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NBA Draft 2018 6.0: Lucky #7 and 22.

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Young
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16%
Carter
42
25%
Porter
75
44%
Bridges
15
9%
Knox
6
4%
Sexton
5
3%
 
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Re: NBA Draft 2018 6.0: Lucky #7 and 22. 

Post#541 » by Poohdini1 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:35 pm

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Poohdini1 wrote:If we're set on going SF at 7, Knox or Miles are much better, higher upside options than Mikal.

At that point, just draft Zhaire Smith. He'll be a physical outlier even at the NBA level. And unlike Knox he actually knows what to do with it.

Love Zhaire. If he had any semblance of a consistent jumper he'd be a lock for the top 7-8.
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Post#542 » by Red Larrivee » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:39 pm

bpguimaraes23 wrote:The problem with Bridges is not his age, is his ceiling. You don't tank to draft role players. You tank for the chance to draft a potential star. What good is a role player without a star to build around?


You could always draft a "potential" star and have the pick backfire, while a lower ceiling player lives up to potential. At this point, what you thought the Bulls were tanking for to start this doesn't matter anymore. You just want a good player who adds long-term value to this rebuild.

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Post#543 » by taj2133 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:40 pm

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Re: NBA Draft 2018 6.0: Lucky #7 and 22. 

Post#544 » by Chicagoat » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:45 pm

Mikal has a role player mentality. Would rather go for Miles instead
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Re: NBA Draft 2018 6.0: Lucky #7 and 22. 

Post#545 » by JohnnyTapwater » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:47 pm

We forget. Mikal Bridges is such a Pax pick. A winner from a good program. Dripping with jib when you think about it.
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Re: NBA Draft 2018 6.0: Lucky #7 and 22. 

Post#546 » by Truebiscuit » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:48 pm

Poohdini1 wrote:
Truebiscuit wrote:
Lauri_Bird wrote:
I like Mikal...

The problem with Mikal is timing. Hes not the pick I want on year #1 of rebuilding. His ceiling is not that high and hes already 22. You should take risks on the first year of a rebuilding imo.


I understand your point, but I do want to point out that we have a 24 year old Kris Dunn, 23 year old Zach Lavine, and 21 year old Lauri Markkanen. If you find a 21 year old 3-and-D wing that is the perfect fit to your current core... why bypass that?

Because Dunn & Lavine aren't stars and would probably start on only 2-3 teams in the league.


How are you so confident about this? Dunn has improved from year 1 to year 2 in the league, that can't be debated if you watched the games (or if you look at the stats if you want to go that route). LaVine is coming off a torn ACL but showed flashes of returning to his former self last season. These kids are young and they are workers; I'll never count someone like that out when it comes to improvement/development.
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Re: NBA Draft 2018 6.0: Lucky #7 and 22. 

Post#547 » by Truebiscuit » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:48 pm

JohnnyTapwater wrote:We forget. Mikal Bridges is such a Pax pick. A winner from a good program. Dripping with jib when you think about it.


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Post#548 » by Dan Z » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:51 pm

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bpguimaraes23 wrote:The problem with Bridges is not his age, is his ceiling. You don't tank to draft role players. You tank for the chance to draft a potential star. What good is a role player without a star to build around?


You could always draft a "potential" star and have the pick backfire, while a lower ceiling player lives up to potential. At this point, what you thought the Bulls were tanking for to start this doesn't matter anymore. You just want a good player who adds long-term value to this rebuild.

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Maybe Mikal Bridges ends up being better than most people think he'll be...? It's possible. Look at Mitchell. Who thought that he'd turn out to be the player he now is?
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Post#549 » by TheSuzerain » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:52 pm

Truebiscuit wrote:
Poohdini1 wrote:
Truebiscuit wrote:
I understand your point, but I do want to point out that we have a 24 year old Kris Dunn, 23 year old Zach Lavine, and 21 year old Lauri Markkanen. If you find a 21 year old 3-and-D wing that is the perfect fit to your current core... why bypass that?

Because Dunn & Lavine aren't stars and would probably start on only 2-3 teams in the league.


How are you so confident about this? Dunn has improved from year 1 to year 2 in the league, that can't be debated if you watched the games (or if you look at the stats if you want to go that route). LaVine is coming off a torn ACL but showed flashes of returning to his former self last season. These kids are young and they are workers; I'll never count someone like that out when it comes to improvement/development.

There's really not much evidence that Dunn/Lavine work harder than other NBAers.
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Post#550 » by holv03 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:53 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:
Poohdini1 wrote:If we're set on going SF at 7, Knox or Miles are much better, higher upside options than Mikal.

At that point, just draft Zhaire Smith. He'll be a physical outlier even at the NBA level. And unlike Knox he actually knows what to do with it.



Knox is only 18 years old. He will keep on improving. He will be better than Smith. I believe he is the youngest player in the draft.
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Post#551 » by TheSuzerain » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:58 pm

holv03 wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:
Poohdini1 wrote:If we're set on going SF at 7, Knox or Miles are much better, higher upside options than Mikal.

At that point, just draft Zhaire Smith. He'll be a physical outlier even at the NBA level. And unlike Knox he actually knows what to do with it.



Knox is only 18 years old. He will keep on improving. He will be better than Smith. I believe he is the youngest player in the draft.

Knox is 2 months younger than Smith. And was far worse at the college level.
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Post#552 » by NecessaryEvil » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:58 pm

holv03 wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:
Poohdini1 wrote:If we're set on going SF at 7, Knox or Miles are much better, higher upside options than Mikal.

At that point, just draft Zhaire Smith. He'll be a physical outlier even at the NBA level. And unlike Knox he actually knows what to do with it.



Knox is only 18 years old. He will keep on improving. He will be better than Smith. I believe he is the youngest player in the draft.


