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[esqtvd]

Haha, nice, glad you can take a little joking around without taking it too seriously

A great testament to the ineptitude of the Cavs roster, but Jeff Green is collecting his participation while sucking trophies

Well, I don't mind the ribbing but I think my claims are being overstated. It's tough to make the case that alternative A is better than alternative B when they both suck and it's just a question of which sucks less.

I don't think "participation while sucking" is totally unfair, although I'd just call it mediocrity. I didn't say Jeff Green is a good playoff player, I just said he's a 6'9" SF who tends to stand in the right place and that's why he got about the same mpg from Ty Lue as he got from Doc.

As mediocre as he is, I prefer Green to Jamal, Austin or knucklehead Lance at the 3 esp when JJ Redick is our 2. Ty Lue made a similar call with the thin roster he had. 6'9" mediocre beats the alternatives.

In fact, George Hill was almost as lousy in the Finals [7.5 ppg, 32% FG, 2.3 apg, 1.5 TOpg] as Green, which I find the much bigger surprise, esp since Jeff Green is at minimum wage and Hill's making about $20M a year and is signed for 2 more years.

Hill is the 3rd-highest paid Cavalier, but looks to have evaded being identified as the goat of the series. [He must be thanking God for supreme knucklehead JR Smith.] In fact, the Cavs' go-for-it trade for Hill in February was very similar to our trade for Green in February 2016:

Cavs dumped Shumpert, Clips dumped Lance
Cavs traded 2 second-rounders; our 1st rounder has already been traded by MEM for two 2nd-rounders
Cavs got Hill, Clips got Green

Cavs got Rodney Hood but are on the hook for George Hill's remaining 2 yrs/$38M [10 ppg, 3 apg in 2018]

in 2016, still hoping to make some noise with CP and BG, we could not take on a contract like Hill's even if it was considered worth it to swallow such a contract to get a prospect like Rodney Hill [who's no kid now--turns 26 in October]


Quake went digging back in this thread to start up with me again, LOL, but I don't mind defending my propositions. If we miss the playoffs next year, Doc set it up that it converts to our 2020 2nd-round pick, probably around #45, which is worthless. Trading for Green will have cost us NOTHING.

If we make the playoffs next year, Jeff Green will cost us our 2019 1st round pick, which will probably be in the #15-20 range. Which would suck, but is not the end of the world. IMO, it's much better than say, getting stuck with 2 more years of George Hill @ $19M per year.


Plus we went for it [a bit] without dynamiting our future, as so many teams have. In 2016, the CP/BG era window was shrinking, the closest we've ever been to the NBA championship--even if it was just the faintest whiff. We had just beaten the Blazers by 20 to go up 2-0, and Steph Curry was hobbling over at GSW.

Then the roof fell in, in Game 3. Forever. 2017 was just a mop-up operation.


I'm not good with it, but looking back, I'm good with it.

[Quake Griffin]

Holy dissertation.

Not reading that.

Did skim and see my name.
DIdn't dig up anything. The absurdity of the comment stuck out and was easy to recall when thinking about the worst comments of the year (I think that was the frame work).....and you said I was a part of a club to insult me when I insisted I wasn't. Don't play the victim here.

[esqtvd]

Holy dissertation.

Not reading that.

Did skim and see my name.
DIdn't dig up anything.

this wasn't you? looks like somebody hijacked your screenname!! better report it to management!

Here I was just trying to give Green some props for his one good game and instead it turned into quotable comments. Maybe Green is actually a finals player?

Well, not for Cleveland for sure.


Maybe for the Clippers.
We'll never know because Blake and Chris got hurt.

[og15]

Haha, nice, glad you can take a little joking around without taking it too seriously

A great testament to the ineptitude of the Cavs roster, but Jeff Green is collecting his participation while sucking trophies

Well, I don't mind the ribbing but I think my claims are being overstated. It's tough to make the case that alternative A is better than alternative B when they both suck and it's just a question of which sucks less.

I don't think "participation while sucking" is totally unfair, although I'd just call it mediocrity. I didn't say Jeff Green is a good playoff player, I just said he's a 6'9" SF who tends to stand in the right place and that's why he got about the same mpg from Ty Lue as he got from Doc.

As mediocre as he is, I prefer Green to Jamal, Austin or knucklehead Lance at the 3 esp when JJ Redick is our 2. Ty Lue made a similar call with the thin roster he had. 6'9" mediocre beats the alternatives.

