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Who would you rather take at 16 if one of these guys slipped?

Collin Sexton
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Miles Bridges
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Re: The Draft Thread 3: #1 Pick Discussion 

Post#981 » by Jstock12 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 1:39 pm

bondom34 wrote:
TheLogician wrote:
Damkac wrote:So why Doncic haters compare him to every bust from Europe in history?


It probably has to do with the insane amount of hype surrounding him. He played with the same club for six years, and while he delivered, there are concerns about his shooting, athleticism, point skills, and transition to the NBA. I don't think it's fair to compare him to busts but calling Doncic a "prodigy" and "wonderboy" should wait until he proves himself at the highest level of basketball.

From the same angle, we've seen less of other prospects at a lower level, and they're being hyped as the top pick too.


Yes - Euro players want to get hyped too! Americans please share the spotlight! :lol:
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Post#982 » by BobbieL » Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:23 pm

Bjorpa wrote:Team fit shouldn't count unless the two prospects are seen as equall value.

I see Doncic as better value, since I think combining him with Jackson and Booker will make us very difficult to defend.

But:
If we take Ayton, I can se many avenues for us to get a lead ball handler to make us better
- Trade for Kemba, using Chriss, Warren or Bender + #16
- Trade for Ball+ Deng.
- Trade for Beverley (if healthy)

If we take Doncic, it is more complicated to get a solid sstarting C
- We might draft Robinson or Mitchell at 16, even if they haven't ben to workouts.
- We could try to sign Capela under the max (likely matched) or Jordan or Noel. None of who contribute much ofensively.

Are there any trades that would land us our center of the future? Or do we believe Chriss or Bender can do a job there?


I think the team is taking Ayton. Bordow had another article today - granted it was all positive quotes about Ayton but just seems like he is the guy

I do not mind Kemba but I am still calling Riley this week and seeing if Dragic is available for Dudley, Williams and Ulis plus the 31st pick - if Riley/Heat are rebuilding. I am tempted for Dragic to give up the 16 but start with the 31st pick. Williams and Ulis are waived so the Heat would just be on the hook for Dudley at 9.5 - who easily can be bought out to save more money.

I looked at other Heat contracts: not touching Whiteside , Johnson has too many years left for the money, Richardson, Waiters -- Olynyk has three years left but is reasonable comparatively - but why would they do say Warren for Olynyk. Unless Riley wanted Chandler for Olynyk to get the expiring to start the rebuild quicker
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Re: The Draft Thread 3: #1 Pick Discussion 

Post#983 » by kennydorglas » Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:28 pm

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kennydorglas wrote:Another red flag for Jahlil Ayton.

Yup, his tipping rating is even worse than his block rating. It doesn't get any worse than this.


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Re: The Draft Thread 3: #1 Pick Discussion 

Post#984 » by starbosa10 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:18 pm

https://sports.yahoo.com/luka-doncic-might-safest-pick-nba-draft-144228512.html

Luka Doncic envisions his potential first moments in the NBA, driving down the lane and dunking over an NBA icon. Doncic is a 6-foot-8 playmaking prodigy out of Slovenia, perhaps the most decorated European-to-NBA prospect whose favorite player is LeBron James. He’s four days from becoming one of the top picks in the 2018 NBA draft and will soon be able to turn his dreams into an American reality.

“If I dunk on LeBron, I can retire,” Doncic told Yahoo Sports by phone, laughing.

“I’m kidding, but no, no, of course I want to bring my personality to the States.”

Doncic has dazzled with his scoring and passing, with a bravado that made him the EuroLeague MVP and EuroLeague Final Four MVP. He has positioned himself to be a top draft selection, and the Phoenix Suns, Sacramento Kings and Atlanta Hawks have each traveled to Europe late in Doncic’s season to meet him, league sources said.


