NBA Draft 2018 6.0: Lucky #7 and 22.

[NecessaryEvil]

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#7, #22, Bobby Portis and Denzel to Sac for #2

DON LUKA

I would give anything we have for Luka...Even Lauri tbh. Lauri straight up for #2 and we get Luka!! I might even send Sac a box of chocolate thanking them...

[Betta Bulleavit]

Per Stein... MEM needs lottery pick to move #4.

Posturing. They know if they really want to go the vet route and win that doesn't happen with a rookie. They need to clear Parsons and sign a vet or two to be top 5 in the west next season.

If we can take on Faried for 14. Portis and 22 with 14 would be enough for them to move up if they wanted too. Portis helps their need to win too.

Problem there is that we aren't going to be able to get 14 and Faried without giving up 22 at the minimum. And even then, we'd need to figure out a way to open up enough cap space to still absorb Parson's, which would be damn near impossible if we take on Faried. If we found somebody to take Lopez, it might be feasible. Beyond that though, I just can't see it.

It is for this reason that I said on Friday that our best bet (to get 4 while keeping 7) is to work directly with Memphis to see if we could get them to bite on Portis, 22 and 2019 first (minimally protected).

I doubt Denver is looking for a pick in return for 14/Faried. They want to make the playoffs after missing by one game the last two years. They need inexpensive role players. Looking at their roster, they literally have one PG and one SF. I’m thinking that they would be interested in Holiday and Payne/Grant. If we send them Holiday and Payne, and take back 14, Faried and Arthur, that may entice them.

Faried and Arthur are expirings who add up to about 21 M. So we stretch them over three years. Net effect on our cap in 2018-2019 is actually slightly negative.

Then trade 14, 22, Portis and, if need be, Valentine for 4. That way MEM can compete for the playoffs and plan for the future.

Grizz are not going to get 7 from us, or anything close to 7 from anyone else. Only a few teams are going be able to do this deal and at least two - PHI and LAL - will be keeping their powder dry for LBJ. Only other candidates are ATL, SAC and DAL. None of them are trading their lotto picks for 4/Parsons. We would have a good shot at beating any offer unless a team started offering multiple future 1st round picks.


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That's the thing. The Denver transaction is going to cost us approximately 11M in cap space as you have it. We only have like 17M to start with. How exactly are we supposed to turn right around and absorb Parson's salary?

[Dresden]

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#7, #22, Bobby Portis and Denzel to Sac for #2

DON LUKA

I think something like that is reasonable. Wasn't it reported that MEM had inquired about a deal like that with us? Or that MEM would possibly accept that deal?

As I said in an earlier post, it's basically Niko and Portis to move up to #4. A lot of folks thought we should have got rid of Niko to start the year anyway, so it's basically just Portis.

This way, we are guaranteed one of Ayton, Doncic, Bagley, Porter, JJJ or Bamba.

OTH, more than likely, we'll get one of Porter, Bamba, JJJ, or Wendell Carter anyway. So it kind of depends on who you think we'd get at 4 that we won't get at 7, and if that guy is worth the 22 and Portis.

BTW, I heard Charles Barkely on the radio this morning, and he said the two best players in the draft are Ayton and Bamba.

[taj2133]

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[ChettheJet]

ATL has a tough choice.

This is their first lottery pick since Horford, 11 seasons ago.

They really have to pick between Trey and Luka, they need a name to kick start that franchise.
Either of these guys could have it. Anyone else they pick will just be a guy they develop. But these 2 are guys that come in to run the show. They need that. The fans want that.

Trey the fans know and would be a good choice to sell tix, but he's gonna need a yr or 2 to develop and build an NBA body.

Luka could be the franchise guy they need but the fans don't know him - and regardless of who picks Luka, they kid is not going to play next year very much. He's worn out from Euro league and every GM that watched Ben Simmons red shirt his freshman year in Philly will think the same for Luka. They will rest him and work on his transition to the NBA OFF the court.

I still can't belive the Suns hired his former Euro league coach and are going to pass on him. I think they take him, and the Ayton thing has been a smoke screen to see what value the top pick really is. Turns out no one wants it and that sucks for a team that has never had it and would trade it for a bonnafide super star for it if they could!

I can't wait, this should be a fun draft with a lot of trades and drama!

Here's the thing about thinking that a team hired somebody's coach, trainer, father it doesn't mean they are telgraphing what they're doing in the draft. Every agent knows who the teams hire and it doesn't mean anything. If a kid is so fragile that he needs the team to hire people he's worked with then how is he going to handle it when things get tough? No GM is going to draft one guy over another because they're from the same country. How many times were the Bulls supposed to trade for Okafor or Parker because they are from Chicago. They didn't because few teams are going to see any huge upswing in ticket sales because they bring in the homegrown kid. The reality is most teams don't want to draft a kid from their city because it puts a lot of pressure on a player on the floor to try and be a star and off the court he gets too much attention from his friends and hangers on that want to mooch off of him.