In fact, George Hill was almost as lousy in the Finals [7.5 ppg, 32% FG, 2.3 apg, 1.5 TOpg] as Green, which I find the much bigger surprise, esp since Jeff Green is at minimum wage and Hill's making about $20M a year and is signed for 2 more years.

Hill is the 3rd-highest paid Cavalier, but looks to have evaded being identified as the goat of the series. [He must be thanking God for supreme knucklehead JR Smith.] In fact, the Cavs' go-for-it trade for Hill in February was very similar to our trade for Green in February 2016:

Cavs dumped Shumpert, Clips dumped Lance
Cavs traded 2 second-rounders; our 1st rounder has already been traded by MEM for two 2nd-rounders
Cavs got Hill, Clips got Green

Cavs got Rodney Hood but are on the hook for George Hill's remaining 2 yrs/$38M [10 ppg, 3 apg in 2018]

in 2016, still hoping to make some noise with CP and BG, we could not take on a contract like Hill's even if it was considered worth it to swallow such a contract to get a prospect like Rodney Hill [who's no kid now--turns 26 in October]


Quake went digging back in this thread to start up with me again, LOL, but I don't mind defending my propositions. If we miss the playoffs next year, Doc set it up that it converts to our 2020 2nd-round pick, probably around #45, which is worthless. Trading for Green will have cost us NOTHING.

If we make the playoffs next year, Jeff Green will cost us our 2019 1st round pick, which will probably be in the #15-20 range. Which would suck, but is not the end of the world. IMO, it's much better than say, getting stuck with 2 more years of George Hill @ $19M per year.


Plus we went for it [a bit] without dynamiting our future, as so many teams have. In 2016, the CP/BG era window was shrinking, the closest we've ever been to the NBA championship--even if it was just the faintest whiff. We had just beaten the Blazers by 20 to go up 2-0, and Steph Curry was hobbling over at GSW.

Then the roof fell in, in Game 3. Forever. 2017 was just a mop-up operation.


I'm not good with it, but looking back, I'm good with it.

It was definitely sucking, mediocre would have been much better. George Hill sucking too and making more money doesn't make it any less suckling.

[Quake Griffin]

DIdn't dig up anything. The absurdity of the comment stuck out and was easy to recall when thinking about the worst comments of the year.

Stand by all of this.

So is all the "we'll never know Blake and Chris got hurt" stuff.
Trust me....stupid isn't hard to remember.

[esqtvd]

DIdn't dig up anything. The absurdity of the comment stuck out and was easy to recall when thinking about the worst comments of the year.

Stand by all of this.

So is all the "we'll never know Blake and Chris got hurt" stuff.
Trust me....stupid isn't hard to remember.

Yes, you started up with me again. Which is cool, I was ready. Jeff Green was playing OK when Chris and Blake went down. We had just gone up 2-0 after beating POR by 20. Things looked good. They were never to look that good ever again.

[Quake Griffin]

Nope.

You started it by insisting I was a part of a club.

Keep playing victim though.

[esqtvd]

Nope.

You started it by insisting I was a part of a club.

Keep playing victim though.

actually it was you who brought it up again

viewtopic.php?p=66748933#p66748933


victim?

just having a laugh

Just because you disagree with Ramna's more stupid ideas doesn't mean you're still not a club.

but since you're really not arguing any concrete facts there's really no discussion here

Doc shouldn't have made the trade for Green
got it
got it

I say it will end up doing little or no damage and was worth a shot as what turned out to be the real last gasp of the CP/BG era
[and the end of the Doc as GM era as well]

go in peace

[Quake Griffin]

Looks like a comment addressed to MTV & Max with you hopping in afterwards when no one was talking to you.

[esqtvd]

Looks like a comment addressed to MTV & Max with you hopping in afterwards when no one was talking to you.

whatever

everybody knows who you are
Ramna
Martin To Vaught
Quake Griffin

the 3 of you are gratuitously anti-Doc in every thread regardless of context
but you're not a club
OK

but he just got renewed so give it a rest, eh?



you had a pretty good comment on the other thread, I gave it a +1

peace

[Ranma]

He'd play the best player available huh? We're talking about the same Larry Brown that started players in their hometown even if they weren't starter material while he was in New York?? Yeah okay buddy... Maybe you should do your homework. Also, the only reason he wanted Darko is because he didn't want them to draft Carmelo because there's no way he could've got away with not playing him. So again, before you try and say someone should do their homework, you should do the same. Your Doc hate makes you contradict yourself often and you don't even realize it but you have your 2 other Doc haters to give you And1's so I'm sure you're happy with that right pal? Right... Hooray, you got an And1, good job buddy...

