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JWizmentality wrote:nate33 wrote:JWizmentality wrote:
Lol well done.
That one shut him up.
Stupid analogy. The kids aren't being locked up. They're being put in foster care. It's the parents who are being locked up because, you know, THEY'RE COMMITTING CRIMES!
It's a stupid response to your stupid analogy...keep up.
gtn130 wrote:dckingsfan wrote:Can't disagree with you. But - it still doesn't address the problem.
Yes, they don't have it right. And you know I can't follow them.
But, the Ds have had their chances to fix this - and haven't. And the notion that it is ONLY the Rs that are causing the problem just isn't the case.
Don't get me wrong - holding children hostage to get your way - well, I am NEVER going there.
Depends what you mean by 'the problem'. The policy of separating children is a Trump one. Any talk about a law being in place preventing Trump from stopping this policy is complete hogwash.
If 'the problem' is the economics of immigration and finding a humane solution for as many people as possible, then I agree it isn't being addressed at all.
gtn130 wrote:How about we end the practice of separating children from their parent at the border AND THEN get down to the wonky policy discussion of how to curb illegal immigration that Nate33 deeply yearns for
nate33 wrote:JWizmentality wrote:nate33 wrote:Stupid analogy. The kids aren't being locked up. They're being put in foster care. It's the parents who are being locked up because, you know, THEY'RE COMMITTING CRIMES!
It's a stupid response to your stupid analogy...keep up.
Exactly what remedy to you propose that doesn't involve letting illegal immigrants roam the country?
dckingsfan wrote:nate33 wrote:JWizmentality wrote:It's a stupid response to your stupid analogy...keep up.
Exactly what remedy to you propose that doesn't involve letting illegal immigrants roam the country?
Remember - we already have lots of illegal immigrants roaming the country. Both parties (not just the Ds) are complicit in this. We had this conversation about R farmers and how they pushed much of this problem forward.
Separating kids from their parents is never the answer. Using kids as hostages is never a reasonable method to get the other party to negotiate. There is a reason that the legislation isn't moving forward - all of the Rs are not onboard.
nate33 wrote:gtn130 wrote:How about we end the practice of separating children from their parent at the border AND THEN get down to the wonky policy discussion of how to curb illegal immigration that Nate33 deeply yearns for
I see.
So you are using this children issue as means to force an open borders policy. If that's your stance, than I'm sure you can understand why I'm unmoved by your moral condemnation.
dckingsfan wrote:nate33 wrote:gtn130 wrote:How about we end the practice of separating children from their parent at the border AND THEN get down to the wonky policy discussion of how to curb illegal immigration that Nate33 deeply yearns for
I see.
So you are using this children issue as means to force an open borders policy. If that's your stance, than I'm sure you can understand why I'm unmoved by your moral condemnation.
No - the existing policy enforcement was change by this Administration.
And you should be moved - if you have kids - just imagine if you were traveling and they were physically separated from you (even by mistake). This should never, ever, ever be the case. Never.
nate33 wrote:gtn130 wrote:How about we end the practice of separating children from their parent at the border AND THEN get down to the wonky policy discussion of how to curb illegal immigration that Nate33 deeply yearns for
I see.
So you are using this children issue as means to force an open borders policy. If that's your stance, than I'm sure you can understand why I'm unmoved by your moral condemnation.
nate33 wrote:Yes, the enforcement change was made because the loophole was being exploited in greater and greater numbers, incentivizing even more children to make the dangerous trip. And remember, each and everyone of these families had the option to claim asylum at a port of entry where there was no fear of being separated. But they did not do so. They were hoping to sneak in illegally, got caught, and THEN claimed asylum. Somehow, this is Trump's fault.
gtn130 wrote:nate33 wrote:gtn130 wrote:How about we end the practice of separating children from their parent at the border AND THEN get down to the wonky policy discussion of how to curb illegal immigration that Nate33 deeply yearns for
I see.
So you are using this children issue as means to force an open borders policy. If that's your stance, than I'm sure you can understand why I'm unmoved by your moral condemnation.
You're projecting. Not everyone is constantly posting disingenuous nonsense with an ulterior motive.
I_Like_Dirt wrote:nate33 wrote:Yes, the enforcement change was made because the loophole was being exploited in greater and greater numbers, incentivizing even more children to make the dangerous trip. And remember, each and everyone of these families had the option to claim asylum at a port of entry where there was no fear of being separated. But they did not do so. They were hoping to sneak in illegally, got caught, and THEN claimed asylum. Somehow, this is Trump's fault.
Their actions aren't Trump's fault. The way Trump is handling it is Trump's fault. And using how he's handling it as a bargaining chip is Trump's fault.
nate33 wrote:gtn130 wrote:nate33 wrote:I see.
So you are using this children issue as means to force an open borders policy. If that's your stance, than I'm sure you can understand why I'm unmoved by your moral condemnation.
You're projecting. Not everyone is constantly posting disingenuous nonsense with an ulterior motive.
What ulterior motive? My motives are openly stated: strong and consistent enforcement of the immigration laws of this country.
gtn130 wrote:nate33 wrote:gtn130 wrote:
You're projecting. Not everyone is constantly posting disingenuous nonsense with an ulterior motive.
What ulterior motive? My motives are openly stated: strong and consistent enforcement of the immigration laws of this country.
Defend disgraceful crimes against humanity by inventing major problems that aren't even being solved by said crimes all as a means of securing funding for the wall.
nate33 wrote:dckingsfan wrote:nate33 wrote:I see.
So you are using this children issue as means to force an open borders policy. If that's your stance, than I'm sure you can understand why I'm unmoved by your moral condemnation.
No - the existing policy enforcement was change by this Administration.
And you should be moved - if you have kids - just imagine if you were traveling and they were physically separated from you (even by mistake). This should never, ever, ever be the case. Never.
Yes, the enforcement change was made because the loophole was being exploited in greater and greater numbers, incentivizing even more children to make the dangerous trip. And remember, each and everyone of these families had the option to claim asylum at a port of entry where there was no fear of being separated. But they did not do so. They were hoping to sneak in illegally, got caught, and THEN claimed asylum. Somehow, this is Trump's fault.
dckingsfan wrote:nate33 wrote:dckingsfan wrote:No - the existing policy enforcement was change by this Administration.
And you should be moved - if you have kids - just imagine if you were traveling and they were physically separated from you (even by mistake). This should never, ever, ever be the case. Never.
Yes, the enforcement change was made because the loophole was being exploited in greater and greater numbers, incentivizing even more children to make the dangerous trip. And remember, each and everyone of these families had the option to claim asylum at a port of entry where there was no fear of being separated. But they did not do so. They were hoping to sneak in illegally, got caught, and THEN claimed asylum. Somehow, this is Trump's fault.
The enforcement change should NEVER have been made - regardless. Ever.
And they closed the port of entries - so they couldn't claim asylum.
This was abhorrent and incredibly stupid.
JazzyPhinz wrote:This thread makes me laugh. You guys on both sides are doing exactly what the system is designed to do. Keep us separated and unwilling to unite.
Both sides of the govt do the same exact things to screw the people, with minor differences to pander each sides preferences.
Bunch of sheep in here.