[bad knees]

Problem there is that we aren't going to be able to get 14 and Faried without giving up 22 at the minimum. And even then, we'd need to figure out a way to open up enough cap space to still absorb Parson's, which would be damn near impossible if we take on Faried. If we found somebody to take Lopez, it might be feasible. Beyond that though, I just can't see it.

It is for this reason that I said on Friday that our best bet (to get 4 while keeping 7) is to work directly with Memphis to see if we could get them to bite on Portis, 22 and 2019 first (minimally protected).

I doubt Denver is looking for a pick in return for 14/Faried. They want to make the playoffs after missing by one game the last two years. They need inexpensive role players. Looking at their roster, they literally have one PG and one SF. I’m thinking that they would be interested in Holiday and Payne/Grant. If we send them Holiday and Payne, and take back 14, Faried and Arthur, that may entice them.

Faried and Arthur are expirings who add up to about 21 M. So we stretch them over three years. Net effect on our cap in 2018-2019 is actually slightly negative.

Then trade 14, 22, Portis and, if need be, Valentine for 4. That way MEM can compete for the playoffs and plan for the future.

Grizz are not going to get 7 from us, or anything close to 7 from anyone else. Only a few teams are going be able to do this deal and at least two - PHI and LAL - will be keeping their powder dry for LBJ. Only other candidates are ATL, SAC and DAL. None of them are trading their lotto picks for 4/Parsons. We would have a good shot at beating any offer unless a team started offering multiple future 1st round picks.


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That's the thing. The Denver transaction is going to cost us approximately 11M in cap space as you have it. We only have like 17M to start with. How exactly are we supposed to turn right around and absorb Parson's salary?

All these deals are agreements that would be made now and executed in July.

So in July we would finalize the Nugs deal first.

Then immediately stretch Faried and Arthur.

Then consummate the MEM deal.

Then likely stretch Parsons immediately too (so the Bulls can re-sign LaVine and stay just few million over the salary floor).


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[thewraith]

You seem really amped up against a very unlikely draft outcome. Why discourage discussion?

You're trying too hard man. There's literally nothing "amped up" about what I asked

It's a legitimate question, it's not discouraging discussion it's a pipe dream that a bunch of fans hoping it happens from a fo that never does things like that.

Two sentences didn't take that much effort at all. Rather than sharing and discussing opinions you seem to attack others', as many here have pointed out to you. Your concerns for Doncic are valid but the opinion that Doncic may be a really great NBA player is equally valid. Instead of responses speaking in definitive against another's opinion, maybe just engage your own. I personally think that's more conducive to discussion, but I'm just making an observation.

Honestly I think this is a difference in how people communicate. I don't see what blicka is saying as bad or anything. It's also how me and my friends mess with each other offline. I think that's the biggest problem everybody only sees things from their pov and doesn't realize everybody isn't them or their friends. I even see that with myself on here but at the same time I feel people that have your pov don't try to look at from the other pov either. You just feel that someone is being a bad person when that could be generally how they interact with friends offline. That's just my observation too on top of if we saw each other in person I think a lot of why we have different pov on things would be glaringly obvious.

[Betta Bulleavit]

I doubt Denver is looking for a pick in return for 14/Faried. They want to make the playoffs after missing by one game the last two years. They need inexpensive role players. Looking at their roster, they literally have one PG and one SF. I’m thinking that they would be interested in Holiday and Payne/Grant. If we send them Holiday and Payne, and take back 14, Faried and Arthur, that may entice them.

Faried and Arthur are expirings who add up to about 21 M. So we stretch them over three years. Net effect on our cap in 2018-2019 is actually slightly negative.

Then trade 14, 22, Portis and, if need be, Valentine for 4. That way MEM can compete for the playoffs and plan for the future.

Grizz are not going to get 7 from us, or anything close to 7 from anyone else. Only a few teams are going be able to do this deal and at least two - PHI and LAL - will be keeping their powder dry for LBJ. Only other candidates are ATL, SAC and DAL. None of them are trading their lotto picks for 4/Parsons. We would have a good shot at beating any offer unless a team started offering multiple future 1st round picks.


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That's the thing. The Denver transaction is going to cost us approximately 11M in cap space as you have it. We only have like 17M to start with. How exactly are we supposed to turn right around and absorb Parson's salary?

All these deals are agreements that would be made now and executed in July.

So in July we would finalize the Nugs deal first.

Then immediately stretch Faried and Arthur.

Then consummate the MEM deal.

Then likely stretch Parsons immediately too (so the Bulls can re-sign LaVine and stay just few million over the salary floor).


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Ah, wasn't aware that we could do it that way.

[Chi town]

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Take on Faried for 14 and then trade 14 for OG.

