NBA Draft 2018 6.0: Lucky #7 and 22.

[Darius Miles Davis]

Problem there is that we aren't going to be able to get 14 and Faried without giving up 22 at the minimum. And even then, we'd need to figure out a way to open up enough cap space to still absorb Parson's, which would be damn near impossible if we take on Faried. If we found somebody to take Lopez, it might be feasible. Beyond that though, I just can't see it.

It is for this reason that I said on Friday that our best bet (to get 4 while keeping 7) is to work directly with Memphis to see if we could get them to bite on Portis, 22 and 2019 first (minimally protected).

I doubt Denver is looking for a pick in return for 14/Faried. They want to make the playoffs after missing by one game the last two years. They need inexpensive role players. Looking at their roster, they literally have one PG and one SF. I’m thinking that they would be interested in Holiday and Payne/Grant. If we send them Holiday and Payne, and take back 14, Faried and Arthur, that may entice them.

Faried and Arthur are expirings who add up to about 21 M. So we stretch them over three years. Net effect on our cap in 2018-2019 is actually slightly negative.

Then trade 14, 22, Portis and, if need be, Valentine for 4. That way MEM can compete for the playoffs and plan for the future.

Grizz are not going to get 7 from us, or anything close to 7 from anyone else. Only a few teams are going be able to do this deal and at least two - PHI and LAL - will be keeping their powder dry for LBJ. Only other candidates are ATL, SAC and DAL. None of them are trading their lotto picks for 4/Parsons. We would have a good shot at beating any offer unless a team started offering multiple future 1st round picks.


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That's the thing. The Denver transaction is going to cost us approximately 11M in cap space as you have it. We only have like 17M to start with. How exactly are we supposed to turn right around and absorb Parson's salary?

If you can trade Felicio or Asik to Memphis as part of the deal, perhaps you are closer to making the numbers work.


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[MisterRoy]

Care to explain how you deduced 17 M in cap space from the link you provided?

Because I think that the number is substantially higher.

Unless you are thinking that the Bulls would refuse to renounce Vonleh’s cap hold even if doing so would allow them to trade for 4/Parsons.




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We have $61M committed and the salary cap is what, $101M? That's $40M in space. I am sure cap holds aren't going to take up $23M.

Not sure but I think we are in agreement - the Bulls have substantially more than 17 M in cap space.


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Yes, we are in agreement. Sounds like I may have misunderstood something...

[fleet]

Closer we get to the draft the less I want Porter. Do not want. Stay away.

Well I want to see you guys melt down post Porter pick. George Carlin mode

[NecessaryEvil]

You're right...nobody in the top 3 would trade their pick for Lauri.

i could care less what they would do

I WOULDN'T

if you would trade Luka for Lauri, that's on you

I actually don't disagree. I probably wouldn't either but I wouldn't be mad if they did.

I hear you

Thing is, Bulls FO would NEVER do something like this. Sacramento would probably keep rolling the dice in our position. I think there's maybe 2-3 players in the whole league Bulls FO would trade Lauri for. But Paxson loves his picks too hard. So I doubt it, even then.

[NecessaryEvil]

Closer we get to the draft the less I want Porter. Do not want. Stay away.

Well I want to see you guys melt down post Porter pick. George Carlin mode

I am anticipation for the same spectacle

[MisterRoy]

There has to be a way we get 4 & 7...HAS to be a way.

[RememberLu]

Closer we get to the draft the less I want Porter. Do not want. Stay away.

Well I want to see you guys melt down post Porter pick. George Carlin mode

I am anticipation for the same spectacle

I already promised months ago that I wouldn't over react on draft day. We've seen enough drafts go by to know better than to get too high or too low on any pick. I'll save my over reaction if or when Porter's back starts acting up.

[NewEra21]

If we renounce all of our cap holds we could be able to take on Parsons and Faried. How does that work with resigning Lavine though? I really could care less if they did, but the Bulls seem like they're gonna get a deal done. Are they still able to match whatever offers he may get and go over the cap?

[League Circles]

There has to be a way we get 4 & 7...HAS to be a way.

Why? Do you just mean that you really want for there to be a way? If so, might as well say there just has to be a way we get Lebron and Kawhi.

[NecessaryEvil]

There has to be a way we get 4 & 7...HAS to be a way.

Nah, they were butt hurt when they moved to #4, no way they give up their pick after clearly tanking unless they're getting a hell of a package back + move Parsons

So, you can probably have #4 & #7 if you give them Lauri, which we wouldn't do.

[MisterRoy]

There has to be a way we get 4 & 7...HAS to be a way.

Why? Do you just mean that you really want for there to be a way? If so, might as well say there just has to be a way we get Lebron and Kawhi.

Dude, don't be that way. We have discussed several ways to get 4 & Parsons from Memphis. One of those ways would be a way to get 4. We have 7. I am just trying to be hopeful.

[blicka]

You seem really amped up against a very unlikely draft outcome. Why discourage discussion?

You're trying too hard man. There's literally nothing "amped up" about what I asked

It's a legitimate question, it's not discouraging discussion it's a pipe dream that a bunch of fans hoping it happens from a fo that never does things like that.

