Political Roundtable Part XX

[gtn130]

Can't disagree with you. But - it still doesn't address the problem.

Yes, they don't have it right. And you know I can't follow them.

But, the Ds have had their chances to fix this - and haven't. And the notion that it is ONLY the Rs that are causing the problem just isn't the case.

Don't get me wrong - holding children hostage to get your way - well, I am NEVER going there.

Depends what you mean by 'the problem'. The policy of separating children is a Trump one. Any talk about a law being in place preventing Trump from stopping this policy is complete hogwash.

If 'the problem' is the economics of immigration and finding a humane solution for as many people as possible, then I agree it isn't being addressed at all.

[nate33]

I don't dispute that the issue is hurting Trump and I understand why he is furious. But it so far seems the case that Trump is right and this issue cannot be addressed without Congress (unless he wished to continue to allow illegal immigrants to roam free). My guess is that a court will overturn his executive order. Indeed, I suspect Trump knows this and is issuing the executive order purposefully to prove that he can't fix it without Congress.

You're clearly moving the goal posts.

Do you support the policy or not? Trump says he doesn't even support it and wants to keep families together.

I support Trump in refusing to permit illegal aliens to roam the country just because they happened to bring a kid with them. Period.

I am totally in favor of providing family-friendly detention facilities for families to await their asylum hearing. But that requires legislation and funding. I also support the provision of more judges to expedite the hearing process. But again, the Democrats don't want that because it would mean a more efficient handling of the fake asylum cases.

[DCZards]

:o GOAT PRESIDENT

Shows real leadership. Keeps the border secure!!!! and keeps families together!!! Something chicken little Obama couldn't do!!!

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Yeah...and it only took the orange idiot 2-3 weeks of seeing traumatized kids--along with national outrage--to get around to doing the right thing. What a leader!

[nate33]

The fact is, any legislative measure that is designed to address the problem will be opposed by Democrats. The only solution Democrats will accept is to let people in without a hearing just because they happened to bring a kid. It's like not arresting a criminal drug dealer (or other equivalent non-violent crime) simply because the individual has kids. It makes no logical sense whatsoever. And the problem is easily fixable but Democrats will block any rational fix.

[stilldropin20]

I don't dispute that the issue is hurting Trump and I understand why he is furious. But it so far seems the case that Trump is right and this issue cannot be addressed without Congress (unless he wished to continue to allow illegal immigrants to roam free). My guess is that a court will overturn his executive order. Indeed, I suspect Trump knows this and is issuing the executive order purposefully to prove that he can't fix it without Congress.

You're clearly moving the goal posts.

Do you support the policy or not? Trump says he doesn't even support it and wants to keep families together.

I support Trump in refusing to permit illegal aliens to roam the country just because they happened to bring a kid with them. Period.

I am totally in favor of providing family-friendly detention facilities for families to await their asylum hearing. But that requires legislation and funding. I also support the provision of more judges to expedite the hearing process. But again, the Democrats don't want that because it would mean a more efficient handling of the fake asylum cases.

exactly! these are REAL SOLUTIONS.

get more judges down there. create "family" detention centers. I'm all for it.

in fact, i dont know why it hasn't been talked about anywhere...but why are we NOT doing DNA testing on the parents and children to determine at least a genetic familial bond??? Am i the first one to bring this up? they can DNA test in hours with enough people down there. A judge should know this info. If there is not immediate DNA bond then those kids could likely be kidnapped or abandoned.<--which creates even MORE problmes!!!

A wall keeps all of this OUT!!

A wall prevent the trek to our border to begin with.

A wall forces people to the path of least resistance...a port of entry. where real families seeking asylum can do so.

A wall prevent kidnapping of children to carry through the border with fake asylum cases.

A wall prevent rape and sexual slave trafficking of children who are abandoned, runaways, or kidnapped.

BUILD THE DAMN WALL!!!

[gtn130]

Yeah...and it only took the orange idiot 2-3 weeks of seeing traumatized kids--along with national outrage--to get around to doing the right thing. What a leader!

SD20 was literally just supporting separating children from parents seconds ago. Fox News has turned 40% of this country into total buffoons.

[gtn130]

I support Trump in refusing to permit illegal aliens to roam the country just because they happened to bring a kid with them. Period.

Ok, so we're back to you being cool with literally anything being done to stop illegal immigration. The ends justify the means.

