Trade Ideas (Part III)

[Dupp]

Griz maybe shopping parsons and #4... If lebrons gone I’d trade love + #8 for that.

[Stillwater]

Griz maybe shopping parsons and #4... If lebrons gone I’d trade love + #8 for that.

Yeah I wouldn't trade the 8th unless I had too if we are taking back Parsons. I have us doing this on the previous page of this thread as the first in a potential series of trades where each one in order leaves us better off even if the next one doesn't happen.
Cavs trade Love & Korver & 2021 1st lottery protected to Memphis for the 4th & 32nd for taking back the injured Parsons albatross and Green. We'd still have the 8th

[Dupp]

Griz maybe shopping parsons and #4... If lebrons gone I’d trade love + #8 for that.

Yeah I wouldn't trade the 8th unless I had too if we are taking back Parsons. I have us doing this on the previous page of this thread as the first in a potential series of trades where each one in order leaves us better off even if the next one doesn't happen.
Cavs trade Love & Korver & 2021 1st lottery protected to Memphis for the 4th & 32nd for taking back the injured Parsons albatross and Green. We'd still have the 8th

Griz are gonna want a pick in this draft so it’d have to be my deal and maybe they act the future first.

[Stillwater]

Griz maybe shopping parsons and #4... If lebrons gone I’d trade love + #8 for that.

Yeah I wouldn't trade the 8th unless I had too if we are taking back Parsons. I have us doing this on the previous page of this thread as the first in a potential series of trades where each one in order leaves us better off even if the next one doesn't happen.
Cavs trade Love & Korver & 2021 1st lottery protected to Memphis for the 4th & 32nd for taking back the injured Parsons albatross and Green. We'd still have the 8th

Griz are gonna want a pick in this draft so it’d have to be my deal and maybe they act the future first.

They won't insist on it if it gets Parsons off the books. I wouldn't give up Love and anybody else to take back Parsons who will never see the floor as a Cav ultimate dead weight etc if it meant having to give up the 8th. If some team wants to part with a pick it will be a lot later in the draft than 8th and the player they give up won't be as good as Love.

[PistolPeteJR]

Love + Korver + 2nd for 4th, Parsons, and J.Green. Opens up the 4-slot for Love and Jarell Martin who showed he could be a decent backup last year, plus Ivan Rabb (hopefully for Grizz).

Conley/Chalmers
McLemore/Korver
Evans/Brooks
Love/Martin
Gasol/Rabb

Get off Parsons' money, nab an elite offball player and shooter in Korver, and pick up an All-Star in Love.

[jschligs]

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What would it take to get Lebron to stay and Cavs to acquire Kawhi? Spurs don't want to trade Kawhi to anyone in the West.

[Stillwater]

Personally don't think we have a shot at Kawhi unless we do another trade first to get a higher pick to dangle.

[Trailbreaker]

Yeah there’s too many variables to make it happen. It would need to be basically LeBron and Leonard agreeing to play for Cleveland. Oh well.

[Revenged25]

Cavs get:
#4
Chandler Parsons
Ian Mahinmi
Ben McLemore
2020 Protected 1st from Washington (top 15) if Love resigns/opts-in. 2nd rounder if he doesn't resign/opt-in.

Washington gets:
Kevin Love
Kyle Korver

Memphis gets:
JR Smith
Markieff Morris
Kelly Oubre Jr
#15

Cavs put LeBron on notice they are rebuilding before he gets to hold them hostage and in limbo for another year. Offer to help facilitate a trade to another team if the have the requisite assets to make it worth their time. LAL for example if they are looking to try and put PG/LeBron on the same squad while also keeping Randle, take on Deng (only 2 more years on his contract) + Ingram for example.

#4-JJJr/Bamba
#8-Carter/Mikal/Porter (depending on who is there)

Cavs line-up for 2018 (assuming LeBron just walks)
Hill/Hood(QO/match reasonable)/Cedi/Carter/JJJr
bench: Clarkson/Zizic/Nance/Tristan

[NatiboyB]

I got one I have been tossing around

Cavs:
JR Smith

Hawks:
Kent Bazemore
#30 pick

CAVS:
why for the Cavs. You get rid of JR Smith who is expiring but replace him with a better defensive player who can also hit the 3 pt shot. Cavs also get an additional first round pick to help the youth movement.


