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NBA Draft 2018 6.0: Lucky #7 and 22.

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Young
27
16%
Carter
42
25%
Porter
75
44%
Bridges
15
9%
Knox
6
4%
Sexton
5
3%
 
Total votes: 170

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Re: NBA Draft 2018 6.0: Lucky #7 and 22. 

Post#321 » by IliketheBullsNBearstoo » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:29 pm

bad knees wrote:
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MisterRoy wrote:If Sacto wants him at 2, let them take the risk. If they don't, Dallas is going to force us to trade up.


It's possible we wait to see who SAC picks, with a potential deal on the table with Memphis depending on who the Kings pick. If the Kings pick Donic, we know that there is less of a chance of Bagley/JJJ/Bamba sliding to #7. This is making the assumption that Pax wants one of those three and not MPJ/Young. Personally, I think Pax wants Bamba or Bagley.


Ideal scenario:

Ayton
Porter
Young

Then the Bulls trade for 4/Parsons (while keeping 7) and take Doncic. This would leave Bagley, Bamba and JJJ on the board, with only DAL and ORL ahead of us. DAL would likely take Bagley, meaning that we would get either Bamba or JJJ.

Then take a wing 3&D defender at 22 to start at SG, pushing LaVine to his highest and best use: 6th man.

Dunn
Evans/LaVine
Doncic
Lauri
JJJ


Dream big :lol:
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Re: NBA Draft 2018 6.0: Lucky #7 and 22. 

Post#322 » by tunit213 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:32 pm

I whole heartily trust Pax to find us not only a stud at 7 but a gem at 22. I think they have been one of the better drafting franchises in the NBA. Lets look at the Warriors for a sec who are basically a dynasty right now. The only players they scored on we’re Curry, Thompson, and Green. And some what Barnes. All their other players have really been busts really. They just drafted 2 allstars. A generational talent, and got lucky that Durant decided to come over. Who else have they drafted worth talking about? Patrick McCaw? Damien Jones? Kevon Looney? Festus Ezeli? Ogden Kuzmic? Charles Jenkins? Ekpe Udoh? Anthony Randolph? Those are some horrible picks of this decade.

If you trace it all the way back to when Pax and some of Gar picks took over it’s a pretty good resume of players:

Hinrich
Gordon
Deng
Rose
Nocioni
Gibson
Noah
Butler
Mirotic
Markkanen
Portis
Valentine

I mean come on considering no GM is 100 percent that is a pretty impressive list of players. That’s pretty close to an average of one good player a year Pax has drafted since he’s been here.
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Re: NBA Draft 2018 6.0: Lucky #7 and 22. 

Post#323 » by VolumePoster » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:33 pm

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If that happens, I hope Trae goes #3...Now we'll have one of Bagley, Bamba, JJJ, and Luka fall into our laps.


Please let it be so. Except those are the two guys who I see being available!
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Re: NBA Draft 2018 6.0: Lucky #7 and 22. 

Post#324 » by NewEra21 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:33 pm

Mo Bamba was on Get Up this morning talking about wanting to visit all the continents and that he only has Europe and Africa to go. I don't want to call the kid a liar, but when in his 20 year old existence has he found the time to visit Antarctica? lol
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Re: NBA Draft 2018 6.0: Lucky #7 and 22. 

Post#325 » by Big Pippen » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:35 pm

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tunit213 wrote:https://theathletic.com/395660/2018/06/18/finch-returns-nba-scouts-give-their-brutally-honest-takes-about-this-years-top-draft-prospects/


Man, I said JJJ reminds me of a guy with the ability to be in the KG convo and got laughed out the building on here lol.

but yeah, MPJ isn't falling to #7.


Terms like "can guard positions 1-5" get thrown around so often, that when a guy comes along that can actually do it, people don't think it is that big a deal. But KG, Giannis, and LeBron are really the only three I can think of that will do it.

If JJJ has that type of defensive versatility AND can shoot well enough to be a functional offensive piece... that is a hell of a player.
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Re: NBA Draft 2018 6.0: Lucky #7 and 22. 

Post#326 » by blicka » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:35 pm

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tunit213 wrote:https://theathletic.com/395660/2018/06/18/finch-returns-nba-scouts-give-their-brutally-honest-takes-about-this-years-top-draft-prospects/

Michael Porter Jr., 6-10 freshman forward, Missouri. “He might be the No. 1 pick if he played all year. He just puts the ball in the basket at a high level. He’s a 6-10 athlete who can shoot it and play above the rim. Has every physical quality there is. Defense will be an issue. Obviously the back is a concern, so you have to see if his medical checks out. I was at his pro day in Chicago and he was good. He was flying all over the place. The dude doesn’t miss. He had some of his pop and explosion back. I worry about him making plays for others. I don’t think he’s the toughest guy. One concern I have is that he’s a vegan and his body is not developed.”