This has got to be one of the lamest excuses for a counter argument yet. You claimed that he didn't play rookies and I cited 4 specific and notable examples that directly contradict such a false accusation. Instead of addressing that point, you throw out another general accusation hoping to see what sticks without citing specific examples to back up your claim.

Next you harp on Brown not playing Darko when he's been a proven bust whom one of the game's best talent evaluators wouldn't have even considered drafting second overall. That's the crux of your case? Really?! Brown may not have wanted Carmelo (another unsubstantiated claim) and may have had some input on the matter, but last I checked Joe Dumars was the GM of the Pistons who made the decision to draft Milicic and has taken the brunt of the criticism for it. So how are you blaming Brown for something he is not directly responsible for?

I've gone on record as saying while I think he is overrated, Doc is a good coach. However, I absolutely hate what he's done with the Clippers in squandering assets, driving a superstar away (CP3), and employing nepotism and cronyism at the expense of the team and organization. I've already given his due for what he did in navigating the organization through the Sterling turmoil but I'm not going to turn a blind eye to the excessive harm he's done while leading the team during his tenure with the Clippers.

How can any reasonable and devoted Clippers fan not hate that? Plus, I challenge anyone to argue on the merits, meaning citing evidentiary support, that Larry Brown has not had a more accomplished coaching career than Doc Rivers.

On one hand, you have Brown who won an NBA championship without a superstar player, took another team--which was severely undermanned--to the Finals, won an NCAA championship, and was both named NBA and NCAA coach of the year.

On the other hand, you have Rivers whose claim to fame was winning a championship with a team that had 3 Hall-of-Fame players and a 4-time All-Star in Rajon Rondo along with Tom Thibodeau running his defense. He was also NBA coach of the year for a single season, but lest you forget, he's the only coach in NBA history to choke away a 3-1 series lead in the playoffs twice.

Apparently, something is wrong with your reading-comprehension software and memory circuitry since you also failed to address those very points I brought up in my initial post.

Yeah, I also noticed you've got a +1 yourself. The difference is mine is from a trained professional litigator whom I've actually disagreed with on other issues but have respect for while you got yours from a noted Doc apologist who doesn't see the true value of the draft and apparently keeps trying to argue that Jeff Green is somehow not a mediocre player despite overwhelming empirical evidence to the contrary in his perpetual campaign to make excuses for Doc's failures. Like minds think alike.

You know what they say about assumptions right??

One, I'm not a Doc supporter (nice try) I just call out BS when I see it and IN MY OPINION, saying he'd rather have Larry Brown over Doc, especially for the reasons he hates Doc sounds crazy to me.

Yeah, and you're making quite a lot of assumptions without actually citing support for your claims. Instead, you're riding the coattails of other people's accomplishments who've made actual arguments. No wonder you identify with Doc so much and can be easily mistaken as a Doc supporter.

Uh, I specifically said why I thought it didn't make any sense to me in my initial response. A team trying to go younger with 2 early picks and he wants a guy who didn't even play the number 2 pick in a draft but yet somehow I'm wrong for questioning that logic?? Crazy...

And again, citing not playing Darko Milicic, a proven bust, as your strongest bit of support is why your argument falls apart, especially against the aforementioned 4 notable examples I've cited to the contrary. Repeating a bad point doesn't make it any less wrong. Or is that another flaw in your programming?

Detroit (and in some ways the Knicks) are still paying for Larry Brown sabotaging the teams future. I usually just read certain things and keep it pushing but him saying he'd rather have Larry than Doc was way too extreme. And then goes on to list the complete opposite of what Larry Brown does when he coaches as to why he'd choose Larry over Doc.

And what again has Doc accomplished specifically as a coach or GM, for that matter, that has him better than Larry Brown during their respective careers overall? You don't think what Doc has done to the Clippers during his time here is an act of sabotage? Please do better because you're wasting my time.

What's even sadder is that this was apparently a case that could be argued convincingly in your favor, but given the lack of substance in your posts, you've snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. A classic Doc move. Congratulations.

[Ranma]

Larry Brown is one of the few coaches I wouldn't rather have than Doc at this point. He's 77 years old. He'll leave after a year or two. And the idea that he's unbiased and will play the best/most deserving players is way off. Remember his disastrous stint as coach of Team USA in 2004? LeBron, Amar'e and Melo warmed the bench while Iverson and Marbury were given tons of minutes to chuck bricks.