Why for Hawks. They cut a year off of contracts as JR Smith is a team option whom they can likely just move on from. This will help free up more cap room for development of young players and draft picks.

[youngthegiant]

What would you guys be looking to get for Korver? Expiring deal? decent prospect? 2nd rd pick?

[jbk1234]

What would you guys be looking to get for Korver? Expiring deal? decent prospect? 2nd rd pick?

Korver's on a team-friendly deal. You don't trade those for expiring contracts.

[Dupp]

Personally don't think we have a shot at Kawhi unless we do another trade first to get a higher pick to dangle.

Pretty much. Like getting #4 from the griz maybe. He’s gonna be hot property so our chances are very slim.

[jbk1234]

Personally don't think we have a shot at Kawhi unless we do another trade first to get a higher pick to dangle.

Pretty much. Like getting #4 from the griz maybe. He’s gonna be hot property so our chances are very slim.

Just out of curiosity who do you want at 4 badly enough to eat Parson's deal and give up whatever pick Love could bring back?

[Dupp]

Personally don't think we have a shot at Kawhi unless we do another trade first to get a higher pick to dangle.

Pretty much. Like getting #4 from the griz maybe. He’s gonna be hot property so our chances are very slim.

Just out of curiosity who do you want at 4 badly enough to eat Parson's deal and give up whatever pick Love could bring back.

Well I do acknowledge if we send love, 8 and take parsons they’d have to add a little.

This is if lebrons gone too yeah.

And hey I don’t even know I don’t scout talent coming into the nba enough to have a valuable opinion. But I imagine our chances at picking who we want will be higher, the talent level should be higher t 4 than 8 and I think we’d have less chance to blow the pick.. although we don’t have a great track record at 4

[Revenged25]

Personally don't think we have a shot at Kawhi unless we do another trade first to get a higher pick to dangle.

Pretty much. Like getting #4 from the griz maybe. He’s gonna be hot property so our chances are very slim.

Just out of curiosity who do you want at 4 badly enough to eat Parson's deal and give up whatever pick Love could bring back?

There is no one at 4 that makes sense to trade the #8 pick and Love to draft based on what Love might get back otherwise even if we didn't have to take on Parson's contract honestly. The only reason the Cavs should trade to get the #4 pick is if the #8 pick isn't involved and they plan on going full rebuild. At that point I'd offer up quite a bit to get for another top 4 pick.

[Stillwater]

Pretty much. Like getting #4 from the griz maybe. He’s gonna be hot property so our chances are very slim.

Just out of curiosity who do you want at 4 badly enough to eat Parson's deal and give up whatever pick Love could bring back?

There is no one at 4 that makes sense to trade the #8 pick and Love to draft based on what Love might get back otherwise even if we didn't have to take on Parson's contract honestly. The only reason the Cavs should trade to get the #4 pick is if the #8 pick isn't involved and they plan on going full rebuild. At that point I'd offer up quite a bit to get for another top 4 pick.

My initial thought process with trading Love Korver and the 2021 lottery protected 1st for 4,32 Parsons albatross& JaMychal Green ; this was in order to have a reasonable advantage in talks with the Spurs over Philly,LA and NY. Having that high pick to offer for Kawhi then still have the 8th. However, I am not at all confident at this point Leonard would even lace 'em up here, if Lebron left anyway...so the only reason to move Love and Korver for that return would be to kick start a rebuild with the key targets being Jackson or Bamba. I think if Doncic,Ayton,Bagley went in the top 3 as projected there is a good chance Memphis would do this deal.
Unless they are now high on MPJ.
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This was my original proposed sequence of trades where each one has us in a decent spot if the following trade failed,but if all trades were completed we would have our roster over haul.
Ludicrous incredibly unlikely to happen but fair and reasonable value swap draft day trade ideas in sequence
Cavs trade Love & Korver & 2021 1st lottery protected to Memphis for the 4th & 32nd for taking back the injured Parsons albatross and Green.
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7064310
Then the Cavs flip the 4th TT and Osman to SA for Kawhi Leonard
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7064307
Then the Cavs trade Clarkson and the 8th to the Hornets for Kemba Walker and the 11th
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7064315
Then the Cavs trade Hill and Zizic to the Bucks for Henson and Delly.
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7064325
Cavs use the 11th to draft the BPA
new line up
BPA at 11 and 32
Kemba, Delly
Hood( if kept),Smith ( buyout candidate)
Leonard,James,Parsons
James,Leonard, JaMychal Green,Jeff Green
Nance, Henson,White(if retained)
rest of roster filled with 2 ring chasers
and 2 rookies

