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[City of Trees]

What on gods green earth was Charlotte thinking taking on Mozgov for two 2nds and cash. Ouch.

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[LightTheBeam]

What on gods green earth was Charlotte thinking taking on Mozgov for two 2nds and cash. Ouch.

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Jordan doesn't run the Hornets like a basketball team. they are a business and need to be cash flow positive. Basically screwed his team for 2 years to save himself some tax money this year.

That should start the tank.

He basically turned Miles Plumlee into a 5 mil a year worse contract, 1 year later...

[City of Trees]

What on gods green earth was Charlotte thinking taking on Mozgov for two 2nds and cash. Ouch.

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Jordan doesn't run the Hornets like a basketball team. they are a business and need to be cash flow positive. Basically screwed his team for 2 years to save himself some tax money this year.

That should start the tank.

He basically turned Miles Plumlee into a 5 mil a year worse contract, 1 year later...

Mitch Kupchak is their new GM. Whats funny is he signed Mozgov to this ridiculous contract back in LA. He must love Mozgov.

Charlotte ownership trying to save money would infuriate me as a fan.

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[OGSactownballer]

Has anyone heard anything more about where we are in talks with Denver and/or Washington involving absorbing either Faried or Gortat for their pick? That would be a really nice move either way and would give us another chip/flyer in a young player.

[blind prophet]

Has anyone heard anything more about where we are in talks with Denver and/or Washington involving absorbing either Faried or Gortat for their pick? That would be a really nice move either way and would give us another chip/flyer in a young player.

Nope, but so far in Vlade's tenure he doesn't make those kind of deals, he'd rather sign middling veterans to an overpay.

[blind prophet]

What on gods green earth was Charlotte thinking taking on Mozgov for two 2nds and cash. Ouch.

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Jordan doesn't run the Hornets like a basketball team. they are a business and need to be cash flow positive. Basically screwed his team for 2 years to save himself some tax money this year.

That should start the tank.

He basically turned Miles Plumlee into a 5 mil a year worse contract, 1 year later...

Mitch Kupchak is their new GM. Whats funny is he signed Mozgov to this ridiculous contract back in LA. He must love Mozgov.

Charlotte ownership trying to save money would infuriate me as a fan.

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Their cap the year after looks **** too still. The only explanation was to save money I can think of.

Batum getting those checks lol.

[SacProudAussie]

New to this game but just spitballing.

As we dont attract high level free agents why not take on salary and let our young core develop?

If the grizz really want to dump parsons with pick 4 attached why dont we jump?

Would pick 4 and chandler parsons for shump, wcs and our 2nd which i believe is 36 or 37 get a deal done?

I just think if we can get 2 high end talents such as mpj and bamba at 2 and 4 we would have great length, shooting and defence for the future?

Happy to be shot down or corrected like i said new to this whole trade stuff

[City of Trees]

New to this game but just spitballing.

As we dont attract high level free agents why not take on salary and let our young core develop?

If the grizz really want to dump parsons with pick 4 attached why dont we jump?

Would pick 4 and chandler parsons for shump, wcs and our 2nd which i believe is 36 or 37 get a deal done?

I just think if we can get 2 high end talents such as mpj and bamba at 2 and 4 we would have great length, shooting and defence for the future?

Happy to be shot down or corrected like i said new to this whole trade stuff

Kings have stated they prefer not adding additional salary beyond 18-19. From what i can tell it appears the goal is to have max cap available for 2019 free agency using their shiny young core as the carrot.

Trading for Parsons would mean a shift in philosophy for 2019. As it stands I'm ok with your trade. To nit pick I'd substitute Koufos in for WCS to avoid absorbing whatever remains of WCS' value into this deal.

If said trade did happen I disagree on the prospects you name. Personally I would draft Luka 2nd and the best big on the board at 4.

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[SacKingZZZ]

New to this game but just spitballing.

As we dont attract high level free agents why not take on salary and let our young core develop?

If the grizz really want to dump parsons with pick 4 attached why dont we jump?

Would pick 4 and chandler parsons for shump, wcs and our 2nd which i believe is 36 or 37 get a deal done?

I just think if we can get 2 high end talents such as mpj and bamba at 2 and 4 we would have great length, shooting and defence for the future?

