Draft Big Boards -- Put Up or Shut Up (2018)

[phiphan]

Amateurs and experts alike, post your Big Boards or forever hold your peace.

AT LEAST 1-15

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There should be very limited initial discussion in this thread -- post your boards and feel free to comment on your selections within your own post -- but please comment below your order for easy copy/pasting. Do not feel free to comment on others' boards until after the draft is complete. I'll quote post everyone's board in the reserved spaces here for ease of reference. Please try to get your boards posted before the draft.

[phiphan]

1. Ayton
2. JJJ
3. Doncic
4. Bagley
5. MPJ
6. Walker
7. Young
8. Carter
9. Mikal Bridges
10. Bamba
11. Miles Bridges
12. SGA
13. Troy Brown
14. Z.Smith
15. Knox

1.JJJ
2.Bamba
3.Ayton
4.Doncic
5.SGA
6.Walker
7.Mikal
8.Young
9.Bagley
10.Carter
11.Brown
12.Knox
13.Smith
14.Sexton
15.Frazier
16.Huerter
17.Okogie
18.Thomas
19.Melton
20.Miles

1. Ayton
2. JJJ
3. Doncic
4. Hutchison
5. SGA
6. Bamba
7. Sexton
8. Young
9. Carter
10. Robert Williams
11. Troy Brown
12. Khyri Thomas
13. Vanderbilt
14. Mikal Bridges
15. Wagner

1. Doncic
2. JJJ
3. Ayton
4. Bamba
5. Carter
6. Bagley
7. SGA
8. Sexton
9. Young
10. Mpj
11. Mikal
12. Knox
13. Miles

1. Ayton
2. JJJ
3. Doncic
4. Bamba
5. Carter
6. Bagley
7. Sexton
8. Shai
9. Porter
10. Mikal
11. Young
12. Walker
13. Williams
14. Hutchinson
15. Bates-Diop

1. Jaren Jackson, Jr.
2. Luka Doncic
3. Michael Porter, Jr.
4. Mo Bamba
5. Marvin Bagley III
6. DeAndre Ayton
7. Kevin Huerter
8. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
9. Wendell Carter, Jr.
10. Miles Bridges
11. Trae Young
12. Kevin Knox
13. Moritz Wagner
14. Lonnie Walker IV
15. Anfernee Simons
16. Mikal Bridges
17. Donte DiVincenzo
18. Colin Sexton
19. Mitchell Robinson
20. Chandler Hutchison
21. Zhaire Smith
22. Melvin Frazier
23. Robert Williams
24. Grayson Allen
25. Jerome Robinson
26. Aaron Holiday
27. Troy Brown
28. Jarred Vanderbilt
29. Landry Shamet
30. Omari Spellman

1. Deandre Ayton
2. Mo Bamba
3. Luka Doncic
4. Jared Jackson Jr
5. Marvin Bagley
6. Wendell Carter Jr
7. Michael Porter Jr
8. Trae Young
9. Mikal Bridges
10. Lonnie Walker
11. Kevin Knox
12. Shai Gilgeous Alexander
13. Zhaire Smith
14. Miles Bridges
15. Kevin Huerter
16. Collin Sexton

1) Doncic
2) Ayton
3) Jaren Jackson
4) Wendell Carter
5) Miles Bridges
6) Shai Gilgeous Alexander
7) Trae Young
8) Marvin Bagley
9) DeAnthony Melton
10) Kevin Huerter
11) Elie Okobo
12) Josh Okogie
13) Mitchell Robinson
14) Mikal Bridges
15) Lonnie Walker
16) Trent Jr
17) Mo Bamba
18) Jacob Evans
19) Kevin Knox
20) Zhaire

Spoiler:

Note - quite a number of these picks are predicated on where I think players will be selected, and thus to what team, which is a HUGE factor for me in success. In a vacuum I'd have Marvin Bagley above Wendell Carter for example, but all indications are he's going to one of the worst situations in the league in the Kings. I may even have Bagley too high for that reason alone and also because there are some huge flaws in his game - but his outlier offensive game will at least mean he's a premier garbage man who will put up some great stats, albeit not contribute that much to winning.

