NBA Draft 2018 6.0: Lucky #7 and 22.

[CoreyVillains]

Man, I said JJJ reminds me of a guy with the ability to be in the KG convo and got laughed out the building on here lol.

but yeah, MPJ isn't falling to #7.

The thing that made KG KG was his relentless fire every second he was on the court. JJJ’s skillset might be similar, but there’s a very clear difference in how they approach their minutes. The fire isn’t something you can really develop, that’s a personality trait. To me, that’s why the KG comparisons are laughable. JJJ is going to be really good, but KG is probably close to a top 20 player ever. Like basically every NBA player, JJJ doesn’t have that kind of upside.

how many players are as relentless as KG ever was? I'll wait

I'm not comparing that, I'm comparing his abilities, age and absolute upside. Never said he WOULD be KG

Not many, but that’s the point. His absolute upside isn’t the same as KGs because he doesn’t have the fire in his bag. He’s young and talented and he’s going to be awesome, he’s just not going to be KG awesome. There wasn’t a moment when you didn’t know KG was on the court, but there were plenty where you didn’t know JJJ was. If you aren’t asserting yourself on the court it doesn’t matter how talented you are. I don’t think you’re saying he is going to be KG, I’m just saying that’s why people find it a laughable comparison.

[TheSuzerain]

We could have had Jordan Bell for 4 years for cheap money.

That’s the part that sucks. We were fed it was a financial decision when the reality is Felicio is going to cost us more.

Jordan Bell signed a 2 year contract for the Warriors.

According to Anthony Slater of Bay Area News Group, the University of Oregon product has agreed to a two-year deal worth the rookie minimum with the Warriors

If he got under Chicago's radar enough to sell the pick, we wouldn't have given him a 4 year contract even if we kept it. And most likely, we don't even pick him.

I don't see a realistic situation where Chicago locks him up for 4 years on a min deal. Because if we believed him in that much to commit a roster spot for 4 years, we wouldn't have sold the pick.

We should have locked him up for 4 years. Didn't need to be on a min deal either as we had cap space. 2nd rounders are signed in the same manner as free agents. It's just that you get exclusive rights if you draft them.

[thewraith]

I think what you are saying is true in theory. However, there is something to be said about the position that we are putting players in as an organization. If they want to draft Young, have at it. I think he has the tools to be GREAT player. But I don't see that materializing as long as Dunn is here. So if we take Young, think about packaging 22 and Dunn for another player of need/higher upside.

If Young proves to be better like Steph with Monta then you do something otherwise its no need to trade him right away or at all if Dunn can start making jumpers more consistently. I'm just not avoiding Young because of some avg at best pg. I'm just surprised so many have forgot the Steph Warriors thing and how y'all would've been the same ones back then saying we don't need Steph we have Monta. I don't know if Young will be Steph I'm saying the similar situations coming into the league.

Yeah but you are forgetting that Monta was what he was at that point, which made it much easier for the Warriors to move on from him in favor of Steph. That's not what we have here. Young could very well be a Steph type. However, if he is, I don't think we are going to find out in the minutes that we'd have playing him behind Dunn. Simply put, I don't think we have the minutes necessary to really find out what we have in both guys. So I feel like we'd kinda have to pick a lane on that one. If they like Young and Hoiberg feels like he's the guy, then you trade Dunn right now while we might be able to get something for him. Doing what you are proposing, we'd never get anything of value for Dunn. And if Dunn does pan out, we basically just spent the number 7 pick on a sixth man.

Dunn is what he is tbh. This his third year it was Monta 4th. Don't see the big difference in one year honestly. Who said he would play behind Dunn? If he better why should he? I know and I'm willing to bet 1 dollar we know what we have in Dunn and its what we saw last year which is good but not worrying about drafting another player good. Dunn isn't going to pan out if you are trying to win championships 1 dollar bet guaranteed. I don't dislike Dunn but he or nobody else on this team is good enough to worry about drafting a player at their position. The Bulls are a 1st rd playoff exit waiting to happen at best. For me that means no position is safe. I see you disagree and that's ok too. We shall see how it plays put one way or another.

[thewraith]

ATL has a tough choice.

This is their first lottery pick since Horford, 11 seasons ago.

They really have to pick between Trey and Luka, they need a name to kick start that franchise.
Either of these guys could have it. Anyone else they pick will just be a guy they develop. But these 2 are guys that come in to run the show. They need that. The fans want that.

Trey the fans know and would be a good choice to sell tix, but he's gonna need a yr or 2 to develop and build an NBA body.

