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Clippers Prepared To Build Kawhi Leonard Offer Around Tobias Harris, 12th Overall Pick

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Re: Clippers Prepared To Build Kawhi Leonard Offer Around Tobias Harris, 12th Overall Pick 

Post#21 » by The Penguin » Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:08 pm

Kilo wrote:I could see Pop and Spurs looking to move on quickly if he goes hard public like this. I could see a draft night three way trade that nets Spurs Ingram, Deng, #25 and whatever they could get from Team 3 for Lonzo Ball for Leonard and fodder contracts.

Lakers give up Ingram, Ball, #25 and Deng for Leonard seems like a fair price.



That's what I expect too Kawhi is pushing to LA to tank the value from other offers and force the Spurs hand, something like:

Lakers out- Ingram / Ball / #25 / Josh Hart / Deng
Lakers in- Kawhi / Kemba

Spurs out- Kawhi
Spurs in- Ingram / Marvin Williams / pick #25

Hornets out - Kemba / Marvin Williams
Hornets in - Lonzo / Deng / Hart

I think Ingram is going to be the single best piece available to the Spurs, I believe the Hornets are going to rebuild and Lonzo is the best piece they'll get for Kemba. Hornets save some money, even though they take in Dengs deal, if they are rebuilding they don't really need Williams. Williams seems like the type of smart vet Pop would like, with Pop suggesting an imminent retirement and them being a 50 win team without Kawhi, I don't think they go full rebuild.

The Lonzo - Kemba swap can be a handshake deal completed after the Lakers sign Lebron & George. Ripping it down to Kawhi / Lonzo / Kuzma gives enough cap space to get Lebron & George very close to their maxes, then Lonzo gets swapped for Kemba (doing it before costs Lebron & George about $4 mil combined.)
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Re: Clippers Prepared To Build Kawhi Leonard Offer Around Tobias Harris, 12th Overall Pick 

Post#22 » by Kilo » Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:20 pm

The Penguin wrote:
Kilo wrote:I could see Pop and Spurs looking to move on quickly if he goes hard public like this. I could see a draft night three way trade that nets Spurs Ingram, Deng, #25 and whatever they could get from Team 3 for Lonzo Ball for Leonard and fodder contracts.

Lakers give up Ingram, Ball, #25 and Deng for Leonard seems like a fair price.



That's what I expect too Kawhi is pushing to LA to tank the value from other offers and force the Spurs hand, something like:

Lakers out- Ingram / Ball / #25 / Josh Hart / Deng
Lakers in- Kawhi / Kemba

Spurs out- Kawhi
Spurs in- Ingram / Marvin Williams / pick #25

Hornets out - Kemba / Marvin Williams
Hornets in - Lonzo / Deng / Hart

I think Ingram is going to be the single best piece available to the Spurs, I believe the Hornets are going to rebuild and Lonzo is the best piece they'll get for Kemba. Hornets save some money, even though they take in Dengs deal, if they are rebuilding they don't really need Williams. Williams seems like the type of smart vet Pop would like, with Pop suggesting an imminent retirement and them being a 50 win team without Kawhi, I don't think they go full rebuild.

The Lonzo - Kemba swap can be a handshake deal completed after the Lakers sign Lebron & George. Ripping it down to Kawhi / Lonzo / Kuzma gives enough cap space to get Lebron & George very close to their maxes, then Lonzo gets swapped for Kemba (doing it before costs Lebron & George about $4 mil combined.)


I can see Ball to Charlotte, but think Kemba goes to SA in this three way. Kemba and Kawhi for Ball, Ingram, #25 and dumping Deng is too much return for LAL.

SA Out - Kawhi Leonard
SA In - Brandon Ingram, Kemba Walker

NO out - Kemba Walker, Marvin Williams
NO in - Lonzo Ball, #25, Luol Deng

LAL out - Brandon Ingram, Lonzo Ball, Luol Deng, #25
LAL in - Kawhi Leonard, Marvin Williams
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Re: Clippers Prepared To Build Kawhi Leonard Offer Around Tobias Harris, 12th Overall Pick 

Post#23 » by Neptune » Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:18 am

BadMofoPimp wrote:Boston can offer better

Basically this! Boston can offer the best package period! If need-be, I wouldn't be surprised if Tatum is traded for Leonard.
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Re: Clippers Prepared To Build Kawhi Leonard Offer Around Tobias Harris, 12th Overall Pick 

Post#24 » by Spider156 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:20 am

Neptune wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:Boston can offer better

Basically this! Boston can offer the best package period! If need-be, I wouldn't be surprised if Tatum is traded for Leonard.