Jaren Jackson Jr., 6-11 freshman forward, Michigan State. “All-star player. Reminds me of Kevin Garnett. Guys like him are so rare – they can make 3s and guard 1 through 5. He’s just a puppy. He’s got to clear up his ability to play without fouling. He’s not great with his back to the basket. I’ve seen some segments in a game where his motor was off the charts, and I’ve seen games where I didn’t know he was on the court. Maybe he’s just not a killer. He’s got great upside because he’s still thin. In three years he’s not going to look at all like he looks today.”


Mohamed Bamba, 7-foot freshman center, Texas. “There may never be another human being/basketball player like him physically. He’s going to be able to make shots eventually. I don’t think he has a crazy work ethic, but obviously he’s a super smart kid. Look at Rudy Gobert – he couldn’t shoot like Bamba at this age. At least he can step out and shoot a 15-footer. Defensively he’s going to be a game-changer from the get-go. The concerns I have are just his motor, his durability, his toughness. He has other interests. Is he passionate about the game? It’s not about his talent. It’s about his willingness to play 82 games night after night.”


Wendell Carter Jr., 6-10 freshman forward, Duke. “He’s really good. I think he could be Al Horford, someone who does a little of everything. He’s big, he’s physical, he can make 3s, he can pass, you can play through him on the block. The only question is defending in pick-and-roll and defending in space. I don’t think he has great feet for that. He needs to continue to stretch that ball. If he can shoot from 3 in the NBA, that would make him a hell of a player. You’ll see more of his game now that he’s out of Duke. He was kind of the third option behind Grayson [Allen] and [Marvin] Bagley.”


Thank you for sharing -- anything on Trae Young?


Trae Young, 6-2 freshman guard, Oklahoma. “Elite vision and shot-making. He’s going to be able to come in and get 15 to 18 points a game. He didn’t guard anyone this year. That’s partly because he wasn’t asked to, because he had to play the whole game. It’s harder to hide a guy defensively who’s 6-2. He has a cockiness and arrogance to him, which I think is good. I think he’s a better passer than Steph at this point in his life. Their team was pretty average at the end of the year, but that wasn’t his fault. They didn’t have any players. I’m amazed he averaged as many assists as he did. Yeah, he’s little, but he’s got great escapability. Can he handle adversity? At times this year when it wasn’t going well, I didn’t like his body language. I thought he went into a shell. His stats in Big 12 games were hugely different than the games leading up to that. Like two different players.”



Spoiler:
1. Trae Young
The Bulls invested a lot of money, anguish and roster turnover to install Fred Hoiberg as the coach three years ago. Yet they still haven’t given him a real roster to see what he can do.

Hoiberg has another two years left on his deal, and at some point he needs to receive the tools where we can truly evaluate how he ranks among his peers. He had a reputation for getting the most out of unique prospects at Iowa State. That makes Young the perfect pairing for him.

Hoiberg has been stymied by incompatible point guards to run a seven-seconds-or-less style system at the NBA level. Those offenses depend on a lead guard that can push the pace, be a threat from distance, break down defenses and throw great passes. Derrick Rose, Rajon Rondo and Kris Dunn have their strengths, but they didn’t check those boxes. Young does.

There is no denying that Young has serious flaws. He turns the ball over too much, his shot selection is suspect, and he will likely be among the worst defenders in the league due to his poor effort and relatively tiny size. I still think his offensive potential is high enough that it’s worth taking a big swing on him.

Everyone knows Young is a fearless shooter with NBA range. While he hit only 36 percent of his 3s at Oklahoma, he’s probably a better shooter than that number indicates. His ability to pull up from anywhere on the court is the game-changing weapon that every team should be prioritizing.

What’s more interesting to me about Young is his passing and dedication to pushing the ball up the court. He could jump-start the Bulls’ moribund transition attack, which has never ranked higher than 18th since Hoiberg took over. That is the centerpiece of Hoiberg’s system and its failure is why his offenses have never been better than 21st in the league.