This is also the reason why I have Mitchell Robinson in the top 15 despite him not playing any college ball; its obvious from the tape around that he has better defensive instincts than someone like Mo Bamba and he could well end up be slightly better on that end as a shot blocker than JJJ. Its also extremely likely he will fall to a great situation, ie the Warriors, or heavens forbid, the Celtics (cringe), but if Bamba were on those teams I would be much much higher on his possible outcome compared to where I have him listed here. Those franchises are clearly doing something right in terms of player development - alternately if Robinson were on a bad team I could well see him out of the league in three years.

Guys like Okobo, Okogie, Trent Jr, Huerter, Melton, these are guys that are going to get into decent situations, a few of them into great ones, so this is basically why I have them higher than consensus compared to most, plus the fact I like their games. Melton for example has a good argument for being the best defender in the draft. There are thus a few notable absentees, so Sexton I would have had late teens normally but if he goes to the Knicks for example, that's a recipe for disaster in my eyes.

I've also removed Porter Jr from my board altogether, this is not only because of the injury situation but also because he's a vegan and seemingly won't be able to play in a team situation that well if recent comments he's made are correctly quoted. This means I bumped up a few players a spot as a result, as I had him top 8 previously.

FYI I really wanted to find spots for guys like Hervey, Spellman and Melvin Frazier, the first two because of their shooting and the latter because of the 3 and D potential/ridiculous athleticism, but couldn't fit them in.

1. Doncic
2. Young
3. Bamba
4. Mikal Bridges
5. Miles Bridges
6. JJJ
7. Porter
8. Carter
9. Knox
10. Ayton
11. Bagley
12. Sexton
13. SGA
14. Musa
15. Walker

1. JJJ
2. Doncic
3. Bamba
4. Ayton
5. Mikal
6. Young
7. Sexton
8. Walker
9. Z Smith
10. MPJ
11. Knox
12. Miles
13. Carter
14. SGA
15. Huerter

1. Bamba
2. JJJ
3. Ayton
4. Doncic
5. Bagley
6. Miles Bridges
7. Shai
8. Sexton
9. Carter
10. Knox
11. Young
12. Mikal Bridges
13. Porter
14. Walker
15. Zhaire

1. Doncic
2. Ayton
3. Bagley
4. JJJ
5. Bamba
6. Porter
7. Young
8. Carter
9. Mikal
10. Knox
11. Shai
12. Sexton
13. Miles
14. Walker
15. Zhaire

1. Luka Doncic
2. Jaren Jackson

3. Deandre Ayton
4. Miles Bridges
5. Trae Young
6. Wendell Carter
7. Mo Bamba
8. Chandler Hutchison
9. Josh Okogie

10. Marvin Bagley
11. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
12. Mikal Bridges
13. Zhaire Smith
14. Kevin Huerter
15. Michael Porter

Small elaboration on each ranking:

Spoiler:

Tier 1
1. Luka Doncic
Wing with ability to dribble, shoot off the dribble and not be a massive liability on the defensive end. More upside than consensus thinks due to possible improvement of athleticism.

2. Jaren Jackson
DPOY upside, can stretch the floor on offense, punish poor closeouts but not an offensive creator.

Tier 2
3. Deandre Ayton
Will put up big numbers, high volume with meh efficiency if wrongly used. Excellent rim runner and has the feet and length to not be a liability in the play offs.

4. Miles Bridges
Wing with frame to switch onto bigs and has the ability to shoot off the dribble and screens. Ultra valuable in modern NBA.

5. Trae Young
Best offensive player in the draft. 3PT% not indicative of shooting ability, in combination with ability switch gears with the ball and passing/vision he has Curry/Lillard upside offensively. Defensive liability.

6. Wendell Carter
Can shoot, playmaker out of post by shooting, fake DHO's and passing and punish mismatches. Defensively often in right position, not a fantastic perimeter defender at this point, but has some upside if he improves technique (better feet than advertised imo).