Separating children and putting them in internment camps? Totally fine with Nate33 if it curbs illegal immigration. Why are we taking these half measures Nate? A real deterrent would be to annihilate any brown person who steps within 100 yards of the border.

[stilldropin20]

The fact is, any legislative measure that is designed to address the problem will be opposed by Democrats. The only solution Democrats will accept is to let people in without a hearing just because they happened to bring a kid. It's like not arresting a criminal drug dealer (or other equivalent non-violent crime) simply because the individual has kids. It makes no logical sense whatsoever. And the problem is easily fixable but Democrats will block any rational fix.

exactly!! democrats do NOT want anything fixed!!

they had their chance in 2008 and blew it!! they blew it. they blew it. they blew it!! terrible leadership. had the effing super majority and both houses!!!!

They reason they blew it is because they do NOT have any answers. THEY HAVE NO SOLUTIONS!!

Nate and i have asked for solutions for 3 hours....you guys have nothing!! solve this for us...tell us what works???

And you got nothing. Except block all reasonable effort sby the GOP to fix it. And the damn wall itself fixes nearly all of it.


but you guys dont ewant to fix it. instead you just want something to complain about. You are all conditioned by your leaders to be victims. You whine and cry all day long about everything. You solve nothing. You have no asnwers to anything you whine and compalin about. You are terrible leaders. You simply cant govern. You can be given the opportunity to EVER govern again. For ever ever? FOREVER!!!

[nate33]

I support Trump in refusing to permit illegal aliens to roam the country just because they happened to bring a kid with them. Period.

Ok, so we're back to you being cool with literally anything being done to stop illegal immigration. The ends justify the means.

Separating children and putting them in internment camps? Totally fine with Nate33 if it curbs illegal immigration. Why are we taking these half measures Nate? A real deterrent would be to annihilate any brown person who steps within 100 yards of the border.

Exactly what remedy to you propose that doesn't involve letting illegal immigrants roam the country?

You can't answer the question so you keep attacking me for supporting Trump who is supporting the laws as they are actually written.

[DCZards]

The fact is, any legislative measure that is designed to address the problem will be opposed by Democrats. The only solution Democrats will accept is to let people in without a hearing just because they happened to bring a kid. It's like not arresting a criminal drug dealer (or other equivalent non-violent crime) simply because the individual has kids. It makes no logical sense whatsoever. And the problem is easily fixable but Democrats will block any rational fix.

That's pure speculation on your part. Until the Repubs actually propose immigration legislation we don't know what the Dems will do.

Right now, all we know right now is that the clown in the WH tried to hold kids hostage in order to get money for his wall...a wall he promised Americans that Mexico would pay for.

Of course, we knew Mexico wasn't going to pay for the wall...but it was good campaign propaganda.

#45 is dividing this country, burning bridges with allies and getting into bed with dictators, but some of you simply refuse to acknowledge (or at least publicly admit) that he's an unmitigated disaster. Wake up!

[nate33]

The fact is, any legislative measure that is designed to address the problem will be opposed by Democrats. The only solution Democrats will accept is to let people in without a hearing just because they happened to bring a kid. It's like not arresting a criminal drug dealer (or other equivalent non-violent crime) simply because the individual has kids. It makes no logical sense whatsoever. And the problem is easily fixable but Democrats will block any rational fix.

That's pure speculation on your part. Until the Repubs actually propose immigration legislation we don't know what the Dems will do.

Right now, all we know right now is that the clown in the WH tried to hold kids hostage in order to get money for his wall...a wall he promised Americans that Mexico would pay for.

Of course, we knew Mexico wasn't going to pay for the wall...but it was good campaign propaganda.

#45 is dividing this country, burning bridges with allies and getting into bed with dictators, but some of you simply refuse to acknowledge (or at least publicly admit) that he's an unmitigated disaster. Wake up!

Schumer just said yesterday that he wouldn't support any legislation and that Trump can do it himself. The only thing Trump can do himself is go back to the system where we didn't enforce the law.

[gtn130]

Schumer just said yesterday that he wouldn't support any legislation and that Trump can do it himself. The only thing Trump can do himself is go back to the system where we didn't enforce the law.

Uh, no. Trump can end child separation immediately. There is no law preventing him from doing so, and it's the only thing anyone is talking about but you and SD20.