Young is the best guard in this draft at making throw-ahead passes to start the break. His shooting has garnered all of the attention whereas his passing and vision have been criminally underrated in the predraft process. Young took his Oklahoma team from the No. 81 team in KenPom’s adjusted tempo rankings all the way up to No. 4.

Young also fits in seamlessly with the current Bulls core. Lauri Markkanen setting pick-and-pop drag screens in transition for him would be unstoppable. Young would also help him in the halfcourt game. Markkanen’s development has been stymied at times by weak point guard passing, and he’d make a big jump with Young.

Zach LaVine could also see a resurgence in his transition play. LaVine has missed playing alongside Ricky Rubio, who was one of the premier throw-ahead passers in the NBA. Those easy buckets will come back with Young as his point guard.

There have been concerns about how Dunn and Young would mesh, but those two could make up a good backcourt together with Dunn sliding over to shooting guard. The Bulls will have to hide Young defensively, and who better for that role than Dunn, who is already one of the best perimeter defenders in the league. Dunn’s turnover issues might make him better suited to dividing his time between shooting guard and backup point guard long-term anyway, and Hoiberg has always loved having multiple ball-handlers on the floor. Dunn could be the Marcus Smart to Young’s Kyrie Irving.

With Young, LaVine, and Markkanen, the Bulls aren’t going to be a great defensive team. But they could be the next seven-seconds-or-less Suns. Let’s give the vision a chance to appear.

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Re: NBA Draft 2018 6.0: Lucky #7 and 22. 

Post#327 » by Betta Bulleavit » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:36 pm

thewraith wrote:
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thewraith wrote:Honestly we as a fanbase need to stop the whole he don't with regards to Young or any other player on this team. This team isn't good enough to talk about fit on this team. They stink and even if healthy all season in a non tanking season I think at best they are fighting for a playoff position to mess up our chances to get a potential shot at a top draft pick. I can't worry about fit when this team is 1rd playoff exit at best waiting to happen. Once we are a contender like we were during the good Rose years then worry about fit but now everybody position even Lauri for me can be replaced.

I think what you are saying is true in theory. However, there is something to be said about the position that we are putting players in as an organization. If they want to draft Young, have at it. I think he has the tools to be GREAT player. But I don't see that materializing as long as Dunn is here. So if we take Young, think about packaging 22 and Dunn for another player of need/higher upside.
If Young proves to be better like Steph with Monta then you do something otherwise its no need to trade him right away or at all if Dunn can start making jumpers more consistently. I'm just not avoiding Young because of some avg at best pg. I'm just surprised so many have forgot the Steph Warriors thing and how y'all would've been the same ones back then saying we don't need Steph we have Monta. I don't know if Young will be Steph I'm saying the similar situations coming into the league.

Yeah but you are forgetting that Monta was what he was at that point, which made it much easier for the Warriors to move on from him in favor of Steph. That's not what we have here. Young could very well be a Steph type. However, if he is, I don't think we are going to find out in the minutes that we'd have playing him behind Dunn. Simply put, I don't think we have the minutes necessary to really find out what we have in both guys. So I feel like we'd kinda have to pick a lane on that one. If they like Young and Hoiberg feels like he's the guy, then you trade Dunn right now while we might be able to get something for him. Doing what you are proposing, we'd never get anything of value for Dunn. And if Dunn does pan out, we basically just spent the number 7 pick on a sixth man.
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Re: NBA Draft 2018 6.0: Lucky #7 and 22. 

Post#328 » by ATRAIN53 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:37 pm

ATL has a tough choice.

This is their first lottery pick since Horford, 11 seasons ago.

They really have to pick between Trey and Luka, they need a name to kick start that franchise.
Either of these guys could have it. Anyone else they pick will just be a guy they develop. But these 2 are guys that come in to run the show. They need that. The fans want that.

Trey the fans know and would be a good choice to sell tix, but he's gonna need a yr or 2 to develop and build an NBA body.

Luka could be the franchise guy they need but the fans don't know him - and regardless of who picks Luka, they kid is not going to play next year very much. He's worn out from Euro league and every GM that watched Ben Simmons red shirt his freshman year in Philly will think the same for Luka. They will rest him and work on his transition to the NBA OFF the court.

I still can't belive the Suns hired his former Euro league coach and are going to pass on him. I think they take him, and the Ayton thing has been a smoke screen to see what value the top pick really is. Turns out no one wants it and that sucks for a team that has never had it and would trade it for a bonnafide super star for it if they could!

