Draft Thread #16 - UPDATE pg 75ish - Knicks inquiring about trade ups

[taj2133]

The Hawks have made Dennis Schroder "available for trades," according to Jeremy Woo of Sports Illustrated.

Last month, Schroder made some controversial comments at a press conference. "I have to look individually what’s the best for me," Schroder said. "I will be 25 in September... I cannot be second to last in the Eastern Conference. That’s why I will have the talks with the Atlanta Hawks." The Hawks have two picks in the top-20 in the 2018 draft, so they may explore adding a young point guard to the roster
https://www.si.com/nba/2018/06/19/nba-mock-draft-2018-rumors-deandre-ayton-marvin-bagley-trae-young-suns-kings-hawks-cavaliers-knicks?utm_medium=social&xid=socialflow_twitter_si&utm_campaign=thecrosso
http://www.rotoworld.com/sports/nba/basketball?ls=roto:nba:gnav

[KnixinSix]

Based on reports my latest Knicks Big Board:

1. Ayrton Chance at #9 -0%
2. Doncic Chance at #9 -0% (chance in top 4 -50%/ possible trade up option?)
3. Begley Chance at #9 -0%
4. JJJ Chance at #9 -0%
5. Porter Chance at #9 – 20% (could be off the Knicks board entirely with injury drama stuff)
6. Young Chance at #9 -25% (interest Hawks #3, Magic #6, Bulls #7,Cleveland #8)
7. Wendell Carter Chance at #9- 40%
8. Bamba Chance at #9-30% (down this low due to limited offensive upside, Knicks may not want him)
9. Knox Chance at 9- 70% (interest Magic #6, Bulls #7)
10. Sexton Chance at 9- 70% (Magic #6)
11. Lonnie Walker Chance at #9-85%

[knickstape4ever]

Lots of rumblings today
(Some of which contradict one another).

- SI's latest mock said that the Knicks seem to be zeroed in on drafting a point guard at 9. If Young is gone, they think Sexton is their guy

- Berman said that the Knicks "believe Young would be a significant upgrade with a high upside and would snatch him if he fell.”

(both of those contradict what Givony said yesterday)

- More buzz is building for Trae Young at 3 to Atlanta

- Givony said that Cleveland is enamored with SGA and seems to be their target

- Steve Kyler reaffirmed what Woj said yesterday about Sexton being Orlando's guy as of now

- He also said that Bamba is the most likely to fall of the top 5 guys and while there are some teams interested in the top 7, he doesn't seem to be the top option for any of them

- MPJ said on the radio that he has a near guarantee from a team picking high

hard to believe that they'd be "zeroed in" on a PG. None of these PG's has really distinguished themselves as a definite top pick

[TheGreenArrow]

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[magnumt]

So Trae is a better version of Burke. Keep him.

Having them both ensures that there is a major defensive liability on the floor at all times.

It's kind of like having 2 Kanters.

a lot of that can be masked by frank and and elite sf defender...maybe a quite dude with cornrows

The quiet dude with cornrows will cost Frank and the pick that would select Trae

Not if you wait until 2019.

Fact is, we should not be looking to draft guys because of what's on the roster, we're not ready to compete yet. We need talent. If it's Knox, Trae, Mikal, Sexton, Carter, MPJr, etc.

I'm lower on MPJr because of his injury risk, and Carter because of our Frontcourt depth. I'm not sure if he'd get adequate early development. Trae is different because he has ELITE potential and would DEFINITELY get PT.

--Mags

[magnumt]

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Fuqn fuq fuqery!!!!!!!!

Man I hate the Celtics!

--Mags

[GONYK]

a lot of that can be masked by frank and and elite sf defender...maybe a quite dude with cornrows

The quiet dude with cornrows will cost Frank and the pick that would select Trae

Not if you wait until 2019.

Fact is, we should not be looking to draft guys because of what's on the roster, we're not ready to compete yet. We need talent. If it's Knox, Trae, Mikal, Sexton, Carter, MPJr, etc.

I'm lower on MPJr because of his injury risk, and Carter because of our Frontcourt depth. I'm not sure if he'd get adequate early development. Trae is different because he has ELITE potential and would DEFINITELY get PT.

--Mags

I'm not saying don't draft Trae. I'm saying if we draft Trae, Burke needs to go.

And I seriously doubt Kawhi hits FA, but that's a different issue.

[Knicksfan1992]

Miles Bridges at 14 with Knox, SGA, and Jerome Robinson all going ahead of him is frickin criminal... God what do these execs even see on the floor lol

who gives a chit? His offensive game is miles (pun intended) ahead of Knox's and defensively even though his measurables are worse than Knox's his motor is much higher than Knox's is. Knox has a way to go reach Bridges's skill level and ability on BOTH ends of the floor. My question is at what point does youthfulness and measurables get offset by actual production and translatable skill? I just don't get it. To me, Miles is so much more advanced than Knox in so many ways that Knox's youth and measurables don't really matter to me. I think scouts have a hard time separating perceived potential due to age and length from what these guys actually bring to the floor. Like, to me, Miles's median outcome is way higher than Knox's that I don't understand the point in chasing Knox's perceived slight ceiling upgrade

[earthmansurfer]

I don't think we need two undersized guards who are shoot first, offer no defensive versatility, and probably can't outproduce their defensive liability.

