Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 6

[FAH1223]

Why isn’t Otto like this?

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[closg00]

I don't know if Walker is getting traded or not, but there is clearly more than meets the eye with Dwight. Rumor has it a more than few Hawks players cheered when they found out he was traded. A lot of it seems to be centered around how he talks a big game/team game, and then goes out and plays soft and doesn't do any of the work that doesn't show up on the stats sheet. I suspect the Hornets were the same deal. He's not very good and he's not well-liked by his teammates. Everybody wants to get rid of him. There's a reason the Hawks dumped him so cheap and why the Rockets let him walk so easily.

Yeah, there seems to be a universal dislike of Dwight Howard. Coaches hate him. Players hate him. The media hates him. He must be awful in a locker room.

Yup
https://nba.nbcsports.com/2018/06/20/brendan-haywood-former-hornets-teammates-sick-and-tired-of-dwight-howards-act/

[dckingsfan]

In Trae Young and Kevin Hurter, the Hawks hope they have their Curry-Thompson tandem

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2018/06/22/in-trae-young-and-kevin-huerter-the-hawks-hope-they-have-their-curry-thompson-tandem/?utm_term=.590fc34d0d29

The Hawks are going for a poor mans GSW with a Young /Hurter tandem, think it could work in a couple of years?

I think Atlanta is going in the right direction, but I don't think this draft was amazing in any way, shape or form.

They are adding draft picks detailed below. They have lots of cap flexibility. The assets they do have are all tradeable for other assets (with the exception of Plumlee). The ballsy move now is to take on bad contracts for picks and to play their young players to see who can really play. Why not take a chance with Young/Hurter. But then why not take a chance with Luka Dončić? Puzzling. Why not try to trade up with Denver to take Porter (they could have taken Faried and swapped picks, 14 for 19.

2019 first round draft pick from Cleveland
2019 first round draft pick from Dallas
2019 second round draft pick from Charlotte
They do lose their 2019 second round draft pick to Washington
2019 second round draft pick from Minnesota or L.A. Lakers (less favorable)
2020 second round draft pick from Portland
2023 second round draft pick from Charlotte

Their current lineup isn't going to scare anyone, no?

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Schroder   Young    Taylor
Bazemore   Hurter   Dorsey
Prince     Bembry   
Collins    Muscala   
Dedmon     Plumlee   


[Eli Babak]

That 2019 second round pick Wizards have is top-55-protected so unless they totally dominate next season I think they'll retain it... They also drafted Omari Spellman (PF/C) who seems like a nice prospect. I think they had a nice draft, even though it's obvious to me that Doncic > Young but they fell in love with him for some reason.

[Dat2U]

There's a better chance of Gortat starting at C for us than Dennis Schroder starting next year for Atlanta. He doesn't want to be there and they apparently dont want him either.

I would have taken Doncic but they are definitely taking the Warriors approach to building. It wouldn't shock me if Young steps into the court a puts up 20+ a game. Collins has potential. They've got a ton of versatile wings. I think they've made a nice start in their rebuilding process.

[closg00]

The Phoenix Suns have agreed to sign Elie Okobo to a four-year, $6 million rookie contract.

Okobo’s deal will be guaranteed in the first two years for over $2.6 million.

Okobo was the No. 31 overall pick.

Playing in the French Pro A league last season, Okobo averaged 13.8 points and 4.7 assists per game.

Kobo's agent must be French. Congrats to the Suns, 4-year 6M contract is absurdly good

[FAH1223]

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[verbal8]

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Denver seems to be making some savy moves this offseason.

[closg00]

Jokic was picked at 41, see how that worked-out?

[FAH1223]

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[jayu70]

There's a better chance of Gortat starting at C for us than Dennis Schroder starting next year for Atlanta. He doesn't want to be there and they apparently dont want him either.

I would have taken Doncic but they are definitely taking the Warriors approach to building. It wouldn't shock me if Young steps into the court a puts up 20+ a game. Collins has potential. They've got a ton of versatile wings. I think they've made a nice start in their rebuilding process.

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[closg00]

Why isn’t Otto like this?

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Anyone else have to Google this guy?

[verbal8]

So the Lakers under a lot of pressure to acquire Leonard from the Spurs. Presumably getting Leonard makes LeBron willing to sign with them.

Do they have the pieces to get Leonard and still have a team that would be attractive to LeBron?

[Ruzious]

There's a better chance of Gortat starting at C for us than Dennis Schroder starting next year for Atlanta. He doesn't want to be there and they apparently dont want him either.

I would have taken Doncic but they are definitely taking the Warriors approach to building. It wouldn't shock me if Young steps into the court a puts up 20+ a game. Collins has potential. They've got a ton of versatile wings. I think they've made a nice start in their rebuilding process.

One thing they're going to be way behind GS is defense - especially if they let Dedmon go. That's a brutally bad defensive roster.