Doncic carried himself with confidence since joining Real Madrid’s junior team in 2012, then joined the powerhouse EuroLeague club in 2014. He’s played high-level organized basketball since he was 8. For some teams in the lottery, questions, albeit faint, remain about Doncic’s ability to adapt to the NBA’s athleticism and pace, but his pedigree suggests he will translate. He has the frame to play point guard through small forward — and maybe even power forward at times. In a draft dominated by big men, Doncic has the potential to be the best playmaker who can elevate the play of his teammates.

To that end, Doncic, 19, is adamant about which position he desires to play in the NBA.

“Honestly, I really prefer to play point guard, to have the ball in my hands and play for other people,” Doncic told Yahoo Sports. “Playing from the one to the four, that’s the strength that I have over everyone. I want to play for my teammates and make them better. I really prefer to have the ball in my hands, and play for everybody else. I will do anything for my team. I’m happy when I can play point. It’s easier for me. I can fight more in the post and create for my teammates.

“From the beginning when I came to Real Madrid, I saw that I loved to create for others. I like to play pick-and-roll with the ball and pass from everywhere. From the beginning, I wanted to be the point guard.”


His leadership permeates off the floor, too, and Doncic has relished the team meals and practices during his time with Real Madrid. Doncic has the potential to reset a team’s culture after his accomplished professional career and isn’t hampered by the questions that often surround typical Euro prospects.

“That’s an advantage for me over everyone,” Doncic told Yahoo Sports. “To play in the Euroleague, they have a lot of ex-NBA players and I have gained a lot of experience. Especially after this year, I had a good season. I’ll be able to adjust because in the NBA, it’s not easier to score … but it’s different. In Europe, for example, the difference can be the three-second rule and there’s only so much spacing. In the NBA, there’s more physicality, more spacing, and that is my advantage, too.

“When I go on the court, I enjoy it. I’m a team player and I like to be with my guys. When we go to dinner, we go whole team — I like that. My mom [Mirjam Poterbin] has been an important part of my life, my grandmother and everybody in my family. I know I have a great family and friends, and they will always help me on this new journey. I’ll enjoy challenging myself in the NBA.”

Phoenix is expected to select Arizona’s Deandre Ayton at No. 1. Sacramento has long been intrigued by Doncic, but has De’Aaron Fox as its point guard of the future, and league sources said the Kings have targeted a perimeter big throughout the pre-draft process, bringing in Duke’s Marvin Bagley III for a workout. Missouri’s Michael Porter Jr. had an MRI on his hip return clean this week, and his placement in the draft’s top 10 will be a significant factor Thursday.
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Re: The Draft Thread 3: #1 Pick Discussion 

Post#985 » by Archx » Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:30 pm

Ugh can't wait for the draft.... c'mon 3 days....

Looks like him and Fox could have problems in Sacramento, really curios to see if Divac has the balls to draft him.
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Post#986 » by NTB » Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:34 pm

http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/23794672/2018-nba-mock-draft-which-prospect-every-team-take

Very cool mock draft. Click on players to open info & predictions. However if you use adblock it doesn't work.

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Re: The Draft Thread 3: #1 Pick Discussion 

Post#987 » by bwgood77 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:52 pm

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TheLogician wrote:Also, I don't fault European fans for the hype at all. It's natural to be excited about a player you've watched excel for years. I'm talking about the major sports outlets like ESPN/Draft Express, SB Nation, Ringer, etc. These "draft analysts" want to build intrigue with updating mock drafts that drive visitors to their sites. FWIW, the vast majority of high school and college analysts have Ayton #1. Given Givony's most recent tweet that Doncic is sliding, it seems front offices feel similarly. It's really only a debate amongst fans, draft "experts," and international evaluators. This is significant since most high-end NBA talent comes from the HS/AAU/NCAA ranks.

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The draft analysts Like Givony, Kevin O'Connor, the staff at TheStepien, also need people to return to their sites.

If they hype unwarranted prospects people would stop valuing their opinion, so i feel your point is a bit simplistic.