Buddy just called Klay Thompson mediocre
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Post#553 » by NecessaryEvil » Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:00 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:
holv03 wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:At that point, just draft Zhaire Smith. He'll be a physical outlier even at the NBA level. And unlike Knox he actually knows what to do with it.



Knox is only 18 years old. He will keep on improving. He will be better than Smith. I believe he is the youngest player in the draft.

Knox is 2 months younger than Smith. And was far worse at the college level.


2 whole months huh
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Post#554 » by Repeat 3-peat » Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:01 pm

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G Buckets wrote:Bridges checks off all the boxes, he isn't Bamba(bigger name) but he has the tools to be an All NBA defender with the abilty to knock down 3 pointers at a 40% clip.

He has been by guy since the college season. Would be extremely happy with him at #7.


People want to bag on his age, too, but again if you compare him to Klay Thompson you'll see that Bridges is 5 months older than Thompson was when he was drafted. Big-freaking-whoop.


His age use to be the norm in the NBA. Talent is talent. The league would probably be deeper in terms of good players if more stayed in school to develop like Mikal did.

Speaking of Golden State, Steph Curry was also a 3+ year player at college, came in the league at 21 years of age then turned 22 a little after the new year. The age thing is over blown.
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Re: NBA Draft 2018 6.0: Lucky #7 and 22. 

Post#555 » by holv03 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:03 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:
holv03 wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:At that point, just draft Zhaire Smith. He'll be a physical outlier even at the NBA level. And unlike Knox he actually knows what to do with it.



Knox is only 18 years old. He will keep on improving. He will be better than Smith. I believe he is the youngest player in the draft.

Knox is 2 months younger than Smith. And was far worse at the college level.


Smith is an athletic freak with very good defense he reminds me of Gerald Green. While Knox to me has the potential to be a Paul George type of player.
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Post#556 » by TheSuzerain » Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:04 pm

NecessaryEvil wrote:
holv03 wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:At that point, just draft Zhaire Smith. He'll be a physical outlier even at the NBA level. And unlike Knox he actually knows what to do with it.



Knox is only 18 years old. He will keep on improving. He will be better than Smith. I believe he is the youngest player in the draft.


Buddy just called Klay Thompson mediocre

I said aside from his historic shooting, he's mediocre.

Klay averages less than 4 rebounds per game and 2.5 assists. He's worse than mediocre in that regard.

His Career Playoff PER is 14 with a usage of 22.
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Re: NBA Draft 2018 6.0: Lucky #7 and 22. 

Post#557 » by BigUps » Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:05 pm

blicka wrote:Giovany lost credibility after this terrible take on ben simmons 2 years

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/why-ben-simmons-isn-t-the-top-prospect-in-the-2016-nba-draft-190023711.html

Looks even worse now. Another reason why I don't buy doncic hype, giovany been pushin him hard


He (and many others) was big on Johnny Flynn too and that didn't work out. However, Givony has been spot on more than not. You can't get them all right. He's still very credible and relevant to dissecting NBA prospects.
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Re: NBA Draft 2018 6.0: Lucky #7 and 22. 

Post#558 » by NecessaryEvil » Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:06 pm

G Buckets wrote:
Truebiscuit wrote:
G Buckets wrote:Bridges checks off all the boxes, he isn't Bamba(bigger name) but he has the tools to be an All NBA defender with the abilty to knock down 3 pointers at a 40% clip.

He has been by guy since the college season. Would be extremely happy with him at #7.


People want to bag on his age, too, but again if you compare him to Klay Thompson you'll see that Bridges is 5 months older than Thompson was when he was drafted. Big-freaking-whoop.


His age use to be the norm in the NBA. Talent is talent. The league would probably be deeper in talent if players stayed in school to develop like Mikal did.

Speaking of Golden State, Steph Curry was also a 3+ year player at college, came in the league at 21 years of age then turned 22 a little after the new year. The age thing is over blown.


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Some of these posters sound like cougars. Want these kids as young as possible lol

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Re: NBA Draft 2018 6.0: Lucky #7 and 22. 

Post#559 » by Dresden » Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:10 pm

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TheSuzerain wrote:Mikal doesn't have the size/weight to guard 4's or even star 3's. His closest physical doppelganger in the league honestly might be Justin Holiday.

You want guys like Mikal Bridges on your team. You don't want to use a top 10 pick to draft them.


Then I guess Bamba is out, too, because he doesn't have the size or strength to guard centers or even most pf's.

There's no reason Bridges cannot get stronger. He may never be able to guard Lebron as well as say, Andre Igoudala does, but he'll be fine for most 3's, and a lot of 4's. His reach will help make up for whatever he lacks in strength in the beginning and he should get stronger as time goes on. He's not nearly the project physically that Bamba is going to be.

There is a reason Bridges cannot get stronger, it's called frame. He's got a slight one.

Also, Bamba has an outlier frame in terms of dimensions. Bridges has a pretty standard height/wingspan for a wing these days. Nice wingspan but not a freak among the NBA.

I like Bridges as a supporting piece. But he'd basically have nothing to support in Chicago.


Anyone can get stronger, it doesn't matter how broad his shoulders are. You can always add strength. Steph Curry even has added strength since he's been in the league.
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Post#560 » by Ctownbulls » Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:10 pm

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bpguimaraes23 wrote:The problem with Bridges is not his age, is his ceiling. You don't tank to draft role players. You tank for the chance to draft a potential star. What good is a role player without a star to build around?


You could always draft a "potential" star and have the pick backfire, while a lower ceiling player lives up to potential. At this point, what you thought the Bulls were tanking for to start this doesn't matter anymore. You just want a good player who adds long-term value to this rebuild.

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Age is also a problem. It is a big deal...

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