[Rafael122]

So the Lakers under a lot of pressure to acquire Leonard from the Spurs. Presumably getting Leonard makes LeBron willing to sign with them.

Do they have the pieces to get Leonard and still have a team that would be attractive to LeBron?

It's kinda crazy that if true, James has basically told them to get Kawhi and he'll go there. That's crazy to me, get one guy and you have probably the 2nd best to ever play the game on your roster.

Honestly, I don't know if I would do it. This is another Melo-Denver-Knicks situation. Everyone knew Melo was going to sign with the Knicks but they traded for him anyway and gutted their team. If Kawhi is so hell bent on signing with the Lakers, they can wait a year. Problem is, you potentially lose out on Lebron James. It's soo risky.

[closg00]

James wants to spend his sunset years in LA where he has a home, guess he doesn't care about rings anymore ...although he probably has something cooking with a Big-3 in LA.

[Rafael122]

I'm legitimately interested if San Antonio can pull this off. I posted this in the general board:

Honestly, if the Spurs get Kuzma and Ingram plus a pick or two, I don't see how San Antonio doesn't make the playoffs next year or at least come close to it. Hypothetical roster:

PG - Murray
SG - Green
SF - Ingram
PF - Kuzma
C - Aldridge

Bench: Gasol, Walker, Mills, Anderson, Bertans, Ginobili

I think they'll also have some cap room to work with to short up the roster. It's not a 55 win team, but you have Pop, a great mix of offense and defense...I can see them being a 6th seed depending on how everything shakes out.

Summer of 2019, you got Green coming off the books, Gasol has $6.7 mil guaranteed, the only guy on the roster making more than $10 million is LMA. You got the Laker first rounder, your own first rounder and a ton of cap space. I think that's what San Antonio is trying to get out of it. Tread water this year, and make a run at a free agent next summer.

I count about $90 million in salaries in 2018, which means they probably have about $10 million in cap space to bring someone in.

2019 - they will probably have about $67 million in guaranteed salaries. I'm assuming Anderson gets something like $6.5 mil per year. Two first round picks, and enough cap room to sign 1 guy to the max. Spurs could set themselves up for awhile with Murray, Kuzma, Walker, Ingram as a core.

[gtn130]

There's a better chance of Gortat starting at C for us than Dennis Schroder starting next year for Atlanta. He doesn't want to be there and they apparently dont want him either.

I would have taken Doncic but they are definitely taking the Warriors approach to building. It wouldn't shock me if Young steps into the court a puts up 20+ a game. Collins has potential. They've got a ton of versatile wings. I think they've made a nice start in their rebuilding process.

One thing they're going to be way behind GS is defense - especially if they let Dedmon go. That's a brutally bad defensive roster.

Trae Young and Kevin Heurter were drafted to be Steph and Klay, but they'll be the worst defensive backcourt in the league even if they both hit on their offensive potential. Really not a fan of the moves Atlanta made.

[Dat2U]

There's a better chance of Gortat starting at C for us than Dennis Schroder starting next year for Atlanta. He doesn't want to be there and they apparently dont want him either.

I would have taken Doncic but they are definitely taking the Warriors approach to building. It wouldn't shock me if Young steps into the court a puts up 20+ a game. Collins has potential. They've got a ton of versatile wings. I think they've made a nice start in their rebuilding process.

One thing they're going to be way behind GS is defense - especially if they let Dedmon go. That's a brutally bad defensive roster.

Trae Young and Kevin Heurter were drafted to be Steph and Klay, but they'll be the worst defensive backcourt in the league even if they both hit on their offensive potential. Really not a fan of the moves Atlanta made.

Oh I'm sure their defense will be bad for a while but funny thing is Young's defense may not be significantly worse than Dennis Schroder who literally rolled out the red carpet for opposing guards.

This draft is about 4-5 years down the road for them. In today's NBA, erring on the side of SKILL is probably a recipe for success. Huerter will be a SF by then. Young will have hopefully added some strength and worked on getting athletic and quicker.

[Ruzious]

There's a better chance of Gortat starting at C for us than Dennis Schroder starting next year for Atlanta. He doesn't want to be there and they apparently dont want him either.

I would have taken Doncic but they are definitely taking the Warriors approach to building. It wouldn't shock me if Young steps into the court a puts up 20+ a game. Collins has potential. They've got a ton of versatile wings. I think they've made a nice start in their rebuilding process.

One thing they're going to be way behind GS is defense - especially if they let Dedmon go. That's a brutally bad defensive roster.

Trae Young and Kevin Heurter were drafted to be Steph and Klay, but they'll be the worst defensive backcourt in the league even if they both hit on their offensive potential. Really not a fan of the moves Atlanta made.

It's like buying the off-brand of something really nice. You might like to show off your fancy new Rolex, but if you're wearing a Rulix, you probably won't get the reaction you were hoping for.