I feel the difference between evaluators is more on what they value the most, just like with us. Some value build/athleticism the most (potential), some value production, some value shooting, defence or BBIQ. We all value a combination, but emphasize different traits.


Those guys do hype unwarranted prospects every year and many fans don't value their opinions as a result. Again, I'm not saying Doncic doesn't deserve attention and appreciation. It's the over-the-top adulation from professionals that I'm criticizing.


I feel Ayton receives a lot of over-the-top adulation from professionals too. Is that different though?
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Re: The Draft Thread 3: #1 Pick Discussion 

Post#988 » by bwgood77 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:55 pm

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kennydorglas wrote:Another red flag for Jahlil Ayton.

Yup, his tipping rating is even worse than his block rating. It doesn't get any worse than this.


Yep, a 4% tip rate is WELL below average, even for the average person, particularly with service for bills in excess of $250.
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Post#989 » by BobbieL » Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:59 pm

Archx wrote:Ugh can't wait for the draft.... c'mon 3 days....

Looks like him and Fox could have problems in Sacramento, really curios to see if Divac has the balls to draft him.


Stein - who I think is pretty good - tweeted today that MJP is still in play at number 2 for the Kings

If that's the case - that could lead a phone call with the Suns and Grizz for number 4 as more than likely,. Bagley would go three to the Hawks.
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Re: The Draft Thread 3: #1 Pick Discussion 

Post#990 » by Saberestar » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:02 pm

BobbieL wrote:
Bjorpa wrote:Team fit shouldn't count unless the two prospects are seen as equall value.

I see Doncic as better value, since I think combining him with Jackson and Booker will make us very difficult to defend.

But:
If we take Ayton, I can se many avenues for us to get a lead ball handler to make us better
- Trade for Kemba, using Chriss, Warren or Bender + #16
- Trade for Ball+ Deng.
- Trade for Beverley (if healthy)

If we take Doncic, it is more complicated to get a solid sstarting C
- We might draft Robinson or Mitchell at 16, even if they haven't ben to workouts.
- We could try to sign Capela under the max (likely matched) or Jordan or Noel. None of who contribute much ofensively.

Are there any trades that would land us our center of the future? Or do we believe Chriss or Bender can do a job there?


I think the team is taking Ayton. Bordow had another article today - granted it was all positive quotes about Ayton but just seems like he is the guy

I do not mind Kemba but I am still calling Riley this week and seeing if Dragic is available for Dudley, Williams and Ulis plus the 31st pick - if Riley/Heat are rebuilding. I am tempted for Dragic to give up the 16 but start with the 31st pick. Williams and Ulis are waived so the Heat would just be on the hook for Dudley at 9.5 - who easily can be bought out to save more money.

I looked at other Heat contracts: not touching Whiteside , Johnson has too many years left for the money, Richardson, Waiters -- Olynyk has three years left but is reasonable comparatively - but why would they do say Warren for Olynyk. Unless Riley wanted Chandler for Olynyk to get the expiring to start the rebuild quicker

Pat Riley never rebuilds.

If they trade Dragic they are gonna want good value for him.
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Re: The Draft Thread 3: #1 Pick Discussion 

Post#991 » by Archx » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:14 pm

With the first pick of the 2018 nba draft the Phoenix suns select Li Angelo Ball from Chinese prison.

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Post#992 » by Saberestar » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:20 pm

“This guy is the revisitation of Steve Nash,” Duffy said. “The talent, the work ethic, the team mindset, you would hate to be the one to pass on Luka. He has played in a physical setting for years and has dismantled NBA guys. He has a DNA to him and checks all of the boxes.”

“I think Luka is a dream prospect,” Nash told Yahoo Sports. “Big and mobile enough in the modern game and can guard multiple positions. He has a skillset, a winning mentality and leadership qualities.”

Ask Doncic of the comparisons to Nash, and you can hear the excitement in his voice.