7. Mo Bamba
High floor, low ceiling for me. Think he'll be a good rim protector but lack the vision, anticipation and toughness to be elite on that end. Solely as a rim runner, dunker á la Tyson Chandler he could be really valuable in low usage role, but he probably sees himself more as a creator.

8. Chandler Hutchison
Aside from Doncic only wing with legit size that has primary/secondary creation upside

9. Josh Okogie
Disapointing size for a wing, but makes up for an excellent frame and wingspan. If he alters his set point slightly I think there's a ton of improvement with his off the ball shooting. Two-way player with upside on the offensive end.

Tier 3
10. Marvin Bagley
Very small chance he improves his handle/or becomes a good 3pt shooter and therefore has 2nd/3rd option upside. If not, high TS% and OREB creator with some switching ability and limited rim protection.

11. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
Best fit as a secondary creator, capable C&S shooter but not good enough off the dribble to become a top 15 PG. Sound on defensive end, but frame prevents him from elite defensive upside.

12. Mikal Bridges
Great C&S shooter, capable off screens eventually and really sound as a defender. However just good on both ends and not great due to lack of dribbling/physicality and twitch.

13. Zhaire Smith
Good PoA defender, frame to switch onto smaller 4's and has underrated dribbling and passing abilities. Slow shooting motion limits his offensive upside, but in ceiling outcome he can become secondary playmaker.

14. Kevin Huerter
Great shooter off movement, while having size and some handles. I like his ability to navigate through screens, but worry a bit about his lack of length and physicality. Shooting threat alone makes him valuable in any offense.

15. Michael Porter
High upside if realizes what his limitations are, however I fear he'll be a high usage poor efficient forward. Really depends on destination, as a stretch 4/5 extremely valuable offensively. Has to embrace physicality and lower usage role in the NBA. Don't like him as a wing.

1) Luka Doncic
2) Deandre Ayton
3) JJJ
4) Marvin Bagley
5) Mo Bamba
6) Miles Bridges
7) Wendell Carter
8) SGA
9) Lonnie Walker
10) Collin Sexton
11) Mikal Bridges
12) Kevin Knox
13) Troy Brown Jr.
14) Kevin Huerter
15) Chandler Hutchinson
16) Trae Young
17) Zhaire Smith
18) Khyri Thomas
19) Elie Okobe
20) Gary Trent Jr.

Spoiler:

Rankings are not Sixer centric and are in a vacuum. I've taken Michael Porter Jr. completely off my board. Too many red flags with injuries and a huge ego. Plus he was homeschooled so probably lacks social skills. All the way out on Porter Jr.

1. Ayton
2. Doncic

3. Bamba
4. Jaren Jackson

5. Carter
6. Knox
7. Bagley
8. Mikal Bridges
9. Huerter
10. Michael Porter
11. Okogie
12. Gilgeous-Alexander
12. Trae Young
13. Zhaire Smith
14. Lonnie Walker
15. Sexton

Spoiler:

Notable absences: Miles Bridges. I was tempted to leave Trae Young completely off the board because I think he'll be practically unplayable in the playoffs.

JJJ
Bamba
Ayton
Doncic
Young
Carter
SGA
Mikal B
Williams
Walker
Huerter
Miles B
Hutchison
Bates-Diop
Bagley

Spoiler:

Here’s what I’m going with. After the top two tiers I think you’re looking at a whole bunch of low end starters/rotation players.

1. DeAndre Ayton
2. Mo Bamba
3. Jaren Jackson

4. Luka Doncic
5. Michael Porter
6. Mavin Bagley
7. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
8. Troy Brown
9. Miles Bridges
10. Robert Williams
11. Trae Young
12. Chandler Hutchinson

13. Wendell Carter
14. Lonnie Walker
15. Colin Sexton
16. Bruce Brown
17. Mikal Bridges
18. Zhaire Smith
19. Kevin Knox
20. Aaron Holiday

1. Luka Doncic

2. Jaren Jackson Jr.
3. Mo Bamba
4. DeAndre Ayton
5. Trae Young
6. Michael Porter Jr.
7. Marvin Bagley

8. Wendell Carter
9. Mikal Bridges
10. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
11. Collin Sexton
12. Miles Bridges
13. Zhaire Smith
14. Robert Williams
15. Chandler Hutchison