I can't wait, this should be a fun draft with a lot of trades and drama!
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Re: NBA Draft 2018 6.0: Lucky #7 and 22. 

Post#329 » by RememberLu » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:40 pm

NewEra21 wrote:Mo Bamba was on Get Up this morning talking about wanting to visit all the continents and that he only has Europe and Africa to go. I don't want to call the kid a liar, but when in his 20 year old existence has he found the time to visit Antarctica? lol


If he ever goes there I want a camera crew to film it. He'd stick out like a sore thumb. Or just draft him and have Lauri take him to Finland
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Re: NBA Draft 2018 6.0: Lucky #7 and 22. 

Post#330 » by tunit213 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:47 pm

blicka wrote:
Truebiscuit wrote:
tunit213 wrote:https://theathletic.com/395660/2018/06/18/finch-returns-nba-scouts-give-their-brutally-honest-takes-about-this-years-top-draft-prospects/









Thank you for sharing -- anything on Trae Young?


Trae Young, 6-2 freshman guard, Oklahoma. “Elite vision and shot-making. He’s going to be able to come in and get 15 to 18 points a game. He didn’t guard anyone this year. That’s partly because he wasn’t asked to, because he had to play the whole game. It’s harder to hide a guy defensively who’s 6-2. He has a cockiness and arrogance to him, which I think is good. I think he’s a better passer than Steph at this point in his life. Their team was pretty average at the end of the year, but that wasn’t his fault. They didn’t have any players. I’m amazed he averaged as many assists as he did. Yeah, he’s little, but he’s got great escapability. Can he handle adversity? At times this year when it wasn’t going well, I didn’t like his body language. I thought he went into a shell. His stats in Big 12 games were hugely different than the games leading up to that. Like two different players.”



Spoiler:
1. Trae Young
The Bulls invested a lot of money, anguish and roster turnover to install Fred Hoiberg as the coach three years ago. Yet they still haven’t given him a real roster to see what he can do.

Hoiberg has another two years left on his deal, and at some point he needs to receive the tools where we can truly evaluate how he ranks among his peers. He had a reputation for getting the most out of unique prospects at Iowa State. That makes Young the perfect pairing for him.

Hoiberg has been stymied by incompatible point guards to run a seven-seconds-or-less style system at the NBA level. Those offenses depend on a lead guard that can push the pace, be a threat from distance, break down defenses and throw great passes. Derrick Rose, Rajon Rondo and Kris Dunn have their strengths, but they didn’t check those boxes. Young does.

There is no denying that Young has serious flaws. He turns the ball over too much, his shot selection is suspect, and he will likely be among the worst defenders in the league due to his poor effort and relatively tiny size. I still think his offensive potential is high enough that it’s worth taking a big swing on him.

Everyone knows Young is a fearless shooter with NBA range. While he hit only 36 percent of his 3s at Oklahoma, he’s probably a better shooter than that number indicates. His ability to pull up from anywhere on the court is the game-changing weapon that every team should be prioritizing.

What’s more interesting to me about Young is his passing and dedication to pushing the ball up the court. He could jump-start the Bulls’ moribund transition attack, which has never ranked higher than 18th since Hoiberg took over. That is the centerpiece of Hoiberg’s system and its failure is why his offenses have never been better than 21st in the league.

Young is the best guard in this draft at making throw-ahead passes to start the break. His shooting has garnered all of the attention whereas his passing and vision have been criminally underrated in the predraft process. Young took his Oklahoma team from the No. 81 team in KenPom’s adjusted tempo rankings all the way up to No. 4.

Young also fits in seamlessly with the current Bulls core. Lauri Markkanen setting pick-and-pop drag screens in transition for him would be unstoppable. Young would also help him in the halfcourt game. Markkanen’s development has been stymied at times by weak point guard passing, and he’d make a big jump with Young.

Zach LaVine could also see a resurgence in his transition play. LaVine has missed playing alongside Ricky Rubio, who was one of the premier throw-ahead passers in the NBA. Those easy buckets will come back with Young as his point guard.

There have been concerns about how Dunn and Young would mesh, but those two could make up a good backcourt together with Dunn sliding over to shooting guard. The Bulls will have to hide Young defensively, and who better for that role than Dunn, who is already one of the best perimeter defenders in the league. Dunn’s turnover issues might make him better suited to dividing his time between shooting guard and backup point guard long-term anyway, and Hoiberg has always loved having multiple ball-handlers on the floor. Dunn could be the Marcus Smart to Young’s Kyrie Irving.