“I see that from myself, to be like Steve Nash,” Doncic told Yahoo Sports. “But man, to be like Steve Nash I need to work so much. I like to see my teammates play better. I like to elevate them, and I know Steve Nash did that. It’s different to compare me to an NBA player like him because that is such a great, great level.

“My favorite player is LeBron. He’s just amazing — he can play from one through four, maybe even the five.”

Doncic paused for a moment.

“I wouldn’t mind LeBron as my comparison, actually,” he said with a laugh.
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Post#993 » by NTB » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:22 pm

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“This guy is the revisitation of Steve Nash,” Duffy said. “The talent, the work ethic, the team mindset, you would hate to be the one to pass on Luka. He has played in a physical setting for years and has dismantled NBA guys. He has a DNA to him and checks all of the boxes.”

“I think Luka is a dream prospect,” Nash told Yahoo Sports. “Big and mobile enough in the modern game and can guard multiple positions. He has a skillset, a winning mentality and leadership qualities.”

Ask Doncic of the comparisons to Nash, and you can hear the excitement in his voice.

“I see that from myself, to be like Steve Nash,” Doncic told Yahoo Sports. “But man, to be like Steve Nash I need to work so much. I like to see my teammates play better. I like to elevate them, and I know Steve Nash did that. It’s different to compare me to an NBA player like him because that is such a great, great level.

“My favorite player is LeBron. He’s just amazing — he can play from one through four, maybe even the five.”

Doncic paused for a moment.

“I wouldn’t mind LeBron as my comparison, actually,” he said with a laugh.


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Re: The Draft Thread 3: #1 Pick Discussion 

Post#994 » by bwgood77 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:26 pm

Bjorpa wrote:Team fit shouldn't count unless the two prospects are seen as equall value.

I see Doncic as better value, since I think combining him with Jackson and Booker will make us very difficult to defend.

But:
If we take Ayton, I can se many avenues for us to get a lead ball handler to make us better
- Trade for Kemba, using Chriss, Warren or Bender + #16
- Trade for Ball+ Deng.
- Trade for Beverley (if healthy)

If we take Doncic, it is more complicated to get a solid sstarting C
- We might draft Robinson or Mitchell at 16, even if they haven't ben to workouts.
- We could try to sign Capela under the max (likely matched) or Jordan or Noel. None of who contribute much ofensively.

Are there any trades that would land us our center of the future? Or do we believe Chriss or Bender can do a job there?


This is an interesting article that talks about how even if you just use a replacement level center these days, they contribute MUCH more to team success than if you try to do that at any other position. Plus they are becoming dirt cheap these days...

Look at the chart about 3/4 down the page...

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23795646/2018-nba-draft-centers-deandre-ayton-marvin-bagley-easily-replaceable

Of course Ayton would be on a rookie contract for now, but would likely end up being paid a lot in the future if he is as good as we all hope.
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Re: The Draft Thread 3: #1 Pick Discussion 

Post#995 » by bwgood77 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:33 pm

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Spoiler:
https://sports.yahoo.com/luka-doncic-might-safest-pick-nba-draft-144228512.html

Luka Doncic envisions his potential first moments in the NBA, driving down the lane and dunking over an NBA icon. Doncic is a 6-foot-8 playmaking prodigy out of Slovenia, perhaps the most decorated European-to-NBA prospect whose favorite player is LeBron James. He’s four days from becoming one of the top picks in the 2018 NBA draft and will soon be able to turn his dreams into an American reality.

“If I dunk on LeBron, I can retire,” Doncic told Yahoo Sports by phone, laughing.

“I’m kidding, but no, no, of course I want to bring my personality to the States.”

Doncic has dazzled with his scoring and passing, with a bravado that made him the EuroLeague MVP and EuroLeague Final Four MVP. He has positioned himself to be a top draft selection, and the Phoenix Suns, Sacramento Kings and Atlanta Hawks have each traveled to Europe late in Doncic’s season to meet him, league sources said.