You make an excellent point about his age and how he's handled LeBron and Carmelo during their time together with Team USA. Plus, I'll have to concede that Doc may be a better coach in our pursuit of LeBron since the King himself likes having coaches who just let him do his thing and Doc is perfect in that role. At the same time, LeBron--like most other players--ain't exactly the best evaluator of talent. He butted heads with Erik Spoelstra in Miami and others in Cleveland but then had Tyronn Lue brought in as the Cavs' head coach.

Brown's health is another issue since he suffered from ailments similar to Phil Jackson's before he decided to move into a front-office role exclusively. Brown certainly wasn't perfect, but I never claimed that. Then again who is? Brown's wanderlust as a vagabond was a concern, but to my understanding, he actually wanted to stay in Los Angeles long-term but couldn't come to an agreement with Sterling, for better or worse. He coached at UCLA and the Clippers, so Los Angeles was a spot he was comfortable with.

Brown certainly has his favorites in terms of players, but so does Doc. The difference is that Brown has actually gotten the most out of his players more often while Doc usually does the exact opposite, which is particularly bad given that he was given the ability to hand-pick the players on the roster as PoBO.

While I'll concede that Brown may not be a good fit for us now given his age, Brown in his prime would have done more with the players given to him than Doc would have, but that point is moot given the reality of the situation.

Thank you for making an actual argument with cited examples of support.

Why are you talking about Larry Brown?

Nobody in the NBA is going to hire him.

Sounds like he couldn't get takers in the NCAA either.

no idea why larry brown is the point of any conversation. he's about as toxic as it comes for an NBA organization these days.

larry brown would sabotage this team the same way he sabotaged his own teams many times before.

he's a guy who will go out of his way to doghouse young players who won't do what he wants, regardless of the long term ramifications. and in 2-3 years after butchering the program he'll jump ship.

i don't care for doc but he's gonna have little choice in playing his rookies next year with west in tow. and if we're super lucky we'll be able to move our two picks for doncic or bamba and there will be no question about those guys getting PT.

for me the list of people currently involved in the NBA who are worse than larry brown is like

ranadive
gilbert
knicks owner (how do i not remember his name)
jim buss
paxson/heard

basically top of the food chain egomaniacs/psychos/meddlers/asshats. and he's only a coach. you don't want larry brown anywhere near your team unless you wanna see it veer off course for the next 10-15 years.

While I'm not sure I'm willing to concede that Brown is more toxic than Doc, I will acknowledge that I erred in preferring Brown over him given his age and our specific circumstances right now. However, I will still dispute the fact that Brown did more harm to the Clippers than Doc has during their respective tenures with the organization. Brown still has the more accomplished coaching career and his coaching style is better suited to winning and actually improving players, overall.

Plus, as I'll reiterate, Brown had no problems playing rookies like Duncan, Iverson, Davis, and Thomas so if a team were constructed with the right mix, he'd certainly do a good job of playing the best players. Or does giving Jamal Crawford, Jeff Green, and Austin Rivers unwarranted minutes qualify on Doc's behalf?

I still have fond memories of Larry Brown's time with the Clippers as I consider him one of the franchise's best all-time coaches, which may explain my blindspot for him.

[esqtvd]

^^^
Proof the NWO thinks uniformly and agrees on every topic just because we would like to move on from Doc.

OK, Quake. I can go with your disavowal of him and Martin-to-Vaught. You're not part of their club. Clue your ex-pal Ramna that you're not in his club, OK?

While I'm not sure I'm willing to concede that Brown is more toxic than Doc, I will acknowledge that I erred in preferring Brown over him given his age and our specific circumstances right now.

I don't blame you for not wanting to be associated with Ramna, who beclowned himself with his original post

Another Coach I'd Rather Have Than Doc

viewtopic.php?p=66707983#p66707983

i.e., Larry Brown. A post he is now forced to disavow, the most moronic attack on Doc Rivers yet.

It's good you distance yourself from it. And Ramna. He's distancing himself from himself too. You should not get caught holding the bag.

[MartinToVaught]

The "club" doesn't exist. Believe it or not, your opinion that Doc is a good coach is the minority opinion. Your opinion that he wasn't that bad as a GM is even more of a minority opinion. There's no conspiracy, you've just taken contrarian positions that have little-to-no basis in fact.