They'd get leonard for a season and he leaves. I'd offer Spurs Kyrie irving instead. He's gonna leave anyway.
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Re: Clippers Prepared To Build Kawhi Leonard Offer Around Tobias Harris, 12th Overall Pick 

Post#25 » by Neptune » Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:31 am

Spider156 wrote:
Neptune wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:Boston can offer better

Basically this! Boston can offer the best package period! If need-be, I wouldn't be surprised if Tatum is traded for Leonard.

They'd get leonard for a season and he leaves. I'd offer Spurs Kyrie irving instead. He's gonna leave anyway.

I don't think so. I believe if Leonard gets traded to Boston this whole "Lakers Headline" thing will vanish. Lebron will go to Houston and George will re-sign in OKC.

So after a season of playing with
" Kyrie/Hayward/Leonard/Morris/Horford "
while competing in the finals, why would he want to go to the Lakers with a bunch of young guys in an already competitive western conference?
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Post#26 » by 7r5ur » Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:46 am

Spider156 wrote:
Neptune wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:Boston can offer better

Basically this! Boston can offer the best package period! If need-be, I wouldn't be surprised if Tatum is traded for Leonard.

They'd get leonard for a season and he leaves. I'd offer Spurs Kyrie irving instead. He's gonna leave anyway.

But do the Spurs want another guy who's gonna want to leave? Tobias and 1 or 2 lotto picks could get it done.

And yeah, that'd be a little depressing, but it will be easy to tell myself he'd never re-sign here anyways. :-?
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Re: Clippers Prepared To Build Kawhi Leonard Offer Around Tobias Harris, 12th Overall Pick 

Post#27 » by Spider156 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:56 am

Neptune wrote:
Spider156 wrote:
Neptune wrote:Basically this! Boston can offer the best package period! If need-be, I wouldn't be surprised if Tatum is traded for Leonard.

They'd get leonard for a season and he leaves. I'd offer Spurs Kyrie irving instead. He's gonna leave anyway.

I don't think so. I believe if Leonard gets traded to Boston this whole "Lakers Headline" thing will vanish. Lebron will go to Houston and George will re-sign in OKC.

So after a season of playing with
" Kyrie/Hayward/Leonard/Morris/Horford "
while competing in the finals, why would he want to go to the Lakers with a bunch of young guys in an already competitive western conference?

In that case if you're Ainge you'd trade away Kyrie in a heartbeat so lebron signs after getting Leonard. I hope kyrie gets traded. He's disloyal and selfish and I hope he never wins a ring again.

Also you're really downplaying the Hollywood scene. You know how cool it is to be in LA and randomly see superstars of music, movies, opportunities left and right, most beautiful women in the world coming at you, playing for the most successful organization next to Boston. I mean I'd go to LA too haha. But it'd be interesting to go to New York too. I'd rather go there because they suck and my legacy would be more meaningful without the championship expectations. But LA's got the weather and it's less hectic.
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Re: Clippers Prepared To Build Kawhi Leonard Offer Around Tobias Harris, 12th Overall Pick 

Post#28 » by Neptune » Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:56 am

Spider156 wrote:
Neptune wrote:
Spider156 wrote:They'd get leonard for a season and he leaves. I'd offer Spurs Kyrie irving instead. He's gonna leave anyway.

I don't think so. I believe if Leonard gets traded to Boston this whole "Lakers Headline" thing will vanish. Lebron will go to Houston and George will re-sign in OKC.

So after a season of playing with
" Kyrie/Hayward/Leonard/Morris/Horford "
while competing in the finals, why would he want to go to the Lakers with a bunch of young guys in an already competitive western conference?

In that case if you're Ainge you'd trade away Kyrie in a heartbeat so lebron signs after getting Leonard. I hope kyrie gets traded. He's disloyal and selfish and I hope he never wins a ring again.

The thing is, Lebron wants to win a ring now. If he went to Boston he wouldn't have Paul or Harden. I honestly believe he wants to play with those two before he ends his career. I think I'm getting off topic, lol.
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Re: Clippers Prepared To Build Kawhi Leonard Offer Around Tobias Harris, 12th Overall Pick 

Post#29 » by Phobo_Phile » Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:31 pm

Like others have said, there is now way the Spurs accept a trade offer sent around this. The idea that we would be in a position to trade for Kawhi regardless of the Blake trade is absurd.

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