Doncic carried himself with confidence since joining Real Madrid’s junior team in 2012, then joined the powerhouse EuroLeague club in 2014. He’s played high-level organized basketball since he was 8. For some teams in the lottery, questions, albeit faint, remain about Doncic’s ability to adapt to the NBA’s athleticism and pace, but his pedigree suggests he will translate. He has the frame to play point guard through small forward — and maybe even power forward at times. In a draft dominated by big men, Doncic has the potential to be the best playmaker who can elevate the play of his teammates.

To that end, Doncic, 19, is adamant about which position he desires to play in the NBA.

“Honestly, I really prefer to play point guard, to have the ball in my hands and play for other people,” Doncic told Yahoo Sports. “Playing from the one to the four, that’s the strength that I have over everyone. I want to play for my teammates and make them better. I really prefer to have the ball in my hands, and play for everybody else. I will do anything for my team. I’m happy when I can play point. It’s easier for me. I can fight more in the post and create for my teammates.

“From the beginning when I came to Real Madrid, I saw that I loved to create for others. I like to play pick-and-roll with the ball and pass from everywhere. From the beginning, I wanted to be the point guard.”


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His leadership permeates off the floor, too, and Doncic has relished the team meals and practices during his time with Real Madrid. Doncic has the potential to reset a team’s culture after his accomplished professional career and isn’t hampered by the questions that often surround typical Euro prospects.

“That’s an advantage for me over everyone,” Doncic told Yahoo Sports. “To play in the Euroleague, they have a lot of ex-NBA players and I have gained a lot of experience. Especially after this year, I had a good season. I’ll be able to adjust because in the NBA, it’s not easier to score … but it’s different. In Europe, for example, the difference can be the three-second rule and there’s only so much spacing. In the NBA, there’s more physicality, more spacing, and that is my advantage, too.

“When I go on the court, I enjoy it. I’m a team player and I like to be with my guys. When we go to dinner, we go whole team — I like that. My mom [Mirjam Poterbin] has been an important part of my life, my grandmother and everybody in my family. I know I have a great family and friends, and they will always help me on this new journey. I’ll enjoy challenging myself in the NBA.”

Phoenix is expected to select Arizona’s Deandre Ayton at No. 1. Sacramento has long been intrigued by Doncic, but has De’Aaron Fox as its point guard of the future, and league sources said the Kings have targeted a perimeter big throughout the pre-draft process, bringing in Duke’s Marvin Bagley III for a workout. Missouri’s Michael Porter Jr. had an MRI on his hip return clean this week, and his placement in the draft’s top 10 will be a significant factor Thursday.


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Post#996 » by Mjee » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:33 pm

If luka drops to 3-5 ......I bet we trade most of our assets for him, netting luka and ayton
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Post#997 » by bwgood77 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:35 pm

NTB wrote:
Saberestar wrote:
“This guy is the revisitation of Steve Nash,” Duffy said. “The talent, the work ethic, the team mindset, you would hate to be the one to pass on Luka. He has played in a physical setting for years and has dismantled NBA guys. He has a DNA to him and checks all of the boxes.”

“I think Luka is a dream prospect,” Nash told Yahoo Sports. “Big and mobile enough in the modern game and can guard multiple positions. He has a skillset, a winning mentality and leadership qualities.”

Ask Doncic of the comparisons to Nash, and you can hear the excitement in his voice.

“I see that from myself, to be like Steve Nash,” Doncic told Yahoo Sports. “But man, to be like Steve Nash I need to work so much. I like to see my teammates play better. I like to elevate them, and I know Steve Nash did that. It’s different to compare me to an NBA player like him because that is such a great, great level.

“My favorite player is LeBron. He’s just amazing — he can play from one through four, maybe even the five.”

Doncic paused for a moment.

“I wouldn’t mind LeBron as my comparison, actually,” he said with a laugh.


