Draft Thread 7.0: The Final Countdown

[jayrehme]

One thing I keep reading in articles which is strategy left off of headlines regarding Atlanta and their love for Trae Young is the condition “... but not at #3 overall.”

If Young ends up in Atlanta it will likely be through a trade.

If Ayton and Bamba go 1 and 2.... do the Hawks draft Doncic to trade with Magic for Trae Young? Who would you prefer?

this all depends on how they (Magic FO) feel about Doncic. If they're cool on him, why give up asset to ATL when you'll catch a good player at 6? Dare Hawks to take Trae (they'll take Bagley at 3).

I think the surprise of the draft will be Doncic dropping far... his shooting will scare teams off, could very wall fall to Orlando regardless... so the better question is who would you rather have if both are available at 6... Doncic or Trae?

[tiderulz]

If the Magic are really serious about taking on Parsons and that contract, they HAVE to insist on Biyombo going back out.

That would still save Memphis about 15M bucks (about 10M if the Magic insisted on kicking in Mack or Simmons) and that's a hefty financial price to pay to move up 2 spots.

not if it gets who you want. Would you have moved $15mil to get Porzingis instead of Mario? Or Embiid instead of AG?

[BadMofoPimp]

Holy Crap, Magic going for #1?!?!?!

[Knightro]

The most fair deal I can come up with is...

Biyombo, Simmons, 6th pick, 2020 OKC 1st for Parsons and 4th pick.

Parsons is set to make 49.2M over the next two years. Biyombo 34M and Simmons 7M, so it saves Memphis 8.2M and they get a future 1st (maybe) out of the deal while only dropping 2 spots and keeping themselves in position to get one of JJJ, Bamba, Porter.

The only way this makes sense for Orlando is if Doncic falls to 4.

I could also possibly see Mack in place of Simmons, which would actually save Memphis another 6M dollars, bringing their total savings to 14.2M.

[tiderulz]

Agreed. If they keep Biz, they may be paying lux tax once AG signs. Can't see that happening for THIS team.

Is there any downside in taking on Parsons' contract and improving assets? (for the fans as we don't lose any money). Our capspace is already screwed until biyombo is gone anyways. It seems like a perfect situation.

but what do you do with a 25 mil a season guy that has a position that currently has a log jam? just let him sit on the bench for 3 years?

2 years, not 3.

[Nyce_1]

If Ayton and Bamba go 1 and 2.... do the Hawks draft Doncic to trade with Magic for Trae Young? Who would you prefer?

this all depends on how they (Magic FO) feel about Doncic. If they're cool on him, why give up asset to ATL when you'll catch a good player at 6? Dare Hawks to take Trae (they'll take Bagley at 3).

I think the surprise of the draft will be Doncic dropping far... his shooting will scare teams off, could very wall fall to Orlando regardless... so the better question is who would you rather have if both are available at 6... Doncic or Trae?

Doncic and not even close. And I LOVE Trae.

[IllMagic04]

I just don't buy Doncic falling. I still believe he goes number 2.

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[MagicFan101]

If Ayton and Bamba go 1 and 2.... do the Hawks draft Doncic to trade with Magic for Trae Young? Who would you prefer?

this all depends on how they (Magic FO) feel about Doncic. If they're cool on him, why give up asset to ATL when you'll catch a good player at 6? Dare Hawks to take Trae (they'll take Bagley at 3).

I think the surprise of the draft will be Doncic dropping far... his shooting will scare teams off, could very wall fall to Orlando regardless... so the better question is who would you rather have if both are available at 6... Doncic or Trae?

His shooting will scare teams?

He is regularly described as “Ben Simmons with a jump shot.” If he is anywhere close to that then he will not leave the top 5 in ANY class.

If anything scares teams it will be questions of whether or not he actually joins the NBA next season.

[NotACat]

More I think about it unless we move up for Doncic I really believe the pick will be SGA. He makes a lot of sense based on what Hammond and Weltzman value but I am really scared of getting someone whose #1 concern is he cant shoot off the dribble. He seems like a better Payton but not superstar possibly unless he can repair that off the dribble shot which looks bad. What do you all think? I know most of you will be enraged but I do think he will be the best PG in the draft outside of Doncic but I just don't think he has superstar ceiling which part of me wants to swing for the fence.