Luka could be the franchise guy they need but the fans don't know him - and regardless of who picks Luka, they kid is not going to play next year very much. He's worn out from Euro league and every GM that watched Ben Simmons red shirt his freshman year in Philly will think the same for Luka. They will rest him and work on his transition to the NBA OFF the court.

I still can't belive the Suns hired his former Euro league coach and are going to pass on him. I think they take him, and the Ayton thing has been a smoke screen to see what value the top pick really is. Turns out no one wants it and that sucks for a team that has never had it and would trade it for a bonnafide super star for it if they could!

I can't wait, this should be a fun draft with a lot of trades and drama!

The redshirt with Luka makes no sense to me compared to Simmons. Simmons broke his hand and Luka that I know of doesn't have an injury to keep him out so why would they be red shirting him exactly? That's what I don't get.

[otwok]

If we get Dwight Howard with our 7th pick, I would be stocked. He was a legit MVP caliber player and a top 5 at the time. Even if the window was only a few years. He took a team to the finals. If get a player with the 7th pick that only has one good year, but that one year he takes us to the finals and then falls off after that, I am happy.

[Betta Bulleavit]

If Young proves to be better like Steph with Monta then you do something otherwise its no need to trade him right away or at all if Dunn can start making jumpers more consistently. I'm just not avoiding Young because of some avg at best pg. I'm just surprised so many have forgot the Steph Warriors thing and how y'all would've been the same ones back then saying we don't need Steph we have Monta. I don't know if Young will be Steph I'm saying the similar situations coming into the league.

Yeah but you are forgetting that Monta was what he was at that point, which made it much easier for the Warriors to move on from him in favor of Steph. That's not what we have here. Young could very well be a Steph type. However, if he is, I don't think we are going to find out in the minutes that we'd have playing him behind Dunn. Simply put, I don't think we have the minutes necessary to really find out what we have in both guys. So I feel like we'd kinda have to pick a lane on that one. If they like Young and Hoiberg feels like he's the guy, then you trade Dunn right now while we might be able to get something for him. Doing what you are proposing, we'd never get anything of value for Dunn. And if Dunn does pan out, we basically just spent the number 7 pick on a sixth man.

Dunn is what he is tbh. This his third year it was Monta 4th. Don't see the big difference in one year honestly. Who said he would play behind Dunn? If he better why should he? I know and I'm willing to bet 1 dollar we know what we have in Dunn and its what we saw last year which is good but not worrying about drafting another player good. Dunn isn't going to pan out if you are trying to win championships 1 dollar bet guaranteed. I don't dislike Dunn but he or nobody else on this team is good enough to worry about drafting a player at their position. The Bulls are a 1st rd playoff exit waiting to happen at best. For me that means no position is safe. I see you disagree and that's ok too. We shall see how it plays put one way or another.

Okay. So then your position seems pretty clear then. Draft Young and move on from Dunn. I don't see what the point of waiting and seeing is if you've already got your mind made up about either player. And that's my whole point. I wouldn't be bothered if we decided to do just that. What I don't want is to have two potential assets rotting away because of indecisiveness. IMO, that's the one thing that we can't afford to do.

Edit: And by the way, Monta was going into his 5th season when Curry was drafted. Dunn is going into his 3rd. There's a difference between seeing one year of a guy (in your system) and seeing 4 years of a guy in the same system. My opinion though.

[Repeat 3-peat]

If we get Dwight Howard with our 7th pick, I would be stocked. He was a legit MVP caliber player and a top 5 at the time. Even if the window was only a few years. He took a team to the finals. If get a player with the 7th pick that only has one good year, but that one year he takes us to the finals and then falls off after that, I am happy.

Howard's accomplishments

8× NBA All-Star (2007–2014)
5× All-NBA First Team (2008–2012)
All-NBA Second Team (2014)
2× All-NBA Third Team (2007, 2013)
3× NBA Defensive Player of the Year (2009–2011)
4× NBA All-Defensive First Team (2009–2012)
NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2008)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2005)
5× NBA rebounding leader (2008–2010, 2012, 2013)
2× NBA blocks leader (2009, 2010)

If they drafted the next Howard with the 7th pick he would more likely than not be the best player in this draft, and would one of the biggest draft steals of all time.