[Revenged25]

Just out of curiosity who do you want at 4 badly enough to eat Parson's deal and give up whatever pick Love could bring back?

There is no one at 4 that makes sense to trade the #8 pick and Love to draft based on what Love might get back otherwise even if we didn't have to take on Parson's contract honestly. The only reason the Cavs should trade to get the #4 pick is if the #8 pick isn't involved and they plan on going full rebuild. At that point I'd offer up quite a bit to get for another top 4 pick.

My initial thought process with trading Love Korver and the 2021 lottery protected 1st for 4,32 Parsons albatross& JaMychal Green ; this was in order to have a reasonable advantage in talks with the Spurs over Philly,LA and NY. Having that high pick to offer for Kawhi then still have the 8th. However, I am not at all confident at this point Leonard would even lace 'em up here, if Lebron left anyway...so the only reason to move Love and Korver for that return would be to kick start a rebuild with the key targets being Jackson or Bamba. I think if Doncic,Ayton,Bagley went in the top 3 as projected there is a good chance Memphis would do this deal.
Unless they are now high on MPJ.
------------
This was my original proposed sequence of trades where each one has us in a decent spot if the following trade failed,but if all trades were completed we would have our roster over haul.
Ludicrous incredibly unlikely to happen but fair and reasonable value swap draft day trade ideas in sequence
Cavs trade Love & Korver & 2021 1st lottery protected to Memphis for the 4th & 32nd for taking back the injured Parsons albatross and Green.
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7064310
Then the Cavs flip the 4th TT and Osman to SA for Kawhi Leonard
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7064307
Then the Cavs trade Clarkson and the 8th to the Hornets for Kemba Walker and the 11th
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7064315
Then the Cavs trade Hill and Zizic to the Bucks for Henson and Delly.
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7064325
Cavs use the 11th to draft the BPA
new line up
BPA at 11 and 32
Kemba, Delly
Hood( if kept),Smith ( buyout candidate)
Leonard,James,Parsons
James,Leonard, JaMychal Green,Jeff Green
Nance, Henson,White(if retained)
rest of roster filled with 2 ring chasers
and 2 rookies

Not a bad sequence and that roster would probably compete against the Warriors, though the chances of winning would still be limited.

I still really think the Cavs should look to do a rebuild and even tell LeBron the situation, work together to help him with a opt&trade if one presented itself with good value, and look to part publicly on good terms as a joint decision. It would go a long way in improving Dan Gilberts image in the NBA/fans/media and maybe even with LeBron, it would also allow LeBron to leave without having to worry about people in Cleveland holding a grudge against him as it would be the org and him doing what is best for each of their situations.

[Stillwater]

There is no one at 4 that makes sense to trade the #8 pick and Love to draft based on what Love might get back otherwise even if we didn't have to take on Parson's contract honestly. The only reason the Cavs should trade to get the #4 pick is if the #8 pick isn't involved and they plan on going full rebuild. At that point I'd offer up quite a bit to get for another top 4 pick.