[phiphan]

[reserved]

[JojoSlimbiid]

Ayton
JJJ
Doncic
Bagley
MPJ
Walker
Young
Carter
Mikal
Bamba
Miles
SGA
Troy Brown
Z.Smith
Knox

[Mik317]

1.JJJ
2.Bamba
3.Ayton
4.Doncic
5.SGA
6.Walker
7.Mikal
8.Young
9.Bagley
10.Carter
11.Brown
12.Knox
13.Smith
14.Sexton
15.Frazier
16.Huerter
17.Okogie
18.Thomas
19.Melton
20.Miles

[Negrodamus]

1. Ayton
2. JJJ
3. Doncic
4. Hutchison
5. SGA
6. Bamba
7. Sexton
8. Young
9. Carter
10. Robert Williams
11. Troy Brown
12. Khyri Thomas
13. Vanderbilt
14. Mikal Bridges
15. Wagner

[gags1288]

1. Doncic
2. JJJ
3. Ayton
4. Bamba
5. Carter
6. Bagley
7. SGA
8. Sexton
9. Young
10. Mpj
11. Mikal
12. Knox
13. R. Williams
14. Miles
15. Smith

[ProcessDoctor]

1. Ayton
2. JJJ
3. Doncic
4. Bamba
5. Carter
6. Bagley
7. Sexton
8. Shai
9. Porter
10. Mikal
11. Young
12. Walker
13. Williams
14. Hutchinson
15. Bates-Diop

[septahex]

1. Jaren Jackson, Jr.
2. Luka Doncic
3. Michael Porter, Jr.
4. Mo Bamba
5. Marvin Bagley III
6. DeAndre Ayton
7. Kevin Huerter
8. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
9. Wendell Carter, Jr.
10. Miles Bridges
11. Trae Young
12. Kevin Knox
13. Moritz Wagner
14. Lonnie Walker IV
15. Anfernee Simons
16. Mikal Bridges
17. Donte DiVincenzo
18. Colin Sexton
19. Mitchell Robinson
20. Chandler Hutchison
21. Zhaire Smith
22. Melvin Frazier
23. Robert Williams
24. Grayson Allen
25. Jerome Robinson
26. Aaron Holiday
27. Troy Brown
28. Jarred Vanderbilt
29. Landry Shamet
30. Omari Spellman

[MountainDrew]

1. Deandre Ayton
2. Mo Bamba
3. Luka Doncic
4. Jared Jackson Jr
5. Marvin Bagley
6. Wendell Carter Jr
7. Michael Porter Jr
8. Trae Young
9. Mikal Bridges
10. Lonnie Walker
11. Kevin Knox
12. Shai Gilgeous Alexander
13. Zhaire Smith
14. Miles Bridges
15. Kevin Huerter
16. Collin Sexton

Change my mind all the time but this is where Im at right now

[PLO]

1) Doncic
2) Ayton
3) Jaren Jackson
4) Wendell Carter
5) Miles Bridges
6) Shai Gilgeous Alexander
7) Trae Young
8) Marvin Bagley
9) DeAnthony Melton
10) Kevin Huerter
11) Elie Okobo
12) Josh Okogie
13) Mitchell Robinson
14) Mikal Bridges
15) Lonnie Walker
16) Trent Jr
17) Mo Bamba
18) Jacob Evans
19) Kevin Knox
20) Zhaire


Note - quite a number of these picks are predicated on where I think players will be selected, and thus to what team, which is a HUGE factor for me in success. In a vacuum I'd have Marvin Bagley above Wendell Carter for example, but all indications are he's going to one of the worst situations in the league in the Kings. I may even have Bagley too high for that reason alone and also because there are some huge flaws in his game - but his outlier offensive game will at least mean he's a premier garbage man who will put up some great stats, albeit not contribute that much to winning.