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Post#998 » by BobbieL » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:37 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
starbosa10 wrote:
Spoiler:
https://sports.yahoo.com/luka-doncic-might-safest-pick-nba-draft-144228512.html

Luka Doncic envisions his potential first moments in the NBA, driving down the lane and dunking over an NBA icon. Doncic is a 6-foot-8 playmaking prodigy out of Slovenia, perhaps the most decorated European-to-NBA prospect whose favorite player is LeBron James. He’s four days from becoming one of the top picks in the 2018 NBA draft and will soon be able to turn his dreams into an American reality.

“If I dunk on LeBron, I can retire,” Doncic told Yahoo Sports by phone, laughing.

“I’m kidding, but no, no, of course I want to bring my personality to the States.”

Doncic has dazzled with his scoring and passing, with a bravado that made him the EuroLeague MVP and EuroLeague Final Four MVP. He has positioned himself to be a top draft selection, and the Phoenix Suns, Sacramento Kings and Atlanta Hawks have each traveled to Europe late in Doncic’s season to meet him, league sources said.


Doncic carried himself with confidence since joining Real Madrid’s junior team in 2012, then joined the powerhouse EuroLeague club in 2014. He’s played high-level organized basketball since he was 8. For some teams in the lottery, questions, albeit faint, remain about Doncic’s ability to adapt to the NBA’s athleticism and pace, but his pedigree suggests he will translate. He has the frame to play point guard through small forward — and maybe even power forward at times. In a draft dominated by big men, Doncic has the potential to be the best playmaker who can elevate the play of his teammates.

To that end, Doncic, 19, is adamant about which position he desires to play in the NBA.

“Honestly, I really prefer to play point guard, to have the ball in my hands and play for other people,” Doncic told Yahoo Sports. “Playing from the one to the four, that’s the strength that I have over everyone. I want to play for my teammates and make them better. I really prefer to have the ball in my hands, and play for everybody else. I will do anything for my team. I’m happy when I can play point. It’s easier for me. I can fight more in the post and create for my teammates.

“From the beginning when I came to Real Madrid, I saw that I loved to create for others. I like to play pick-and-roll with the ball and pass from everywhere. From the beginning, I wanted to be the point guard.”


Spoiler:
His leadership permeates off the floor, too, and Doncic has relished the team meals and practices during his time with Real Madrid. Doncic has the potential to reset a team’s culture after his accomplished professional career and isn’t hampered by the questions that often surround typical Euro prospects.

“That’s an advantage for me over everyone,” Doncic told Yahoo Sports. “To play in the Euroleague, they have a lot of ex-NBA players and I have gained a lot of experience. Especially after this year, I had a good season. I’ll be able to adjust because in the NBA, it’s not easier to score … but it’s different. In Europe, for example, the difference can be the three-second rule and there’s only so much spacing. In the NBA, there’s more physicality, more spacing, and that is my advantage, too.

“When I go on the court, I enjoy it. I’m a team player and I like to be with my guys. When we go to dinner, we go whole team — I like that. My mom [Mirjam Poterbin] has been an important part of my life, my grandmother and everybody in my family. I know I have a great family and friends, and they will always help me on this new journey. I’ll enjoy challenging myself in the NBA.”

Phoenix is expected to select Arizona’s Deandre Ayton at No. 1. Sacramento has long been intrigued by Doncic, but has De’Aaron Fox as its point guard of the future, and league sources said the Kings have targeted a perimeter big throughout the pre-draft process, bringing in Duke’s Marvin Bagley III for a workout. Missouri’s Michael Porter Jr. had an MRI on his hip return clean this week, and his placement in the draft’s top 10 will be a significant factor Thursday.