SGA is an underrated prospect. If you look at his clips progressively from the 1st game to the last game of their season, his growth and comfort level handling the ball is tremendous, and will likely be a better pro than expected if given some time to tighten his handle.

Wcj would be a waste of a pick at 6, imo. Too safe of a pick.solid but not worth a 6th pick in a deep draft, IMO.

I agree, and I really like WCJ. Not picking a C also means we can see if Isaac develops into our C (we have no idea how much weight he can put on) since we'll have Biz for 2 more years.

[basketballRob]

Uh Ohh, looks like FO makes a mistake again.

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Someone verify this.

that looks so obviously photoshopped

Not to me. You would have to write the names in and then change the draft order.

I'm waiting on the Woj bomb about a the Magic and Memphis having discussions on a possible trade.

[NotACat]

The most fair deal I can come up with is...

Biyombo, Simmons, 6th pick, 2020 OKC 1st for Parsons and 4th pick.

Parsons is set to make 49.2M over the next two years. Biyombo 34M and Simmons 7M, so it saves Memphis 8.2M and they get a future 1st (maybe) out of the deal while only dropping 2 spots and keeping themselves in position to get one of JJJ, Bamba, Porter.

The only way this makes sense for Orlando is if Doncic falls to 4.

I could also possibly see Mack in place of Simmons, which would actually save Memphis another 6M dollars, bringing their total savings to 14.2M.

I don't think Memphis does this. I think it'll take Fournier and Simmons to move up.

[InFlames]

If Ayton and Bamba go 1 and 2.... do the Hawks draft Doncic to trade with Magic for Trae Young? Who would you prefer?

this all depends on how they (Magic FO) feel about Doncic. If they're cool on him, why give up asset to ATL when you'll catch a good player at 6? Dare Hawks to take Trae (they'll take Bagley at 3).

I think the surprise of the draft will be Doncic dropping far... his shooting will scare teams off, could very wall fall to Orlando regardless... so the better question is who would you rather have if both are available at 6... Doncic or Trae?

Doncic. I would take Doncic #2 overall.

[jayrehme]

this all depends on how they (Magic FO) feel about Doncic. If they're cool on him, why give up asset to ATL when you'll catch a good player at 6? Dare Hawks to take Trae (they'll take Bagley at 3).

I think the surprise of the draft will be Doncic dropping far... his shooting will scare teams off, could very wall fall to Orlando regardless... so the better question is who would you rather have if both are available at 6... Doncic or Trae?

His shooting will scare teams?

He is regularly described as “Ben Simmons with a jump shot.” If he is anywhere close to that then he will not leave the top 5 in ANY class.

If anything scares teams it will be questions of whether or not he actually joins the NBA next season.

His 3 point shooting which has become the most important shot in the NBA is what is in question on his shooting... Trae young is great playmaker and excellent long range shooter.

[Magic_Johnny12]

The marketing on some of these players is absolute genius.

I don't think I've seen such marketing excellence then what they're doing for Bamba then Porter is close second.

Curious what you've seen from Bamba's team, I have not seen anything yet and I love great marketing.

Dude it all started with marketing his length, for weeks all we heard from outlets was his wingspan, height (still growing) and freakishly big his hands are.

Then they focused on his speed. Mo Bamba posted a 3.04 3/4 court sprint in context would have T-1 at Combine, faster than Zhaire Smith & Lonnie Walker.

Also faster than:

Russell Westbrook: 3.08
D-Wade: 3.08
Harden: 3.13
John Wall: 3.14
Terry Rozier: 3.15
Kemba: 3.16
Oladipo: 3.25
Gobert: 3.57

Then his team focused on shooting, multiple videos were released with his new shooting mechanics and him draining 3's like Curry and how he is emulating his game after Anthony Davis, Embiid (even had a video showing a clip of Embiid doing a move and then Bamba copying it and looking better doing it).

Lastly, before the draft I'm imagining they're focusing on his overall image/IQ. ESPN has a special on him portraying his mannerism how he plays chess and if you watch his post workout interviews he never really compares himself to anyone and carries himself very well. Never sounds arrogant (Deandre Ayton) always well spoken and gives detailed though-out responses and not the normal vague responses we're use to.