You want to talk about broader immigration policy because the entire objective of this exercise is for Trump to hold the children hostage (literally) so he can get funding for the wall. You're completely unwilling to disentangle these two unrelated subjects for this reason.

[nate33]

Schumer just said yesterday that he wouldn't support any legislation and that Trump can do it himself. The only thing Trump can do himself is go back to the system where we didn't enforce the law.

Uh, no. Trump can end child separation immediately. There is no law preventing him from doing so, and it's the only thing anyone is talking about but you and SD20.

You want to talk about broader immigration policy because the entire objective of this exercise is for Trump to hold the children hostage (literally) so he can get funding for the wall. You're completely unwilling to disentangle these two unrelated subjects for this reason.

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[gtn130]

Nate, this is laughably disingenuous as usual. The policy was not being enforced until the Trump administration mandated it. You know this, but you're here to run interference for Daddy. Not fooling anyone.

[gtn130]

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This didn't age well. Nate just clowning on himself

[nate33]

Do you people even understand the issue? Or are you so caught up in the emotion of it that you don't understand the facts.

* If someone crosses the border illegally with a kid, and they're caught; they get processed and deported promptly together and there is no separation.

* If someone registers at a point of entry for asylum, they are permitted to wait at the port of entry with the kid for an asylum hearing, which usually takes more than 20 days. There is no separation from their kid.

* But if someone illegally crosses the border with a kid, and is caught, and then claims asylum, they must first be processes for the crime of crossing the border, which involves detention. They are detained while awaiting their asylum hearing. If granted asylum, they are permitted entry with time served in detention as the penalty for crossing illegally. The problem is, there is a law in place saying they can't detain kids for more than 20 days, but asylum hearings take longer. So, after 20 days, they must release the kids (into foster care) but the parents are still awaiting their asylum hearing in the detention center.

So we have a problem. What do we do after 20 days? Obama permitted the illegal immigrants awaiting asylum to be released from detention on their own recognizance to roam the country with their kids while awaiting their hearing. The problem is, they often didn't attend their asylum hearing. Accordingly, illegal immigrants began exploiting this loophole, knowing that if they brought in a kid, they'd basically be permitted into the country. Furthermore, with this incentive, it started inspiring child abuse and child kidnappings, with adults bringing kids who are not their own across the border, and subjecting kids to the arduous journey across the desert.

Trump put a stop to this loophole. He said that after 20 days, the kids get sent to foster care, and the parents remain in detention awaiting their asylum hearing. This is not evil. This was the only thing he could do under existing law to stop the exploitation of this loophole. People can still come here and request asylum, but they must do so at a port of entry.

Trump's executive order that he is proposing today is intended to revoke the 20 day restriction on kids. That way, the kids can stay with their parents in the detention facility while awaiting an asylum hearing. It will probably fail in the courts.

What else do you liberals suggest Trump should do? How else can this be solved without legislation? Please answer the question without telling me I'm a Nazi.

[JWizmentality]

I would kidnap their kids and lock them in my caged basement.

Lol well done.

That one shut him up.

Stupid analogy. The kids aren't being locked up. They're being put in foster care. It's the parents who are being locked up because, you know, THEY'RE COMMITTING CRIMES!

It's a stupid response to your stupid analogy...keep up.

[gtn130]

What else do you liberals suggest Trump should do? How else can this be solved without legislation? Please answer the question without telling me I'm a Nazi.

He can just make a phone call and end it. The policy wasn't being enforced until he mandated that it be enforced.

[nate33]

Nate, this is laughably disingenuous as usual. The policy was not being enforced until the Trump administration mandated it. You know this, but you're here to run interference for Daddy. Not fooling anyone.

Yes. I know the policy wasn't being enforced because Obama wasn't permitting asylum seekers entry into the country prior to their hearing. All you had to do to cross the border was to claim asylum and bring a kid and you were in. It was a loophole that starting being abused. Why do you think we kept having massive numbers of kids trying to cross the border every summer? We didn't have this problem 10 years ago, but once word got out, prospective illegal immigrants exploited the loophole.

[nate33]

What else do you liberals suggest Trump should do? How else can this be solved without legislation? Please answer the question without telling me I'm a Nazi.

He can just make a phone call and end it. The policy wasn't being enforced until he mandated that it be enforced.

How can Trump solve this issue WITHOUT LETTING ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS FREE ADMISSION INTO THE COUNTRY?