[mschmidt64]

...and for those hoping Doncic falls

Luka Doncic, 6-8 guard, Real Madrid. “You can’t even describe what he’s doing over there. I mean, the kid is 18. He’s a 6-8 Steve Nash. He’s like a mini-LeBron with his vision and basketball IQ and how he can zip passes across the court. Pass-first guy. His shooting will be questionable. He can be streaky. Defense will be a weakness, but you can hide a 6-8 guy easier than someone like Trae Young. He’ll be guarding the third-best perimeter player. He’s not fat, but he needs to get leaner. The thing you respect about him is he has done it against men. Ayton did it against 19- and 20-year-olds.”

But, what does CJ McCollum's brother think?

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[Chi town]

The thing that made KG KG was his relentless fire every second he was on the court. JJJ’s skillset might be similar, but there’s a very clear difference in how they approach their minutes. The fire isn’t something you can really develop, that’s a personality trait. To me, that’s why the KG comparisons are laughable. JJJ is going to be really good, but KG is probably close to a top 20 player ever. Like basically every NBA player, JJJ doesn’t have that kind of upside.

how many players are as relentless as KG ever was? I'll wait

I'm not comparing that, I'm comparing his abilities, age and absolute upside. Never said he WOULD be KG

Not many, but that’s the point. His absolute upside isn’t the same as KGs because he doesn’t have the fire in his bag. He’s young and talented and he’s going to be awesome, he’s just not going to be KG awesome. There wasn’t a moment when you didn’t know KG was on the court, but there were plenty where you didn’t know JJJ was. If you aren’t asserting yourself on the court it doesn’t matter how talented you are. I don’t think you’re saying he is going to be KG, I’m just saying that’s why people find it a laughable comparison.

KG lite is what I have been saying... and i've been homered too.

1. In this NBA KG would absolutely shine.

2. JJJ has a 3 ball. KG never really did. He had the long 2... worst shot in the game.

3. I think JJJ will actually be a better defender due to blocks and the way NBA defense is played now with all the switching. He will have a massive defensive impact. I know how good of a defender KG was too. I just think in this NBA JJJ will be even more effective.

4. JJJ talks about asserting himself on offense in his ESPN interview. He had to learn how to do that because in AAU he played with guys that took all the shots. IMO JJJ will be an offensive opportunist with a 3 ball his first couple seasons before his handle develops and he can attack closeouts with his dribble... we saw that a couple times this past season with great success.

5. IMO JJJ will be like a 7 foot Draymond with better length and rim protection... not as much playmaking on offense though.

[Red8911]

The more i read and hear about bamba’s mentality the more i worry about him. I think he’s not a true basketball player but a guy that’s good at basketball. I think he has other interests which may possibly stunt his growth and or limit his upside. Yes he has talent but if he isn’t a work horse how far does he go? How much will he improve?

Aka Dwight Howard has all the talent in the world but he was never a workhorse.he peaked early and has been on cruise control ever since. I think most ppl forgot he was even still in the league. That might not be a concern for most ppl but it is for me lol

Eh Howard was the best center in the league for a while and even made a final. I do agree that other than that he was never a big factor with winning and never went to the next level but he was still really good for a bunch of seasons. Now he just got older,that’s why he’s forgotten and will continue to decline. So if bamba is somewhat like a Howard,that would be great.

[kodo]

"NBA Draft God" has been putting Young with Atlanta for over a month now.

Maybe they do know something after all.

I don't think it's much of a mystery.

Trae has only worked out for Atlanta, Orlando, Chicago, New York...other top teams aren't interested enough to even look at him. He cancelled his later workouts, even with Philly. To cancel workouts with a great young team with a #10 pick, you have to have high assurance from one of the top teams they're picking you.

He makes most sense for ATL & ORL, and ATL picks first.

[bigworld2017]

The more i read and hear about bamba’s mentality the more i worry about him. I think he’s not a true basketball player but a guy that’s good at basketball. I think he has other interests which may possibly stunt his growth and or limit his upside. Yes he has talent but if he isn’t a work horse how far does he go? How much will he improve?

Aka Dwight Howard has all the talent in the world but he was never a workhorse.he peaked early and has been on cruise control ever since. I think most ppl forgot he was even still in the league. That might not be a concern for most ppl but it is for me lol

