Draft Thread 7.0: The Final Countdown

[Nemesis21]

https://247sports.com/college/west-virginia/Article/Jevon-Carter-will-work-out-for-the-Orlando-Magic-on-Friday-119060490/


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That was last Friday

Stiu

STDs?

[NavalAviator94]

I think a lot of Magic fans suffer from recency bias with draft picks. Because we've drafted more athletes than shooters the past few years and the team has been bad, I think people are reluctant to look at half of the top prospects that other boards/forums rank so highly.

But it's not like our draft picks have been bad, we just sucked at creating a good team, stability, environment, etc.

My point is that I think we shouldn't turn our nose up at players that aren't Trae Young just because we do need shooting. All I want us to do is draft the player we think will be the best player in the future and who can be an all-star for us. Also if we do take a "reach", it would be nice to acquire some nice assets to move back a little if we predict that player to be in that position.

Exactly.

The players Orlando has acquired don’t make sense together cohesively as a team. There has been no identity since Dwight and Stan left. Orlando needs everything with the exception of cutting into playing time for Isaac and a possibly maxed AG.

People are completely sold on Trae because Orlando lacks offensive firepower and playmaking. However, I think SGA and possibly Sexton could be more complete basketball players. That being said, I’ve always been in the camp of providing rookies with ample playing time and opportunity, so I understand why management is looking at all point guard options - Simons, Sexton, SGA, and Young.

The biggest mistake we made was not listening to Skiles on Elfrid.

[Patrick1978]

That was last Friday

Stiu

STDs?

I know it was last friday

[basketballRob]

Longer version of Weltman's interview.

Watch on YouTube

[SOUL]

I think a lot of Magic fans suffer from recency bias with draft picks. Because we've drafted more athletes than shooters the past few years and the team has been bad, I think people are reluctant to look at half of the top prospects that other boards/forums rank so highly.

But it's not like our draft picks have been bad, we just sucked at creating a good team, stability, environment, etc.

My point is that I think we shouldn't turn our nose up at players that aren't Trae Young just because we do need shooting. All I want us to do is draft the player we think will be the best player in the future and who can be an all-star for us. Also if we do take a "reach", it would be nice to acquire some nice assets to move back a little if we predict that player to be in that position.

Exactly.

The players Orlando has acquired don’t make sense together cohesively as a team. There has been no identity since Dwight and Stan left. Orlando needs everything with the exception of cutting into playing time for Isaac and a possibly maxed AG.

People are completely sold on Trae because Orlando lacks offensive firepower and playmaking. However, I think SGA and possibly Sexton could be more complete basketball players. That being said, I’ve always been in the camp of providing rookies with ample playing time and opportunity, so I understand why management is looking at all point guard options - Simons, Sexton, SGA, and Young.

The biggest mistake we made was not listening to Skiles on Elfrid.

And doing what? Trading him after coming off of a good rookie season? The biggest mistake we made around that time was trading Tobias for garbage to appease Skiles even though he knew he was taking over a young team.

[NavalAviator94]

Longer version of Weltman's interview.

Watch on YouTube

As much as I would like to listen to the interview I know it's going provide zip.

Let me guess

- We are exploring all options

- Trading up OR Trading Down

- We think there are good players in this draft

etc, etc, etc,

[Patrick1978]

I think a lot of Magic fans suffer from recency bias with draft picks. Because we've drafted more athletes than shooters the past few years and the team has been bad, I think people are reluctant to look at half of the top prospects that other boards/forums rank so highly.

But it's not like our draft picks have been bad, we just sucked at creating a good team, stability, environment, etc.

My point is that I think we shouldn't turn our nose up at players that aren't Trae Young just because we do need shooting. All I want us to do is draft the player we think will be the best player in the future and who can be an all-star for us. Also if we do take a "reach", it would be nice to acquire some nice assets to move back a little if we predict that player to be in that position.

Exactly.

The players Orlando has acquired don’t make sense together cohesively as a team. There has been no identity since Dwight and Stan left. Orlando needs everything with the exception of cutting into playing time for Isaac and a possibly maxed AG.

People are completely sold on Trae because Orlando lacks offensive firepower and playmaking. However, I think SGA and possibly Sexton could be more complete basketball players. That being said, I’ve always been in the camp of providing rookies with ample playing time and opportunity, so I understand why management is looking at all point guard options - Simons, Sexton, SGA, and Young.

I like your post sir.
You have really good arguments.

[Nemesis21]

I didn't realize that Jontay Porter went back to Missouri.

[nymets1]

https://247sports.com/college/west-virginia/Article/Jevon-Carter-will-work-out-for-the-Orlando-Magic-on-Friday-119060490/


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YES this guy should definitely be one of our targets in the 2nd round. The news on US working out Jevon Carter should get 20+ and 1's.

Espn Mock draft special just came on ESPN2 about 8:09pm eastern time and should be on ESPN2 through 9pm.

[NavalAviator94]

Exactly.

The players Orlando has acquired don’t make sense together cohesively as a team. There has been no identity since Dwight and Stan left. Orlando needs everything with the exception of cutting into playing time for Isaac and a possibly maxed AG.

People are completely sold on Trae because Orlando lacks offensive firepower and playmaking. However, I think SGA and possibly Sexton could be more complete basketball players. That being said, I’ve always been in the camp of providing rookies with ample playing time and opportunity, so I understand why management is looking at all point guard options - Simons, Sexton, SGA, and Young.

The biggest mistake we made was not listening to Skiles on Elfrid.