With Young, LaVine, and Markkanen, the Bulls aren’t going to be a great defensive team. But they could be the next seven-seconds-or-less Suns. Let’s give the vision a chance to appear.

:nod:


...and for those hoping Doncic falls

Luka Doncic, 6-8 guard, Real Madrid. “You can’t even describe what he’s doing over there. I mean, the kid is 18. He’s a 6-8 Steve Nash. He’s like a mini-LeBron with his vision and basketball IQ and how he can zip passes across the court. Pass-first guy. His shooting will be questionable. He can be streaky. Defense will be a weakness, but you can hide a 6-8 guy easier than someone like Trae Young. He’ll be guarding the third-best perimeter player. He’s not fat, but he needs to get leaner. The thing you respect about him is he has done it against men. Ayton did it against 19- and 20-year-olds.”
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Re: NBA Draft 2018 6.0: Lucky #7 and 22. 

Post#331 » by tunit213 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:48 pm

NewEra21 wrote:Mo Bamba was on Get Up this morning talking about wanting to visit all the continents and that he only has Europe and Africa to go. I don't want to call the kid a liar, but when in his 20 year old existence has he found the time to visit Antarctica? lol


Kind of makes you feel like the kid is full of it lol
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Post#332 » by CoreyVillains » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:50 pm

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tunit213 wrote:https://theathletic.com/395660/2018/06/18/finch-returns-nba-scouts-give-their-brutally-honest-takes-about-this-years-top-draft-prospects/

Michael Porter Jr., 6-10 freshman forward, Missouri. “He might be the No. 1 pick if he played all year. He just puts the ball in the basket at a high level. He’s a 6-10 athlete who can shoot it and play above the rim. Has every physical quality there is. Defense will be an issue. Obviously the back is a concern, so you have to see if his medical checks out. I was at his pro day in Chicago and he was good. He was flying all over the place. The dude doesn’t miss. He had some of his pop and explosion back. I worry about him making plays for others. I don’t think he’s the toughest guy. One concern I have is that he’s a vegan and his body is not developed.”


Jaren Jackson Jr., 6-11 freshman forward, Michigan State. “All-star player. Reminds me of Kevin Garnett. Guys like him are so rare – they can make 3s and guard 1 through 5. He’s just a puppy. He’s got to clear up his ability to play without fouling. He’s not great with his back to the basket. I’ve seen some segments in a game where his motor was off the charts, and I’ve seen games where I didn’t know he was on the court. Maybe he’s just not a killer. He’s got great upside because he’s still thin. In three years he’s not going to look at all like he looks today.”


Mohamed Bamba, 7-foot freshman center, Texas. “There may never be another human being/basketball player like him physically. He’s going to be able to make shots eventually. I don’t think he has a crazy work ethic, but obviously he’s a super smart kid. Look at Rudy Gobert – he couldn’t shoot like Bamba at this age. At least he can step out and shoot a 15-footer. Defensively he’s going to be a game-changer from the get-go. The concerns I have are just his motor, his durability, his toughness. He has other interests. Is he passionate about the game? It’s not about his talent. It’s about his willingness to play 82 games night after night.”


Man, I said JJJ reminds me of a guy with the ability to be in the KG convo and got laughed out the building on here lol.

but yeah, MPJ isn't falling to #7.



The thing that made KG KG was his relentless fire every second he was on the court. JJJ’s skillset might be similar, but there’s a very clear difference in how they approach their minutes. The fire isn’t something you can really develop, that’s a personality trait. To me, that’s why the KG comparisons are laughable. JJJ is going to be really good, but KG is probably close to a top 20 player ever. Like basically every NBA player, JJJ doesn’t have that kind of upside.
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Re: NBA Draft 2018 6.0: Lucky #7 and 22. 

Post#333 » by otwok » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:51 pm

tunit213 wrote:
NewEra21 wrote:Mo Bamba was on Get Up this morning talking about wanting to visit all the continents and that he only has Europe and Africa to go. I don't want to call the kid a liar, but when in his 20 year old existence has he found the time to visit Antarctica? lol


Kind of makes you feel like the kid is full of it lol



Or maybe he doesn't remember that Antarctica is a continent. I mean its possible he's been to Asia, Australia, and South America for summer vacations. I know kids that have been to all the continents except for Antarctica.
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Re: NBA Draft 2018 6.0: Lucky #7 and 22. 

Post#334 » by kodo » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:51 pm

JohnnyKILLroy wrote:
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kodo wrote:
Bell is also irrelevant long term.

