could be exploited in a normal draft, or because of FGA cost. I think bringing guys like that into the fold would be interesting, but your mileage may vary on that.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#309 » by Dr Positivity » Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:17 am

Fadeaway_J wrote:
Dr Positivity wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:So would you just have a regular exception with no restrictions? I think getting rid of the All-NBA First Teamers is too drastic.


That would be ok. Either way I have mixed feelings on the pool. I think finding enough players could be frustrating. If it's a draft where players like I don't know, Jokic and Ben Wallace go 1st round, it could get pretty ugly fast in following rounds. Another option would be to make all non all-stars available.

Based on my research so far I believe it would work fine with a smaller group of drafters (say 10-12 people). Checking who's eligible would require a bit more effort than usual though.

There a lot of All-Stars and All-NBA guys who typically get ignored because their flaws could be exploited in a normal draft, or because of FGA cost. I think bringing guys like that into the fold would be interesting, but your mileage may vary on that.


Are you planning on starting this next?
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#310 » by Fadeaway_J » Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:35 am

Dr Positivity wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:
Dr Positivity wrote:
That would be ok. Either way I have mixed feelings on the pool. I think finding enough players could be frustrating. If it's a draft where players like I don't know, Jokic and Ben Wallace go 1st round, it could get pretty ugly fast in following rounds. Another option would be to make all non all-stars available.

Based on my research so far I believe it would work fine with a smaller group of drafters (say 10-12 people). Checking who's eligible would require a bit more effort than usual though.

There a lot of All-Stars and All-NBA guys who typically get ignored because their flaws could be exploited in a normal draft, or because of FGA cost. I think bringing guys like that into the fold would be interesting, but your mileage may vary on that.


Are you planning on starting this next?

I suppose so. Not sure what the interest is like but nothing else is going on.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#311 » by Laimbeer » Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:26 am

Geography Draft. Players are associated with their birth state. The birth state of your second player must share a border with your first pick, and so on. You can only use a state once. :eek1:
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Post#312 » by Laimbeer » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:28 pm

Donut draft - no restrictions in rounds 1,2,7,8. No all-stars in 3,4,5,6. Maybe AB BABA BA.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#313 » by janmagn » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:35 pm

Lottery Draft - Only lottery picks are available. Has a lot of top end talent but lacks in role players

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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#314 » by Fadeaway_J » Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:11 pm

Going to throw out something a little different that I've been thinking about for some time. I guess you could call it the Scavenger Hunt Draft.

Basically, you have eight fairly broad categories, and you have to pick a different player for each one.

So for example:

1. A player who played for only one team
2. A player who didn't go to college in the US
3. A player who wasn't drafted in the first round
4. A player with a family member who also played in the NBA

Etc, etc

You can satisfy the categories in any order you want, but they must all be represented on your roster by the end of the draft. Each of your players must fill a different category - you couldn't use Dirk to satisfy 1 and 2 for instance.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#315 » by Laimbeer » Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:09 pm

Fadeaway_J wrote:Going to throw out something a little different that I've been thinking about for some time. I guess you could call it the Scavenger Hunt Draft.

Basically, you have eight fairly broad categories, and you have to pick a different player for each one.

So for example:

1. A player who played for only one team
2. A player who didn't go to college in the US
3. A player who wasn't drafted in the first round
4. A player with a family member who also played in the NBA

Etc, etc

You can satisfy the categories in any order you want, but they must all be represented on your roster by the end of the draft. Each of your players must fill a different category - you couldn't use Dirk to satisfy 1 and 2 for instance.


Great minds think alike! :lol:

Was tinkering with this and came up with some categories, feel free to use any.

Second Rounders
International
Family members
Seven + Franchises
Rookie season
Final season
Forgotten Star
Under 10 FGA
Comments to rationalize bad contracts -
1) It's less than the MLE
2) He can be traded later
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#316 » by Fadeaway_J » Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:32 pm

Laimbeer wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:Going to throw out something a little different that I've been thinking about for some time. I guess you could call it the Scavenger Hunt Draft.

Basically, you have eight fairly broad categories, and you have to pick a different player for each one.

So for example:

1. A player who played for only one team
2. A player who didn't go to college in the US
3. A player who wasn't drafted in the first round
4. A player with a family member who also played in the NBA

Etc, etc

You can satisfy the categories in any order you want, but they must all be represented on your roster by the end of the draft. Each of your players must fill a different category - you couldn't use Dirk to satisfy 1 and 2 for instance.


Great minds think alike! :lol:

Was tinkering with this and came up with some categories, feel free to use any.

Second Rounders
International
Family members
Seven + Franchises
Rookie season
Final season
Forgotten Star
Under 10 FGA

My thought process is that the categories should be broad/simple enough that you could conceivably fill them with any level of player, but also specific enough that you have to use some strategy to ensure you "collect" them all. I would prefer not to restrict the season you have to use though. The Seven + franchise is more along the lines of what I had in mind.

A few more ideas:

- Never played in a Finals game
- Played in the Finals with different teams
- Three or more championships

I'd probably make it mandatory to declare the category when you pick a player - much easier to track that way.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#317 » by 8on » Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:11 pm

I brought up conference finalists a while back.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#318 » by Laimbeer » Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:23 pm

Fadeaway_J wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:Going to throw out something a little different that I've been thinking about for some time. I guess you could call it the Scavenger Hunt Draft.

Basically, you have eight fairly broad categories, and you have to pick a different player for each one.

So for example:

1. A player who played for only one team
2. A player who didn't go to college in the US
3. A player who wasn't drafted in the first round
4. A player with a family member who also played in the NBA

Etc, etc

You can satisfy the categories in any order you want, but they must all be represented on your roster by the end of the draft. Each of your players must fill a different category - you couldn't use Dirk to satisfy 1 and 2 for instance.


Great minds think alike! :lol:

Was tinkering with this and came up with some categories, feel free to use any.

Second Rounders
International
Family members
Seven + Franchises
Rookie season
Final season
Forgotten Star
Under 10 FGA

My thought process is that the categories should be broad/simple enough that you could conceivably fill them with any level of player, but also specific enough that you have to use some strategy to ensure you "collect" them all. I would prefer not to restrict the season you have to use though. The Seven + franchise is more along the lines of what I had in mind.

A few more ideas:

- Never played in a Finals game
- Played in the Finals with different teams
- Three or more championships

I'd probably make it mandatory to declare the category when you pick a player - much easier to track that way.


Make it so.
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3) It's only __% of the cap
4) The cap is going up
5) It's only __ years
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#319 » by Fadeaway_J » Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:25 am

Laimbeer wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:
Great minds think alike! :lol:

Was tinkering with this and came up with some categories, feel free to use any.

Second Rounders
International
Family members
Seven + Franchises
Rookie season
Final season
Forgotten Star
Under 10 FGA

My thought process is that the categories should be broad/simple enough that you could conceivably fill them with any level of player, but also specific enough that you have to use some strategy to ensure you "collect" them all. I would prefer not to restrict the season you have to use though. The Seven + franchise is more along the lines of what I had in mind.

A few more ideas:

- Never played in a Finals game
- Played in the Finals with different teams
- Three or more championships

I'd probably make it mandatory to declare the category when you pick a player - much easier to track that way.


Make it so.

I'll probably give it a go on the weekend - can't take it on before then.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#320 » by Dr Positivity » Sat Jun 30, 2018 2:08 am

The undesirables draft - you have to draft at least one of a set list of regularly undrafted stars - Iverson, Carmelo, Francis, Arenas, Amare, Derozan, etc. They must be picked in all star season, started and played the same minutes as that year
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