I have a minor in marketing if that means anything and could immediately tell Bamba has a good team behind him, this also is a direct correlation on his intellect.

[YosemiteSam]

Dude it all started with marketing his length, for weeks all we heard from outlets was his wingspan, height (still growing) and freakishly big his hands are.

Then they focused on his speed. Mo Bamba posted a 3.04 3/4 court sprint in context would have T-1 at Combine, faster than Zhaire Smith & Lonnie Walker.

Also faster than:

Russell Westbrook: 3.08
D-Wade: 3.08
Harden: 3.13
John Wall: 3.14
Terry Rozier: 3.15
Kemba: 3.16
Oladipo: 3.25
Gobert: 3.57

Then his team focused on shooting, multiple videos were released with his new shooting mechanics and him draining 3's like Curry and how he is emulating his game after Anthony Davis, Embiid (even had a video showing a clip of Embiid doing a move and then Bamba copying it and looking better doing it).

Lastly, before the draft I'm imagining they're focusing on his overall image/IQ. ESPN has a special on him portraying his mannerism how he plays chess and if you watch his post workout interviews he never really compares himself to anyone and carries himself very well. Never sounds arrogant (Deandre Ayton) always well spoken and gives detailed though-out responses and not the normal vague responses we're use to.

I have a minor in marketing if that means anything and could immediately tell Bamba has a good team behind him, this also is a direct correlation on his intellect.

Agreed - his team has been masterful. Not that it might not be true, but everyone should realize much of the "content" on specific prospects ahead of the draft is well-coordinated hype from their agent teams. Bamba's stuff has just been more coordinated and some are just eating it up.

[Driguez]

This whole Bamba shooting 3s mean **** unless he's successfuly able to make them when it matters. On an empty gym anyone can make anything. Does everyone not remember Dwight hitting 3s on an empty gym?

[Knightro]

I don't think Memphis does this. I think it'll take Fournier and Simmons to move up.

We'll see.

I think this checks all the boxes for Memphis.

1. They still maintain a high lotto pick.
2. They get rid of Parsons and save a lot of money
3. They get another 1st round pick

If they took on Fournier, they'd actually be ADDING salary since Evan has another year longer than Parsons. Can't imagine they're really looking to take on money given their situation.

[MagicFan101]

I think the surprise of the draft will be Doncic dropping far... his shooting will scare teams off, could very wall fall to Orlando regardless... so the better question is who would you rather have if both are available at 6... Doncic or Trae?

His shooting will scare teams?

He is regularly described as “Ben Simmons with a jump shot.” If he is anywhere close to that then he will not leave the top 5 in ANY class.

If anything scares teams it will be questions of whether or not he actually joins the NBA next season.

His 3 point shooting which has become the most important shot in the NBA is what is in question on his shooting... Trae young is great playmaker and excellent long range shooter.

That just isn’t true.

No one is calling Doncic the next Ray Allen but his 3 point shot isn’t scaring teams away.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Guys there's no world where Memphis takes on Biyombos contract, put down the pipe-dream.

Biyombo's contract is equally as bad as Parsons, this makes no sense for Memphis.

Memphis is willing to drop down in the draft to shed salary not to take on an equally bad contract.

The only trade in my eyes that makes sense is the following.

Nikola Vucevic (expiring and stop gap center if they deal Gasol)
Terrence Ross (expiring and can do what Parsons was suppose to do)
#6

for

Chandler Parsons
#4

Memphis drafts Doncic for us and we draft whoever they want and falls to us out of Porter/JJJ/Bamba.

Memphis get's the player they wanted all along and sheds one of the worst contracts in the league at the same time. Orlando gets their superstar and goes ham in 2020 free agency.

I wouldn't be mad at all. Parsons actually might have a come back season playing in his hometown.

[VFX]

This whole Bamba shooting 3s mean **** unless he's successfuly able to make them when it matters. On an empty gym anyone can make anything. Does everyone not remember Dwight hitting 3s on an empty gym?

Bigs are more frequently displaying this in workouts prior to the draft because there isnt a reason to take a big in the lottery that can’t hit threes in a game and play 5 out. However, it isn’t even remotely the same thing. This is all novelty until it’s done reliably in a game.