[Quake Griffin]

Dude genuinely thinks he’s not part of the “problem.” Fancies himself a hero for either sticking up for Doc or virtue signalling about “Rivers Derangement Syndrome”.

He hasn’t let a single anti-Doc comment go since he has been here.

Brb calling someone deranged.


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[Max Headrom]

He'd play the best player available huh? We're talking about the same Larry Brown that started players in their hometown even if they weren't starter material while he was in New York?? Yeah okay buddy... Maybe you should do your homework. Also, the only reason he wanted Darko is because he didn't want them to draft Carmelo because there's no way he could've got away with not playing him. So again, before you try and say someone should do their homework, you should do the same. Your Doc hate makes you contradict yourself often and you don't even realize it but you have your 2 other Doc haters to give you And1's so I'm sure you're happy with that right pal? Right... Hooray, you got an And1, good job buddy...

This has got to be one of the lamest excuses for a counter argument yet. You claimed that he didn't play rookies and I cited 4 specific and notable examples that directly contradict such a false accusation. Instead of addressing that point, you throw out another general accusation hoping to see what sticks without citing specific examples to back up your claim.

Next you harp on Brown not playing Darko when he's been a proven bust whom one of the game's best talent evaluators wouldn't have even considered drafting second overall. That's the crux of your case? Really?! Brown may not have wanted Carmelo (another unsubstantiated claim) and may have had some input on the matter, but last I checked Joe Dumars was the GM of the Pistons who made the decision to draft Milicic and has taken the brunt of the criticism for it. So how are you blaming Brown for something he is not directly responsible for?

I've gone on record as saying while I think he is overrated, Doc is a good coach. However, I absolutely hate what he's done with the Clippers in squandering assets, driving a superstar away (CP3), and employing nepotism and cronyism at the expense of the team and organization. I've already given his due for what he did in navigating the organization through the Sterling turmoil but I'm not going to turn a blind eye to the excessive harm he's done while leading the team during his tenure with the Clippers.

How can any reasonable and devoted Clippers fan not hate that? Plus, I challenge anyone to argue on the merits, meaning citing evidentiary support, that Larry Brown has not had a more accomplished coaching career than Doc Rivers.

On one hand, you have Brown who won an NBA championship without a superstar player, took another team--which was severely undermanned--to the Finals, won an NCAA championship, and was both named NBA and NCAA coach of the year.

On the other hand, you have Rivers whose claim to fame was winning a championship with a team that had 3 Hall-of-Fame players and a 4-time All-Star in Rajon Rondo along with Tom Thibodeau running his defense. He was also NBA coach of the year for a single season, but lest you forget, he's the only coach in NBA history to choke away a 3-1 series lead in the playoffs twice.

Apparently, something is wrong with your reading-comprehension software and memory circuitry since you also failed to address those very points I brought up in my initial post.

Yeah, I also noticed you've got a +1 yourself. The difference is mine is from a trained professional litigator whom I've actually disagreed with on other issues but have respect for while you got yours from a noted Doc apologist who doesn't see the true value of the draft and apparently keeps trying to argue that Jeff Green is somehow not a mediocre player despite overwhelming empirical evidence to the contrary in his perpetual campaign to make excuses for Doc's failures. Like minds think alike.

You know what they say about assumptions right??

One, I'm not a Doc supporter (nice try) I just call out BS when I see it and IN MY OPINION, saying he'd rather have Larry Brown over Doc, especially for the reasons he hates Doc sounds crazy to me.

Yeah, and you're making quite a lot of assumptions without actually citing support for your claims. Instead, you're riding the coattails of other people's accomplishments who've made actual arguments. No wonder you identify with Doc so much and can be easily mistaken as a Doc supporter.

Uh, I specifically said why I thought it didn't make any sense to me in my initial response. A team trying to go younger with 2 early picks and he wants a guy who didn't even play the number 2 pick in a draft but yet somehow I'm wrong for questioning that logic?? Crazy...

And again, citing not playing Darko Milicic, a proven bust, as your strongest bit of support is why your argument falls apart, especially against the aforementioned 4 notable examples I've cited to the contrary. Repeating a bad point doesn't make it any less wrong. Or is that another flaw in your programming?

Detroit (and in some ways the Knicks) are still paying for Larry Brown sabotaging the teams future. I usually just read certain things and keep it pushing but him saying he'd rather have Larry than Doc was way too extreme. And then goes on to list the complete opposite of what Larry Brown does when he coaches as to why he'd choose Larry over Doc.