I like that part.


if you get Doncic - wouldn't a guy like Smart or a real defensive Guard make sense
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Re: The Draft Thread 3: #1 Pick Discussion 

Post#999 » by bwgood77 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:40 pm

BobbieL wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
starbosa10 wrote:
Spoiler:
https://sports.yahoo.com/luka-doncic-might-safest-pick-nba-draft-144228512.html

Luka Doncic envisions his potential first moments in the NBA, driving down the lane and dunking over an NBA icon. Doncic is a 6-foot-8 playmaking prodigy out of Slovenia, perhaps the most decorated European-to-NBA prospect whose favorite player is LeBron James. He’s four days from becoming one of the top picks in the 2018 NBA draft and will soon be able to turn his dreams into an American reality.

“If I dunk on LeBron, I can retire,” Doncic told Yahoo Sports by phone, laughing.

“I’m kidding, but no, no, of course I want to bring my personality to the States.”

Doncic has dazzled with his scoring and passing, with a bravado that made him the EuroLeague MVP and EuroLeague Final Four MVP. He has positioned himself to be a top draft selection, and the Phoenix Suns, Sacramento Kings and Atlanta Hawks have each traveled to Europe late in Doncic’s season to meet him, league sources said.


Doncic carried himself with confidence since joining Real Madrid’s junior team in 2012, then joined the powerhouse EuroLeague club in 2014. He’s played high-level organized basketball since he was 8. For some teams in the lottery, questions, albeit faint, remain about Doncic’s ability to adapt to the NBA’s athleticism and pace, but his pedigree suggests he will translate. He has the frame to play point guard through small forward — and maybe even power forward at times. In a draft dominated by big men, Doncic has the potential to be the best playmaker who can elevate the play of his teammates.

To that end, Doncic, 19, is adamant about which position he desires to play in the NBA.

“Honestly, I really prefer to play point guard, to have the ball in my hands and play for other people,” Doncic told Yahoo Sports. “Playing from the one to the four, that’s the strength that I have over everyone. I want to play for my teammates and make them better. I really prefer to have the ball in my hands, and play for everybody else. I will do anything for my team. I’m happy when I can play point. It’s easier for me. I can fight more in the post and create for my teammates.

“From the beginning when I came to Real Madrid, I saw that I loved to create for others. I like to play pick-and-roll with the ball and pass from everywhere. From the beginning, I wanted to be the point guard.”


Spoiler:
His leadership permeates off the floor, too, and Doncic has relished the team meals and practices during his time with Real Madrid. Doncic has the potential to reset a team’s culture after his accomplished professional career and isn’t hampered by the questions that often surround typical Euro prospects.

“That’s an advantage for me over everyone,” Doncic told Yahoo Sports. “To play in the Euroleague, they have a lot of ex-NBA players and I have gained a lot of experience. Especially after this year, I had a good season. I’ll be able to adjust because in the NBA, it’s not easier to score … but it’s different. In Europe, for example, the difference can be the three-second rule and there’s only so much spacing. In the NBA, there’s more physicality, more spacing, and that is my advantage, too.

“When I go on the court, I enjoy it. I’m a team player and I like to be with my guys. When we go to dinner, we go whole team — I like that. My mom [Mirjam Poterbin] has been an important part of my life, my grandmother and everybody in my family. I know I have a great family and friends, and they will always help me on this new journey. I’ll enjoy challenging myself in the NBA.”

Phoenix is expected to select Arizona’s Deandre Ayton at No. 1. Sacramento has long been intrigued by Doncic, but has De’Aaron Fox as its point guard of the future, and league sources said the Kings have targeted a perimeter big throughout the pre-draft process, bringing in Duke’s Marvin Bagley III for a workout. Missouri’s Michael Porter Jr. had an MRI on his hip return clean this week, and his placement in the draft’s top 10 will be a significant factor Thursday.