[MisterRoy]

We have a little more than $17M: https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/CHI.html

[Repeat 3-peat]

They'll have to get in front of the Clippers of they want SGA

[Ctownbulls]

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#7, #22, Bobby Portis and Denzel to Sac for #2

DON LUKA

I would give anything we have for Luka...Even Lauri tbh. Lauri straight up for #2 and we get Luka!! I might even send Sac a box of chocolate thanking them...

You're right...nobody in the top 3 would trade their pick for Lauri.

[bad knees]

We have a little more than $17M: https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/CHI.html

Care to explain how you deduced 17 M in cap space from the link you provided?

Because I think that the number is substantially higher.

Unless you are thinking that the Bulls would refuse to renounce Vonleh’s cap hold even if doing so would allow them to trade for 4/Parsons.




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[taj2133]

OT: Cavs beat writer think cavs would take either collin sexton or wendell carter if they are there when they pick.

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[NecessaryEvil]

I would give anything we have for Luka...Even Lauri tbh. Lauri straight up for #2 and we get Luka!! I might even send Sac a box of chocolate thanking them...

You're right...nobody in the top 3 would trade their pick for Lauri.

i could care less what they would do

I WOULDN'T

if you would trade Luka for Lauri, that's on you

[KevinPandawong]

You're trying too hard man. There's literally nothing "amped up" about what I asked

It's a legitimate question, it's not discouraging discussion it's a pipe dream that a bunch of fans hoping it happens from a fo that never does things like that.

Two sentences didn't take that much effort at all. Rather than sharing and discussing opinions you seem to attack others', as many here have pointed out to you. Your concerns for Doncic are valid but the opinion that Doncic may be a really great NBA player is equally valid. Instead of responses speaking in definitive against another's opinion, maybe just engage your own. I personally think that's more conducive to discussion, but I'm just making an observation.

Honestly I think this is a difference in how people communicate. I don't see what blicka is saying as bad or anything. It's also how me and my friends mess with each other offline. I think that's the biggest problem everybody only sees things from their pov and doesn't realize everybody isn't them or their friends. I even see that with myself on here but at the same time I feel people that have your pov don't try to look at from the other pov either. You just feel that someone is being a bad person when that could be generally how they interact with friends offline. That's just my observation too on top of if we saw each other in person I think a lot of why we have different pov on things would be glaringly obvious.

I wasn't trying to take any moral high ground and apologize if it seems that way. I just personally found that the jabs or assertions over others' opinions was a derailment from the actual discussion. I can also see how ironic it is discussing this, as now I've become the derail-er. That's that last of my $.02.

[MisterRoy]

We have a little more than $17M: https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/CHI.html

Care to explain how you deduced 17 M in cap space from the link you provided?

Because I think that the number is substantially higher.

Unless you are thinking that the Bulls would refuse to renounce Vonleh’s cap hold even if doing so would allow them to trade for 4/Parsons.




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We have $61M committed and the salary cap is what, $101M? That's $40M in space. I am sure cap holds aren't going to take up $23M.

[bad knees]

We have a little more than $17M: https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/CHI.html

Care to explain how you deduced 17 M in cap space from the link you provided?

Because I think that the number is substantially higher.

Unless you are thinking that the Bulls would refuse to renounce Vonleh’s cap hold even if doing so would allow them to trade for 4/Parsons.




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We have $61M committed and the salary cap is what, $101M? That's $40M in space. I am sure cap holds aren't going to take up $23M.

Not sure but I think we are in agreement - the Bulls have substantially more than 17 M in cap space.


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[Ctownbulls]

You're right...nobody in the top 3 would trade their pick for Lauri.

i could care less what they would do

I WOULDN'T

if you would trade Luka for Lauri, that's on you

I actually don't disagree. I probably wouldn't either but I wouldn't be mad if they did.

[thewraith]

Two sentences didn't take that much effort at all. Rather than sharing and discussing opinions you seem to attack others', as many here have pointed out to you. Your concerns for Doncic are valid but the opinion that Doncic may be a really great NBA player is equally valid. Instead of responses speaking in definitive against another's opinion, maybe just engage your own. I personally think that's more conducive to discussion, but I'm just making an observation.

Honestly I think this is a difference in how people communicate. I don't see what blicka is saying as bad or anything. It's also how me and my friends mess with each other offline. I think that's the biggest problem everybody only sees things from their pov and doesn't realize everybody isn't them or their friends. I even see that with myself on here but at the same time I feel people that have your pov don't try to look at from the other pov either. You just feel that someone is being a bad person when that could be generally how they interact with friends offline. That's just my observation too on top of if we saw each other in person I think a lot of why we have different pov on things would be glaringly obvious.

I wasn't trying to take any moral high ground and apologize if it seems that way. I just personally found that the jabs or assertions over others' opinions was a derailment from the actual discussion. I can also see how ironic it is discussing this, as now I've become the derail-er. That's that last of my $.02.

I don't think you was trying to derail. I was just saying that we all should try to understand the other side and not assume because someone communicates differently that they are being rude. That was my only point but I agree more Bulls draft talk. Peace my man.