Bamba's approach since Texas was eliminated in the NCAA Tournament has been the most thought out, systematic and best executed post college training program I've ever seen from a prospective draft choice. Look at the way he improved his release and accuracy on his jump shot in just a few months. He sought out and worked out with Joel Embiid. He's been working out in Los Angeles and Nicholas Batum says he has the highest potential of any of the current draftees and is 3 years ahead of Gobert. Bamba has been working his ass off. How much will he improve? He's been improving every day. Look at the recent video of him working on his jab step-step back mid range jump shot. He's hitting those at a pretty high percentage. With reps and experience that is going to be a go-to move for him. Who is going to be able to stop it? His release point is over 12 feet high. There is video of him hitting 15 x 3's in a row. He's not going to be Steph Curry. So what? Just modest success from the arc will mean teams have to guard him out there. That spreads the court. That in and of itself improves our offense and the possibility of getting offensive rebounds. With Lauri and Bamba on the court one of them will almost always be guarded by a shorter player. We know Lauri has a great release on his jump shot. Bamba has quickened his release from 0.97 to 0.73 seconds. I too had concerns about Bamba during the season. But I've become more and more convinced he wants to be great. And with those physical measurements he is the only potential unicorn in the draft.

[Chi town]

https://theathletic.com/395660/2018/06/18/finch-returns-nba-scouts-give-their-brutally-honest-takes-about-this-years-top-draft-prospects/

Man, I said JJJ reminds me of a guy with the ability to be in the KG convo and got laughed out the building on here lol.

but yeah, MPJ isn't falling to #7.

Terms like "can guard positions 1-5" get thrown around so often, that when a guy comes along that can actually do it, people don't think it is that big a deal. But KG, Giannis, and LeBron are really the only three I can think of that will do it.

If JJJ has that type of defensive versatility AND can shoot well enough to be a functional offensive piece... that is a hell of a player.

Yep. He will lead a top 5 defense. Throw Dunn and maybe Nwaba in there with him and you have an elite D.

[JohnnyTapwater]

Pretty good article on former NBA/ current Euroleague players opinions on Doncic

https://uproxx.com/dimemag/luka-doncic-2018-nba-draft-scouting-report-euroleague-strengths-weaknesses/

[blicka]

Pretty good article on former NBA/ current Euroleague players opinions on Doncic

https://uproxx.com/dimemag/luka-doncic-2018-nba-draft-scouting-report-euroleague-strengths-weaknesses/

Apparently No one on this forum cares what actual euroleague players think about doncic

Message board posters with 40k posts and no connection to pro basketball at all opinions matter more.

[ATRAIN53]

ATL has a tough choice.

This is their first lottery pick since Horford, 11 seasons ago.

They really have to pick between Trey and Luka, they need a name to kick start that franchise.
Either of these guys could have it. Anyone else they pick will just be a guy they develop. But these 2 are guys that come in to run the show. They need that. The fans want that.

Trey the fans know and would be a good choice to sell tix, but he's gonna need a yr or 2 to develop and build an NBA body.

Luka could be the franchise guy they need but the fans don't know him - and regardless of who picks Luka, they kid is not going to play next year very much. He's worn out from Euro league and every GM that watched Ben Simmons red shirt his freshman year in Philly will think the same for Luka. They will rest him and work on his transition to the NBA OFF the court.

I still can't belive the Suns hired his former Euro league coach and are going to pass on him. I think they take him, and the Ayton thing has been a smoke screen to see what value the top pick really is. Turns out no one wants it and that sucks for a team that has never had it and would trade it for a bonnafide super star for it if they could!

I can't wait, this should be a fun draft with a lot of trades and drama!

The redshirt with Luka makes no sense to me compared to Simmons. Simmons broke his hand and Luka that I know of doesn't have an injury to keep him out so why would they be red shirting him exactly? That's what I don't get.

No other draft prospects are playing organized basketball like he is still.
SL will be the first game action for 98% of draft picks since Mar - Luka just played 29 min 5 days ago against Baskonia Vitoria Gaste!

[Lauri_Legend]

I'm a pro Trae Young fan, though I understand why the Bulls would pick a safe pick in Wendell Carter Jr.

But, I can totally see the level of excitement of the Bulls land Young and he tears up the summer league dropping 30+ ppg followed by a rough start to the season and fans turn on him right away. Young would bring a roller coaster feeling to Chicago.

[mschmidt64]

My dream scenario would be turning Portis, 22, and contract absorbtion into the 4th overall pick, and then walking away with Doncic at 4 and Bamba at 7.

Dunn
LaVine
Doncic
Markkanen
Bamba

Sick.

[madvillian]

Pretty good article on former NBA/ current Euroleague players opinions on Doncic

https://uproxx.com/dimemag/luka-doncic-2018-nba-draft-scouting-report-euroleague-strengths-weaknesses/

Apparently No one on this forum cares what actual euroleague players think about doncic

Message board posters with 40k posts and no connection to pro basketball at all opinions matter more.

Well, that's the beauty of a public forum.

[Truebiscuit]

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