Essentially, we don't need two 6th men who have the same exact strengths and weaknesses.

Burke doesn't have Trae's range or passing ability.

They're both offensive PGs, but approach things differently.

--Mags

So Trae is a better version of Burke. Keep him.

Having them both ensures that there is a major defensive liability on the floor at all times.

It's kind of like having 2 Kanters.

Lol, true, but at least we can move the asset.
Though I would rather go with the 2 way player, barring Trae being offensively generationa in managements eyes.
Bu then I move Burke.

[knickstape4ever]

Miles Bridges at 14 with Knox, SGA, and Jerome Robinson all going ahead of him is frickin criminal... God what do these execs even see on the floor lol

who gives a chit? His offensive game is miles (pun intended) ahead of Knox's and defensively even though his measurables are worse than Knox's his motor is much higher than Knox's is. Knox has a way to go reach Bridges's skill level and ability on BOTH ends of the floor. My question is at what point does youthfulness and measurables get offset by actual production and translatable skill? I just don't get it. To me, Miles is so much more advanced than Knox in so many ways that Knox's youth and measurables don't really matter to me. I think scouts have a hard time separating perceived potential due to age and length from what these guys actually bring to the floor. Like, to me, Miles's median outcome is way higher than Knox's that I don't understand the point in chasing Knox's perceived slight ceiling upgrade

People dont realize that Miles was a better player his freshman year than Knox was this year. Showed more on both ends of the court, and is an athletic freak with a high motor and strong work ethic. What has Knox shown that makes people think he's gonna take a huge leap?

[Knicksfan1992]

who gives a chit? His offensive game is miles (pun intended) ahead of Knox's and defensively even though his measurables are worse than Knox's his motor is much higher than Knox's is. Knox has a way to go reach Bridges's skill level and ability on BOTH ends of the floor. My question is at what point does youthfulness and measurables get offset by actual production and translatable skill? I just don't get it. To me, Miles is so much more advanced than Knox in so many ways that Knox's youth and measurables don't really matter to me. I think scouts have a hard time separating perceived potential due to age and length from what these guys actually bring to the floor. Like, to me, Miles's median outcome is way higher than Knox's that I don't understand the point in chasing Knox's perceived slight ceiling upgrade

People dont realize that Miles was a better player his freshman year than Knox was this year. Showed more on both ends of the court, and is an athletic freak with a high motor and strong work ethic. What has Knox shown that makes people think he's gonna take a huge leap?

Longer arms and a later birth certificate is all I see

[dakomish23]

Sexton to ORL guarantees that we get a shot at Mikal, MPJ or Trae. Can't complain if we land one of those guys.

Ayton
Doncic
Bomba
Bagley
JJJ
Sexton
Mikal / MPJ / Trae
Mikal / MPJ / Trae
Mikal / MPJ / Trae

[F N 11]

Mikal's Skinny Ole legs made me back track a little.

[Grinditout]

Since the hiring of Fizdale, I'm more ok with Knox if it is the pick. Fix would be a good motivator I think.

I'm also still on board with Mikal as well.

[knickstape4ever]

Sexton to ORL guarantees that we get a shot at Mikal, MPJ or Trae. Can't complain if we land one of those guys.

Ayton
Doncic
Bomba
Bagley
JJJ
Sexton
Mikal / MPJ / Trae
Mikal / MPJ / Trae
Mikal / MPJ / Trae

...and Carter who IMO is the dark horse pick

[Knicksfan20]

NBA isnt about what you’ve done, it’s about what you can do. Otherwise Adam Morrison and Freddette would be the GOATS.

[HarthorneWingo]

who gives a chit? His offensive game is miles (pun intended) ahead of Knox's and defensively even though his measurables are worse than Knox's his motor is much higher than Knox's is. Knox has a way to go reach Bridges's skill level and ability on BOTH ends of the floor. My question is at what point does youthfulness and measurables get offset by actual production and translatable skill? I just don't get it. To me, Miles is so much more advanced than Knox in so many ways that Knox's youth and measurables don't really matter to me. I think scouts have a hard time separating perceived potential due to age and length from what these guys actually bring to the floor. Like, to me, Miles's median outcome is way higher than Knox's that I don't understand the point in chasing Knox's perceived slight ceiling upgrade

People dont realize that Miles was a better player his freshman year than Knox was this year. Showed more on both ends of the court, and is an athletic freak with a high motor and strong work ethic. What has Knox shown that makes people think he's gonna take a huge leap?

I'm good with each of the following:

Mikal
Miles
Knox
Carter

If we pick a guard, then I'm gonna just have to trust our FO until we get to see for ourselves. I'm ok with taking one if we trade Mudiay tho.

[magnumt]

Mags Final Mock

1. Ayton
2. Bagley
3. Trae
4. Doncic
5. Bamba
6. Sexton
7. Triple J
8. MPJr
9. Mikal
10. Knox
11. SGA
12. Carter
13. Walker
14. Miles

Agree/Disagree? What selections throw you off?

--Mags

[mpharris36]

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I don't believe that for one second. They have 3/4 top notch wings already...

[DOT]

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I don't believe that for one second. They have 3/4 top notch wings already...

Yeah, but only one of them is white, and this is Boston we're talking about