This is also the reason why I have Mitchell Robinson in the top 15 despite him not playing any college ball; its obvious from the tape around that he has better defensive instincts than someone like Mo Bamba and he could well end up be slightly better on that end as a shot blocker than JJJ. Its also extremely likely he will fall to a great situation, ie the Warriors, or heavens forbid, the Celtics (cringe), but if Bamba were on those teams I would be much much higher on his possible outcome compared to where I have him listed here. Those franchises are clearly doing something right in terms of player development - alternately if Robinson were on a bad team I could well see him out of the league in three years.

Guys like Okobo, Okogie, Trent Jr, Huerter, Melton, these are guys that are going to get into decent situations, a few of them into great ones, so this is basically why I have them higher than consensus compared to most, plus the fact I like their games. Melton for example has a good argument for being the best defender in the draft. There are thus a few notable absentees, so Sexton I would have had late teens normally but if he goes to the Knicks for example, that's a recipe for disaster in my eyes.

I've also removed Porter Jr from my board altogether, this is not only because of the injury situation but also because he's a vegan and seemingly won't be able to play in a team situation that well if recent comments he's made are correctly quoted. This means I bumped up a few players a spot as a result, as I had him top 8 previously.

FYI I really wanted to find spots for guys like Hervey, Spellman and Melvin Frazier, the first two because of their shooting and the latter because of the 3 and D potential/ridiculous athleticism, but couldn't fit them in.

[Stribor]

1. Doncic
2. Young
3. Bamba
4. Mikal Bridges
5. Miles Bridges
6. JJJ
7. Porter
8. Carter
9. Knox
10. Ayton
11. Bagley
12. Sexton
13. SGA
14. Musa
15. Walker

I am low on all the big that did not show much of defense and/or can not shoot, but for big defense is my number one trait to look...

[Mrcrockpots]

1. JJJ
2. Doncic
3. Bamba
4. Ayton
5. Mikal
6. Young
7. Sexton
8. Walker
9. Z Smith
10. MPJ
11. Knox
12. Miles
13. Carter
14. SGA
15. Huerter

[BigSleep333]

1. Bamba
2. JJJ
3. Ayton
4. Doncic
5. Bagley
6. Miles Bridges
7. Shai
8. Sexton
9. Carter
10. Knox
11. Young
12. Mikal Bridges
13. Porter
14. Walker
15. Zhaire

[agiaco]

1. Doncic
2. Ayton
3. Bagley
4. JJJ
5. Bamba
6. Porter
7. Young
8. Carter
9. Mikal
10. Knox
11. Shai
12. Sexton
13. Miles
14. Walker
15. Zhaire

[Kolkmania]

Didn't spend as much time watching college this year, but like to get involved in discussions so people should have the opportunity to burn me.

1. Luka Doncic
2. Jaren Jackson

3. Deandre Ayton
4. Miles Bridges
5. Trae Young
6. Wendell Carter
7. Mo Bamba
8. Chandler Hutchison
9. Josh Okogie

10. Marvin Bagley
11. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
12. Mikal Bridges
13. Zhaire Smith
14. Kevin Huerter
15. Michael Porter

Small elaboration on each ranking:

Spoiler:

Tier 1
1. Luka Doncic
Wing with ability to dribble, shoot off the dribble and not be a massive liability on the defensive end. More upside than consensus thinks due to possible improvement of athleticism.

2. Jaren Jackson
DPOY upside, can stretch the floor on offense, punish poor closeouts but not an offensive creator.

Tier 2
3. Deandre Ayton
Will put up big numbers, high volume with meh efficiency if wrongly used. Excellent rim runner and has the feet and length to not be a liability in the play offs.

4. Miles Bridges
Wing with frame to switch onto bigs and has the ability to shoot off the dribble and screens. Ultra valuable in modern NBA.

5. Trae Young
Best offensive player in the draft. 3PT% not indicative of shooting ability, in combination with ability switch gears with the ball and passing/vision he has Curry/Lillard upside offensively. Defensive liability.

6. Wendell Carter
Can shoot, playmaker out of post by shooting, fake DHO's and passing and punish mismatches. Defensively often in right position, not a fantastic perimeter defender at this point, but has some upside if he improves technique (better feet than advertised imo).