My initial thought process with trading Love Korver and the 2021 lottery protected 1st for 4,32 Parsons albatross& JaMychal Green ; this was in order to have a reasonable advantage in talks with the Spurs over Philly,LA and NY. Having that high pick to offer for Kawhi then still have the 8th. However, I am not at all confident at this point Leonard would even lace 'em up here, if Lebron left anyway...so the only reason to move Love and Korver for that return would be to kick start a rebuild with the key targets being Jackson or Bamba. I think if Doncic,Ayton,Bagley went in the top 3 as projected there is a good chance Memphis would do this deal.
Unless they are now high on MPJ.
------------
This was my original proposed sequence of trades where each one has us in a decent spot if the following trade failed,but if all trades were completed we would have our roster over haul.
Ludicrous incredibly unlikely to happen but fair and reasonable value swap draft day trade ideas in sequence
Cavs trade Love & Korver & 2021 1st lottery protected to Memphis for the 4th & 32nd for taking back the injured Parsons albatross and Green.
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7064310
Then the Cavs flip the 4th TT and Osman to SA for Kawhi Leonard
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7064307
Then the Cavs trade Clarkson and the 8th to the Hornets for Kemba Walker and the 11th
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7064315
Then the Cavs trade Hill and Zizic to the Bucks for Henson and Delly.
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7064325
Cavs use the 11th to draft the BPA
new line up
BPA at 11 and 32
Kemba, Delly
Hood( if kept),Smith ( buyout candidate)
Leonard,James,Parsons
James,Leonard, JaMychal Green,Jeff Green
Nance, Henson,White(if retained)
rest of roster filled with 2 ring chasers
and 2 rookies

Not a bad sequence and that roster would probably compete against the Warriors, though the chances of winning would still be limited.

I still really think the Cavs should look to do a rebuild and even tell LeBron the situation, work together to help him with a opt&trade if one presented itself with good value, and look to part publicly on good terms as a joint decision. It would go a long way in improving Dan Gilberts image in the NBA/fans/media and maybe even with LeBron, it would also allow LeBron to leave without having to worry about people in Cleveland holding a grudge against him as it would be the org and him doing what is best for each of their situations.

If he leaves we cannot do a full rebuild per say for at least another season without trades like the first one fast forwarding the process.
If he is leaving, then sure you would want to get something in return for him, but the org isn't going to propose that given the chance he will return if they do whatever the can to make the roster a notch better, which is really all it would take.
If they cannot get any deals done to improve the roster at all, then you consider that.
If Lebron can take this group to the finals there is no reason we couldn't get there again and again with a few minor upgrades, and there is no reason we couldn't overcome the likes of Boston,Philly,GSW, Houston etc if we got Kawhi and an upgrade at the pg position.
Imagine all those trades and these draft picks, there is no way he would leave :
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/draft_simulator/view/505352/

[Revenged25]

...

Not a bad sequence and that roster would probably compete against the Warriors, though the chances of winning would still be limited.

I still really think the Cavs should look to do a rebuild and even tell LeBron the situation, work together to help him with a opt&trade if one presented itself with good value, and look to part publicly on good terms as a joint decision. It would go a long way in improving Dan Gilberts image in the NBA/fans/media and maybe even with LeBron, it would also allow LeBron to leave without having to worry about people in Cleveland holding a grudge against him as it would be the org and him doing what is best for each of their situations.

If he leaves we cannot do a full rebuild per say for at least another season without trades like the first one fast forwarding the process.
If he is leaving, then sure you would want to get something in return for him, but the org isn't going to propose that given the chance he will return if they do whatever the can to make the roster a notch better, which is really all it would take.
If they cannot get any deals done to improve the roster at all, then you consider that.
If Lebron can take this group to the finals there is no reason we couldn't get there again and again with a few minor upgrades, and there is no reason we couldn't overcome the likes of Boston,Philly,GSW, Houston etc if we got Kawhi and an upgrade at the pg position.

My concern with many of the moves suggested by people is that it puts the Cavs into a big hole against a team like Philly who has a dominant big man in Embiid who could abuse us on offense and help limit the defense. I think that if the Cavs got Leonard and LeBron stayed, that PG might reconsider going to LA due to what would be there and might end up in Philly on a max contract which would put them into a very good spot as well. That's not to mention that Philly still has quite a few good assets and could potentially try to swing the #10 pick and other pieces to upgrade as well even if it's not PG.