Happy to be shot down or corrected like i said new to this whole trade stuff

I'd prefer this thought process and have for a few seasons. I'm still waiting and am still disappointed by the result of going the reverse route. I don't think the Grizz are desperate enough to cut salary that they'd move the 4th but I'd even like to see something for one of those mid firsts this year taking on a Faried or something from the Wiz.

[sacking123]

New to this game but just spitballing.

As we dont attract high level free agents why not take on salary and let our young core develop?

If the grizz really want to dump parsons with pick 4 attached why dont we jump?

Would pick 4 and chandler parsons for shump, wcs and our 2nd which i believe is 36 or 37 get a deal done?

I just think if we can get 2 high end talents such as mpj and bamba at 2 and 4 we would have great length, shooting and defence for the future?

Happy to be shot down or corrected like i said new to this whole trade stuff

I'd prefer this thought process and have for a few seasons. I'm still waiting and am still disappointed by the result of going the reverse route. I don't think the Grizz are desperate enough to cut salary that they'd move the 4th but I'd even like to see something for one of those mid firsts this year taking on a Faried or something from the Wiz.

Well I don’t think we’re in the #4 stakes if the rumour the Clippers are offering Harris/Dekker/Johnson/12/13 for Parsons/4.
Let’s keep moving down and try and nab the next available pick, 15?


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[codydaze]

I would go after Otto Porter pretty hard. With Washington taking Troy Brown that makes one of Porter or Oubre expendable for the Wiz, I would imagine, and I think they would probably prefer cutting salary, I'd offer something like WCS/JJ/Temple for Porter.

Fox-Bogi-Porter-Bagley-Giles with Buddy and Skal coming off the bench would be nice.

I still would rather go after VanVleet in FA than roll out Mason as the backup PG too. Bench would be rounded out as VanVleet-Buddy-Shump-Skal-Koufos. Not bad.

[SacKingZZZ]

I just can't see justification for them picking up Porter on his deal. I'm glad the Kings didn't end up signing him to that kind of money.

[ThunderBolt]

With three young PFs on the roster, do you expect someone to be moved? Skal?

[kingjawn100]

With three young PFs on the roster, do you expect someone to be moved? Skal?

A lot depend on summer league. If Harry looks healthy and Bagley looks like he'll be able to contribute right away i'd expect to see Z-Bo and either skal or Willie to be moved. Even under a big contract i wouldn't mind Porter at all. 44% 3-pt shooter would open up a lot of spacing for the rest of the guys. You could even put him at small-ball 4 with Fox-Buddy-Bogi-Otto-Bagley. That's a lot of shooting. At this point that's probably the best case scenario for a small forward upgrade.

[sacking123]

I would go after Otto Porter pretty hard. With Washington taking Troy Brown that makes one of Porter or Oubre expendable for the Wiz, I would imagine, and I think they would probably prefer cutting salary, I'd offer something like WCS/JJ/Temple for Porter.

Fox-Bogi-Porter-Bagley-Giles with Buddy and Skal coming off the bench would be nice.

I still would rather go after VanVleet in FA than roll out Mason as the backup PG too. Bench would be rounded out as VanVleet-Buddy-Shump-Skal-Koufos. Not bad.

Right on the money here. Although isn’t Temple opting out? Or did I dream that? Anyway we can cut salary for them and absolutely we should do something like this. Teams have opened up cap space for next summer already so that pushes us down the ladder somewhat so I don’t expect us to land a high profile player unless Fox and Bagley really show out this coming season.


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[kingjawn100]

The lakers situation is obviously worth watching. Not sure what it would take to get Kuzma or Ingram but if we get either of those guys without giving up the core (Bagley, Fox, Bogi, Buddy, Harry) even the biggest critics of our draft would be pretty pleased with the offseason.

Not sure how kings fans feel about taking on Luoi Deng's salary in order to bring in Kuzma. i'd consider it if we were maybe able to also get a future pick out it.

[kalenclayton]

The lakers situation is obviously worth watching. Not sure what it would take to get Kuzma or Ingram but if we get either of those guys without giving up the core (Bagley, Fox, Bogi, Buddy, Harry) even the biggest critics of our draft would be pretty pleased with the offseason.

Not sure how kings fans feel about taking on Luoi Deng's salary in order to bring in Kuzma. i'd consider it if we were maybe able to also get a future pick out it.