7. Mo Bamba
High floor, low ceiling for me. Think he'll be a good rim protector but lack the vision, anticipation and toughness to be elite on that end. Solely as a rim runner, dunker á la Tyson Chandler he could be really valuable in low usage role, but he probably sees himself more as a creator.

8. Chandler Hutchison
Aside from Doncic only wing with legit size that has primary/secondary creation upside

9. Josh Okogie
Disapointing size for a wing, but makes up for an excellent frame and wingspan. If he alters his set point slightly I think there's a ton of improvement with his off the ball shooting. Two-way player with upside on the offensive end.

Tier 3
10. Marvin Bagley
Very small chance he improves his handle/or becomes a good 3pt shooter and therefore has 2nd/3rd option upside. If not, high TS% and OREB creator with some switching ability and limited rim protection.

11. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
Best fit as a secondary creator, capable C&S shooter but not good enough off the dribble to become a top 15 PG. Sound on defensive end, but frame prevents him from elite defensive upside.

12. Mikal Bridges
Great C&S shooter, capable off screens eventually and really sound as a defender. However just good on both ends and not great due to lack of dribbling/physicality and twitch.

13. Zhaire Smith
Good PoA defender, frame to switch onto smaller 4's and has underrated dribbling and passing abilities. Slow shooting motion limits his offensive upside, but in ceiling outcome he can become secondary playmaker.

14. Kevin Huerter
Great shooter off movement, while having size and some handles. I like his ability to navigate through screens, but worry a bit about his lack of length and physicality. Shooting threat alone makes him valuable in any offense.

15. Michael Porter
High upside if realizes what his limitations are, however I fear he'll be a high usage poor efficient forward. Really depends on destination, as a stretch 4/5 extremely valuable offensively. Has to embrace physicality and lower usage role in the NBA. Don't like him as a wing.

[MambaJuice]

1) Luka Doncic
2) Deandre Ayton
3) JJJ
4) Marvin Bagley
5) Mo Bamba
6) Miles Bridges
7) Wendell Carter
8) SGA
9) Lonnie Walker
10) Collin Sexton
11) Mikal Bridges
12) Kevin Knox
13) Troy Brown Jr.
14) Kevin Huerter
15) Chandler Hutchinson
16) Trae Young
17) Zhaire Smith
18) Khyri Thomas
19) Elie Okobe
20) Gary Trent Jr.

Rankings are not Sixer centric and are in a vacuum. I've taken Michael Porter Jr. completely off my board. Too many red flags with injuries and a huge ego. Plus he was homeschooled so probably lacks social skills. All the way out on Porter Jr.

[HartfordWhalers]

Amateurs and experts alike, post your Big Boards or forever hold your peace.

AT LEAST 1-15

PURE VALUE -- NOT SIXERS CENTRIC

There should be very limited initial discussion in this thread -- post your boards and feel free to comment on your selections within your own post -- but please comment below your order for easy copy/pasting. Do not feel free to comment on others' boards until after the draft is complete. I'll quote post everyone's board in the reserved spaces here for ease of reference. Please try to get your boards posted before the draft. (My own board will be posted after an in-depth youtube review at work tomorrow).

Great thread.

[phiphan]

1. Ayton
2. Doncic

3. Bamba
4. Jaren Jackson

5. Carter
6. Knox
7. Bagley
8. Mikal Bridges
9. Huerter
10. Michael Porter
11. Okogie
12. Gilgeous-Alexander
12. Trae Young
13. Zhaire Smith
14. Lonnie Walker
15. Sexton

Spoiler:

Notable absences: Miles Bridges. I was tempted to leave Trae Young completely off the board because I think he'll be practically unplayable in the playoffs.

[the_process]

Here’s what I’m going with. After the top two tiers I think you’re looking at a whole bunch of low end starters/rotation players.

JJJ
Bamba
Ayton

Doncic
Young
Carter
SGA

Mikal B
Williams
Walker
Huerter
Miles B
Hutchison
Bates-Diop
Bagley