I like that part.


if you get Doncic - wouldn't a guy like Smart or a real defensive Guard make sense


Maybe, but we already have Harrison if we want to keep him. He was really valuable on defense when we had him. It's very hard to score positive on RPM on a bad team, particularly a really bad one....but you can see his rank here... http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM/position/1

Smart would cost too much and is too much of a black hole on offense to commit much money to.
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Re: The Draft Thread 3: #1 Pick Discussion 

Post#1000 » by matt131 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:56 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
starbosa10 wrote:
Spoiler:
https://sports.yahoo.com/luka-doncic-might-safest-pick-nba-draft-144228512.html

Luka Doncic envisions his potential first moments in the NBA, driving down the lane and dunking over an NBA icon. Doncic is a 6-foot-8 playmaking prodigy out of Slovenia, perhaps the most decorated European-to-NBA prospect whose favorite player is LeBron James. He’s four days from becoming one of the top picks in the 2018 NBA draft and will soon be able to turn his dreams into an American reality.

“If I dunk on LeBron, I can retire,” Doncic told Yahoo Sports by phone, laughing.

“I’m kidding, but no, no, of course I want to bring my personality to the States.”

Doncic has dazzled with his scoring and passing, with a bravado that made him the EuroLeague MVP and EuroLeague Final Four MVP. He has positioned himself to be a top draft selection, and the Phoenix Suns, Sacramento Kings and Atlanta Hawks have each traveled to Europe late in Doncic’s season to meet him, league sources said.


Doncic carried himself with confidence since joining Real Madrid’s junior team in 2012, then joined the powerhouse EuroLeague club in 2014. He’s played high-level organized basketball since he was 8. For some teams in the lottery, questions, albeit faint, remain about Doncic’s ability to adapt to the NBA’s athleticism and pace, but his pedigree suggests he will translate. He has the frame to play point guard through small forward — and maybe even power forward at times. In a draft dominated by big men, Doncic has the potential to be the best playmaker who can elevate the play of his teammates.

To that end, Doncic, 19, is adamant about which position he desires to play in the NBA.

“Honestly, I really prefer to play point guard, to have the ball in my hands and play for other people,” Doncic told Yahoo Sports. “Playing from the one to the four, that’s the strength that I have over everyone. I want to play for my teammates and make them better. I really prefer to have the ball in my hands, and play for everybody else. I will do anything for my team. I’m happy when I can play point. It’s easier for me. I can fight more in the post and create for my teammates.

“From the beginning when I came to Real Madrid, I saw that I loved to create for others. I like to play pick-and-roll with the ball and pass from everywhere. From the beginning, I wanted to be the point guard.”


Spoiler:
His leadership permeates off the floor, too, and Doncic has relished the team meals and practices during his time with Real Madrid. Doncic has the potential to reset a team’s culture after his accomplished professional career and isn’t hampered by the questions that often surround typical Euro prospects.

“That’s an advantage for me over everyone,” Doncic told Yahoo Sports. “To play in the Euroleague, they have a lot of ex-NBA players and I have gained a lot of experience. Especially after this year, I had a good season. I’ll be able to adjust because in the NBA, it’s not easier to score … but it’s different. In Europe, for example, the difference can be the three-second rule and there’s only so much spacing. In the NBA, there’s more physicality, more spacing, and that is my advantage, too.

“When I go on the court, I enjoy it. I’m a team player and I like to be with my guys. When we go to dinner, we go whole team — I like that. My mom [Mirjam Poterbin] has been an important part of my life, my grandmother and everybody in my family. I know I have a great family and friends, and they will always help me on this new journey. I’ll enjoy challenging myself in the NBA.”

Phoenix is expected to select Arizona’s Deandre Ayton at No. 1. Sacramento has long been intrigued by Doncic, but has De’Aaron Fox as its point guard of the future, and league sources said the Kings have targeted a perimeter big throughout the pre-draft process, bringing in Duke’s Marvin Bagley III for a workout. Missouri’s Michael Porter Jr. had an MRI on his hip return clean this week, and his placement in the draft’s top 10 will be a significant factor Thursday.


I like that part.


Yeah the fact that he actually wants to play point guard makes me like him even more. Still prefer him over Ayton.

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