And doing what? Trading him after coming off of a good rookie season? The biggest mistake we made around that time was trading Tobias for garbage to appease Skiles even though he knew he was taking over a young team.

- Finding a better PG option while his he still had a semblance of value maybe?

- That opens up the door for a completely different direction - mainly no Bismack contract one would hope.

- I wasn't a fan either of the Tobias trade but I could understand it in the context.

[Nemesis21]

This

Read on Twitter

I've seen some here not wanting Doncic, and comparing to Mario.

[NavalAviator94]

The biggest mistake we made was not listening to Skiles on Elfrid.

And doing what? Trading him after coming off of a good rookie season? The biggest mistake we made around that time was trading Tobias for garbage to appease Skiles even though he knew he was taking over a young team.

- Finding a better PG option while his he still had a semblance of value maybe?

- That opens up the door for a completely different direction - mainly no Bismack contract one would hope.

- I wasn't a fan either of the Tobias trade but I could understand it in the context.

And one other point on Elf/Skiles - I completely trusted Skiles ability to judge a PG and he knew that ELF wasn't what we needed and was right.

Still - I don't like to look backwards as it is what it is. Now he's gone for a bag of chips.

[NavalAviator94]

This

Read on Twitter

I've seen some here not wanting Doncic, and comparing to Mario.

I say we spread this far and wide. The more they fear Hezonja, the better our chances are in keeping him! Hezonja & Doncic!

[SOUL]

The biggest mistake we made was not listening to Skiles on Elfrid.

And doing what? Trading him after coming off of a good rookie season? The biggest mistake we made around that time was trading Tobias for garbage to appease Skiles even though he knew he was taking over a young team.

- Finding a better PG option while his he still had a semblance of value maybe?

- That opens up the door for a completely different direction - mainly no Bismack contract one would hope.

- I wasn't a fan either of the Tobias trade but I could understand it in the context.

I mean it's easy to say that now when we traded him for a 2nd round pick, but keep in mind this was when like 90% of the forum still really liked Payton. It would not have been a popular move, just like the Tobias move wasn't popular either.

I didn't understand it then or now. We were a ridiculously young team that needed their young guys to play together and we refused to run any sort of "future" lineup. Package our younger guys together if we want to move them, but trading them for scraps is one thing I will never get.

My ideal move during those times was to not trade any of those guys. Oladipo, Payton, AG, Tobias, etc. Just let them play. If there's contract issues, then we can discuss things but when we start trading pieces separately then the value of them goes down. Oladipo and Sabonis for Ibaka in hindsight is laughable value wise. Same with Tobias for Jennings/Ilyasova.

[magicfan4life88]

All you idiots who say Sexton is Payton 2.0 are just so blind, he's more Eric Bledsoe 2.0

Is having a Bledsoe 2.0 suppose to be a complement for Sexton?

Thats funny, a large portion of this board had a huge hard on for Bledsoe like a year or 2 ago, but yes when constantly being compared to Payton

[NavalAviator94]

And doing what? Trading him after coming off of a good rookie season? The biggest mistake we made around that time was trading Tobias for garbage to appease Skiles even though he knew he was taking over a young team.

- Finding a better PG option while his he still had a semblance of value maybe?

- That opens up the door for a completely different direction - mainly no Bismack contract one would hope.

- I wasn't a fan either of the Tobias trade but I could understand it in the context.

I mean it's easy to say that now when we traded him for a 2nd round pick, but keep in mind this was when like 90% of the forum still really liked Payton. It would not have been a popular move, just like the Tobias move wasn't popular either.

I didn't understand it then or now. We were a ridiculously young team that needed their young guys to play together and we refused to run any sort of "future" lineup. Package our younger guys together if we want to move them, but trading them for scraps is one thing I will never get.

My ideal move during those times was to not trade any of those guys. Oladipo, Payton, AG, Tobias, etc. Just let them play. If there's contract issues, then we can discuss things but when we start trading pieces separately then the value of them goes down. Oladipo and Sabonis for Ibaka in hindsight is laughable value wise. Same with Tobias for Jennings/Ilyasova.

I can't disagree on most of this. I was on the ELF train until I understood the concerns Skiles had with Elf and then I knew we needed to trade him while we could. I was definitely in the minority on that one and I was really hoping I was wrong.

[J the Drafter]

I remember the Skiles year. We had a winless January after Payton hurt his ankle. I believe he was playing on twice sprained ankles at one point. Also for some reason Skiles had Elfrid standing in the corner while Fournier handled the ball.

[gov1718]

Hawks just made Shroeder available for trade, so it is true they are picking Young, we still can make a trade with Hawks to take MPJr...

As it stands now...

1) Ayton
2) Bagley
3) Young
4) Doncic
5) MPJr
6) WCJr or Sexton or JJJ or Bamba

guys this is not a good sign, all reports indicating Sexton/JJJ/WCJr.

1 of those 3 will make me puke. WCJr will just be an okay pick I won't puke on him, but JJJ and sexton for sure i will puke out food from 3 days ago.

Hawks smokescreen. They’re not taking Trae over JJJ or Bamba

[InFlames]

https://247sports.com/college/west-virginia/Article/Jevon-Carter-will-work-out-for-the-Orlando-Magic-on-Friday-119060490/


This i like

That was last Friday

Stiu

wat

[InFlames]

Longer version of Weltman's interview.

Watch on YouTube

As much as I would like to listen to the interview I know it's going provide zip.

Let me guess

- We are exploring all options

- Trading up OR Trading Down

- We think there are good players in this draft

etc, etc, etc,

You might have a future as an NBA GM.