I was listening to 1140 last week and Grant answered a caller’s question saying he would trade the #2 pick for Kuzma. That valuation is crazy to me. Grant is a fantastic broadcaster, but a GM he is not. That being said, what pick valuation does Kuzma hold at the moment? I would think he could’ve snagged the 8th pick in this draft.

[bleeds_purple]

Has anyone heard anything more about where we are in talks with Denver and/or Washington involving absorbing either Faried or Gortat for their pick? That would be a really nice move either way and would give us another chip/flyer in a young player.

Nope, but so far in Vlade's tenure he doesn't make those kind of deals, he'd rather sign middling veterans to an overpay.

The one difference is we don't have a pick next year. So Vlade could be looking to get into next years draft which wouldn't go against his former precedent of not doing these type of deals (much to my chagrin).

With three young PFs on the roster, do you expect someone to be moved? Skal?

Are most people here looking at Bagley and Giles as 4s? I honestly see them as tweeners who should be primarily playing at the 5. Skal shouldn't be factoring into any considerations at this point considering he is a fringe player at best until he proves otherwise.

[kingjawn100]

Has anyone heard anything more about where we are in talks with Denver and/or Washington involving absorbing either Faried or Gortat for their pick? That would be a really nice move either way and would give us another chip/flyer in a young player.

Nope, but so far in Vlade's tenure he doesn't make those kind of deals, he'd rather sign middling veterans to an overpay.

The one difference is we don't have a pick next year. So Vlade could be looking to get into next years draft which wouldn't go against his former precedent of not doing these type of deals (much to my chagrin).

With three young PFs on the roster, do you expect someone to be moved? Skal?

Are most people here looking at Bagley and Giles as 4s? I honestly see them as tweeners who should be primarily playing at the 5. Skal shouldn't be factoring into any considerations at this point considering he is a fringe player at best until he proves otherwise.

The idea of a 6'9"/6'10" guy being a tweener just doesn't work anymore when there are guys like Draymond Green (6'7") and PJ Tucker (6'6") playing a lot of center in the western conference finals.

That's why i don't get the whole height criticism of Bagley. The real question is will Bagley/Giles be able to hit perimeter shots, as there are fewer and fewer bigs who can't.

People talk about the game getting smaller but i don't really see it that way. Points Guards, Shooting Guards and Small forwards all are a lot taller and longer on average than they were 10-20 years ago that you still have a ton of length on the court, just spread out differently. If you can start a smaller center who can hit shots from the perimeter but have enough team rebounding to not get killed on the glass you're going to win a lot of games.

[bleeds_purple]

The idea of a 6'9"/6'10" guy being a tweener just doesn't work anymore when there are guys like Draymond Green (6'7") and PJ Tucker (6'6") playing a lot of center in the western conference finals.

That's why i don't get the whole height criticism of Bagley. The real question is will Bagley/Giles be able to hit perimeter shots, as there are fewer and fewer bigs who can't.

People talk about the game getting smaller but i don't really see it that way. Points Guards, Shooting Guards and Small forwards all are a lot taller and longer on average than they were 10-20 years ago that you still have a ton of length on the court, just spread out differently. If you can start a smaller center who can hit shots from the perimeter but have enough team rebounding to not get killed on the glass you're going to win a lot of games.

You're not wrong. That being said, those guys don't start at the 5 and in the case of Green is a swiss army knife player capable of protecting the rim and guarding everyone. When I call them tweeners its just because they don't see to have a natural position i.e. not true Cs and not "true PFs" (whatever that even means these days).

I don't see as much height critiques as I see about his wingspan.

I definitely agree its a misnomer that the game is getting smaller. More accurately, and as you point out, the game is homogenizing toward a midpoint of players who are triple threat from the perimeter and can defend as many positions as possible. These guys tend to around the 6'6-6'9 range although you have freaks like Durant who are closer to 7ft and fit this description. So like you say, bigger guards and smaller bigs.

It's really tough for bigs these days. They are expected to switch onto guards and defend on an island, defend in the pick and roll, and protect the rim. On offense they need to be at least good enough at shooting that they won't be ignored on the perimeter.

It will be interesting to see what position Bagley and Giles end up being. I'd guess most teams would play them the majority of their minutes at the 5. Although, with Vlade saying Bagley can play the 3 who knows A lot of it will be match-up and strategy dependent. So its not necessarily a bad thing to have versatility. The question is how many minutes are there to actually give to non-perimeter players? For most teams that number is under 48 as in your Houston and GS examples.