If Bell is a bust in Chicago, he's irrelevant.
If Bell does well, he's only a 2nd round pick so becomes a free agent in 2 years typically, which means he'll have to be paid heavily to be retained. We've seen exactly the Jordan Bell situation...with Omer Asik. And we've seen exactly how it ends for us & the other team.

We could have had Jordan Bell for 4 years for cheap money.


That’s the part that sucks. We were fed it was a financial decision when the reality is Felicio is going to cost us more.


Jordan Bell signed a 2 year contract for the Warriors.

According to Anthony Slater of Bay Area News Group, the University of Oregon product has agreed to a two-year deal worth the rookie minimum with the Warriors


If he got under Chicago's radar enough to sell the pick, we wouldn't have given him a 4 year contract even if we kept it. And most likely, we don't even pick him.

I don't see a realistic situation where Chicago locks him up for 4 years on a min deal. Because if we believed him in that much to commit a roster spot for 4 years, we wouldn't have sold the pick.
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Post#335 » by RememberLu » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:52 pm

Fun fact: polar bears arent white, they're black. Only their fur is white
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Re: NBA Draft 2018 6.0: Lucky #7 and 22. 

Post#336 » by biggestbullsfan » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:53 pm

The more i read and hear about bamba’s mentality the more i worry about him. I think he’s not a true basketball player but a guy that’s good at basketball. I think he has other interests which may possibly stunt his growth and or limit his upside. Yes he has talent but if he isn’t a work horse how far does he go? How much will he improve?

Aka Dwight Howard has all the talent in the world but he was never a workhorse.he peaked early and has been on cruise control ever since. I think most ppl forgot he was even still in the league. That might not be a concern for most ppl but it is for me lol
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Re: NBA Draft 2018 6.0: Lucky #7 and 22. 

Post#337 » by NecessaryEvil » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:58 pm

CoreyVillains wrote:
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tunit213 wrote:https://theathletic.com/395660/2018/06/18/finch-returns-nba-scouts-give-their-brutally-honest-takes-about-this-years-top-draft-prospects/







Man, I said JJJ reminds me of a guy with the ability to be in the KG convo and got laughed out the building on here lol.

but yeah, MPJ isn't falling to #7.



The thing that made KG KG was his relentless fire every second he was on the court. JJJ’s skillset might be similar, but there’s a very clear difference in how they approach their minutes. The fire isn’t something you can really develop, that’s a personality trait. To me, that’s why the KG comparisons are laughable. JJJ is going to be really good, but KG is probably close to a top 20 player ever. Like basically every NBA player, JJJ doesn’t have that kind of upside.


how many players are as relentless as KG ever was? I'll wait

I'm not comparing that, I'm comparing his abilities, age and absolute upside. Never said he WOULD be KG
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Post#338 » by Red Larrivee » Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:00 pm

tunit213 wrote:...and for those hoping Doncic falls

Luka Doncic, 6-8 guard, Real Madrid. “You can’t even describe what he’s doing over there. I mean, the kid is 18. He’s a 6-8 Steve Nash. He’s like a mini-LeBron with his vision and basketball IQ and how he can zip passes across the court. Pass-first guy. His shooting will be questionable. He can be streaky. Defense will be a weakness, but you can hide a 6-8 guy easier than someone like Trae Young. He’ll be guarding the third-best perimeter player. He’s not fat, but he needs to get leaner. The thing you respect about him is he has done it against men. Ayton did it against 19- and 20-year-olds.”


But, what does CJ McCollum's brother think?

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Post#339 » by NecessaryEvil » Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:04 pm

Ya'll worried about the man because he has more things going on in his brain than basketball? His career has a window of 15 years

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Post#340 » by KevinPandawong » Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:05 pm

biggestbullsfan wrote:The more i read and hear about bamba’s mentality the more i worry about him. I think he’s not a true basketball player but a guy that’s good at basketball. I think he has other interests which may possibly stunt his growth and or limit his upside. Yes he has talent but if he isn’t a work horse how far does he go? How much will he improve?

Aka Dwight Howard has all the talent in the world but he was never a workhorse.he peaked early and has been on cruise control ever since. I think most ppl forgot he was even still in the league. That might not be a concern for most ppl but it is for me lol


Having interests in culture or academia are hell of a lot better than interests in drugs and alcohol. I doubt his off-court interests affect his training. Plus if he's intellectually curious, there's a whole lot of basketball left to learn.

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