Two sentences didn't take that much effort at all. Rather than sharing and discussing opinions you seem to attack others', as many here have pointed out to you. Your concerns for Doncic are valid but the opinion that Doncic may be a really great NBA player is equally valid. Instead of responses speaking in definitive against another's opinion, maybe just engage your own. I personally think that's more conducive to discussion, but I'm just making an observation.

I don't 'attack' anyone. I think doncic is overrated and being put on a pedestal cuz he a whiteboy, I've been mocked and called xenophobic because I don't kiss his ass like the rest of the these middle aged groupies.

The bulls aren't doing any of these garbage trade proposals for this slow mf. Accept it and move on

[League Circles]

There has to be a way we get 4 & 7...HAS to be a way.

Why? Do you just mean that you really want for there to be a way? If so, might as well say there just has to be a way we get Lebron and Kawhi.

Dude, don't be that way. We have discussed several ways to get 4 & Parsons from Memphis. One of those ways would be a way to get 4. We have 7. I am just trying to be hopeful.

Fair enough. I think it's a pipe dream.

[fleet]

Pretty good article on former NBA/ current Euroleague players opinions on Doncic

https://uproxx.com/dimemag/luka-doncic-2018-nba-draft-scouting-report-euroleague-strengths-weaknesses/

Apparently No one on this forum cares what actual euroleague players think about doncic

Message board posters with 40k posts and no connection to pro basketball at all opinions matter more.

there are a couple posters with far less posts suddenly deciding to become self-appointed post quality police, and you are one of them. Recede.

[NDave79]

Apparently Nash is a fan of Doncic

“I think Luka is a dream prospect,” Nash told Yahoo Sports. “Big and mobile enough in the modern game and can guard multiple positions. He has a skillset, a winning mentality and leadership qualities.”

https://sports.yahoo.com/luka-doncic-might-safest-pick-nba-draft-144228512.html


Pretty good article. Gives some insight into Luka's mentality.

[kristov]

Closer we get to the draft the less I want Porter. Do not want. Stay away.

Well I want to see you guys melt down post Porter pick. George Carlin mode

Like they did when Lauri was selected last year.

[RememberLu]

Closer we get to the draft the less I want Porter. Do not want. Stay away.

Well I want to see you guys melt down post Porter pick. George Carlin mode

Like they did when Lauri was selected last year.

I didn't.

[bulliedog8]

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[MisterRoy]

We have $61M committed and the salary cap is what, $101M? That's $40M in space. I am sure cap holds aren't going to take up $23M.

Not sure but I think we are in agreement - the Bulls have substantially more than 17 M in cap space.


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Yes, we are in agreement. Sounds like I may have misunderstood something...

However, between Vonleh and Lavine, That's over $19M in cap hold. Looks like I was wrong about the amount.

[Poohdini1]

My opinion - Jabari Parker is a better version of what I think MPJ will become. There's some differences stylistically but essentially, for a score-1st combo forward, I like Jabari more, and they both have their injury issues.

I think Jabari has proven that he can shoot the rock (37% from 3 the last couple of years and 49% FG), has slightly better chops as a ball handler and passer, boards well (around 7 per 40 over the last couple of seasons), has similar scoring volume (20ppg sort of guy given the role and minutes), plays within a team offense better and is much more viable at the 3 than MPJ.

Obviously, that all comes down to his price point, because MPJ would be coming on a rookie scale deal as opposed to Jabari if you signed him, but all that aside, if you don't like Jabari regardless of injury history, then I think you should question you interest in MPJ. I've seen people talk about MPJ's ability to get to his shot as a rare ability that should be coveted at a very high level, but just remember, some of you also bash guys like Lavine and Parker for their deficiencies in the same breath, so consider MPJ's flaws as well when evaluating him.

I'm not sure either guy is a perfect fit given the defensive issues surrounding both, but I do believe that Jabari has star potential when healthy.

I think a combo forward needs to be on the cards somehow over the next few years. Miles Bridges, Knox or MPJ in this draft, Jabari in FA, or one of the many names like Zion Williamson, Sekou Doumbouya, Nassir Little, Rui Hachimura, Deandre Hunter in the 2019 draft.. there's plenty of avenues to acquire this piece. Either way, somebody who can both man that SF spot and slide up to the 4 effectively and allowing Lauri to play the 5 makes a tonne of sense. Out of those names, I'm not sure MPJ is an ideal fit unless he can make major changes to his decision making, passing, and most importantly, defense.

I agree with most of your assessment, but what have you seen from Jabari that makes you think he's a better option playing the 3 than MPJ?

For me, he's clearly a 4 in today's NBA which complicates his fit in Milwaukee because Giannis plays there primarily. Jabari's done his ACL twice now and has a huge frame, and that's without taking into account he didn't have much lateral speed to guard the perimeter coming into the league before he got hurt.

I think he's got more upside than MPJ overall, but his most successful position will be the 4 and I've seen little from him to show otherwise.

MPJ's best position will be at the 4 too. I've seen a ton of footage of him and with every minute more I'm more convinced he will be a 4 in the NBA. He and Lauri will not complement each other well, because they use the same spots. I don't know why some are convinced he is a 3, because he seems like a prototype stretch 4 to me.

I don't disagree with that, I think Lauri and him in the frontcourt can do some damage offensively. I was just saying I don't know why he thinks Jabari will be better than MPJ playing the 3 going forward. Both will probably have more success at the 4, but for me, MPJ's quickness gives him an edge over Jabari defending the perimeter.