And what again has Doc accomplished specifically as a coach or GM, for that matter, that has him better than Larry Brown during their respective careers overall? You don't think what Doc has done to the Clippers during his time here is an act of sabotage? Please do better because you're wasting my time.

What's even sadder is that this was apparently a case that could be argued convincingly in your favor, but given the lack of substance in your posts, you've snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. A classic Doc move. Congratulations.

Bro, you were wrong, just admit it and move on...lol I'm not speculating anything, you're doing a lot of that yourself and this isn't some competition (to me at least, it's really not that serious...lol) Larry Brown is not a better choice than Doc no matter how you slice it and you were off base on suggesting so, it's really that simple. And for the record, Darko being a bust, a lot of people (even basketball writers) attribute his career being a bust to having Larry Brown as his first coach. You can even look up more yourself but, I'm done. You're pretty funny

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/blogs/ball-dont-lie/joe-dumars-drafting-darko-milicic-look-back-now-203845303--nba.html

[Ranma]

Bro, you were wrong, just admit it and move on...lol I'm not speculating anything, you're doing a lot of that yourself and this isn't some competition (to me at least, it's really not that serious...lol) Larry Brown is not a better choice than Doc no matter how you slice it and you were off base on suggesting so, it's really that simple. And for the record, Darko being a bust, a lot of people (even basketball writers) attribute his career being a bust to having Larry Brown as his first coach. You can even look up more yourself but, I'm done. You're pretty funny

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/blogs/ball-dont-lie/joe-dumars-drafting-darko-milicic-look-back-now-203845303--nba.html

Like I said, if it was so obvious that I was wrong, you should have done a better job presenting the case. The fact that you couldn't is reflective of your lack of skills in presenting a convincing argument. I've only conceded that Brown is not a good choice now, which is a distinction, but the fact remains that Brown is the better and more accomplished coach. Period. If you don't think so, go ahead and counter what I've presented. I even presented that challenge to anyone else besides you, so it's not like I'm backing down from my overall opinion on the matter.

Seriously, you can't help but make the case worse for yourself, can you? I'm not the one continuing to futilely wave the Darko Milicic banner as the strongest point of his so-called argument. You cite a single basketball writer saying that Brown was also to blame for Darko's lack of development and call that "a lot of people"? You know who shared more of the blame? Dumars and Milicic himself. The article even points out how Dumars didn't do his research and painted himself into a corner. Let's also not forget that Darko had opportunities to revive his career with 5 other NBA clubs, but instead chose to retire from the NBA and have a short-lived career as a punching bag in kickboxing.

And this is supposed to counter what Jerry West, a highly more respected and actually acknowledged talent evaulator, has said more recently in not even considering him for the 2nd overall pick in his draft year precisely because the dude was scared to compete with him watching? Sounds like the Logo was right on the money in calling out his lack of competitiveness and mental toughness. Milicic may have had natural talent and impressive physical attributes, but his lack of success is his own damn fault and his alone. He's gotten way more opportunities than he deserved to show what he could do and eventually showed his true colors to the public at large.

More Doc-like excuse-making from someone claiming not to be a Doc apologist. Pathetic.

[esqtvd]

Bro, you were wrong, just admit it and move on...lol I'm not speculating anything, you're doing a lot of that yourself and this isn't some competition (to me at least, it's really not that serious...lol) Larry Brown is not a better choice than Doc no matter how you slice it and you were off base on suggesting so, it's really that simple. And for the record, Darko being a bust, a lot of people (even basketball writers) attribute his career being a bust to having Larry Brown as his first coach. You can even look up more yourself but, I'm done. You're pretty funny

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/blogs/ball-dont-lie/joe-dumars-drafting-darko-milicic-look-back-now-203845303--nba.html

Max, all 3 members of The Club That Doesn't Exist have promptly been heard from. All +1ing each other.


Now shut up and yield to The Club.

[Ranma]

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[Ranma]

Talk about fortuitous timing. On the Nerder She Wrote podcast yesterday, David Thorpe talks about Chauncey Billups really crediting Larry Brown with helping him understand how to be most effective in the NBA. Thorpe recounts how Billups went from can't-miss high school prospect (and 3rd overall pick in the 1997 NBA Draft) to bust after bouncing around with 5 NBA teams before landing with Brown in Detroit where Brown saved his career and helped turn him into Mr. Big Shot. Thorpe cites this as an example of how going to the right situation can get the most out of NBA prospects. [timestamp - 53:00]