Luka Doncic Part III

[batigol18]

Let's be real. Slovenia at Eurobasket had starting five and that it. Others had really overachieved but when you just check individual quality of 12 players together, there is really no match between Slovenia and top teams in Euroleague.

Kokoskov was a real difference maker, and off-course duo Dragic-Doncic with the help of others bring Slovenia at the top, when nobody expected that.

I really don't see, how would be Slovenia able to compete with top Euroleague teams in League format. And I'm talking for example about Slovenia with Dragic, Doncic, Randolph against Real Madrid with Doncic, Randolph...

[Bob8]

we are talking about the tournament. and the games played there. not talking about puting latvia, serbia, france, greece, croatia, slovenia and spain into a 80 games season.

we are talking about those 10,11 games. in there, i dare to say the eurobasket saw better basketball then a eurolegue season. i wont even mention the eurocup.

I believe Real, Fener, Cska and Panathinaikos would be favorits against Slovenia in Eurobasket. But in knockout games anything can happen of course. Slovenia was 30:1 before tournament and they have won. In best off 7 series, Slovenia would have little chance against those teams. All this is theoretical, but if we are just looking roster wise, only Spain had comparable roster to the best Euroleague teams, because of the all missing players from Serbia, France, Greece...

do you believe fener, real, cska, panathinaikos would be the favorites against spain? NO? but how? slovenia beat them by 20.

so you cant go by names, but you have to go by the sense of urgency, the fight, no calculations, just pure energy and hustle that a tournament brings along. and saying that, the EUROBASKET packed into that month had shown us BETTER BASKETBALL then a whole season of the euroleague.

do you understand what i am saying? i see you are a stats, and name guy, so i guess this kind of stuff when you have to consider other factors will give you problems to understand

Would Slovenia beat Spain tomorrow with the same roster? Maybe, maybe not. Maybe Spain would have beaten them by 20. In one match anything can happen, LeBron has lost Olympics and WC like that. Would GSW had that many titles in F4 format? Who knows, That’s why best off 7 series is played in Nba to determine, who’s the best. You cannot compared energy of the whole season to energy of 3 weeks. Put the best Euroleague teams in tournament and they would looked different too. Mirotic12 was talking about talent wise rosters not hypothetical results. Nobody knows what would happened in tournament like that, that’s why Slovenia was 30:1. Put the best 4 Euroleague teams in competition and bookies would give them better odds than to Slovenia and that’s all we’re talking about. We don’t know who would have won, but we can compare rosters. 10/12 Slovenian players played in 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th tier competitions in Europe. Kokoskov did a great job and they had great tournament and some other NTs were without their best players. They have won, but that’s highly unlikely to happen again.

[DryPaint]

I believe Real, Fener, Cska and Panathinaikos would be favorits against Slovenia in Eurobasket. But in knockout games anything can happen of course. Slovenia was 30:1 before tournament and they have won. In best off 7 series, Slovenia would have little chance against those teams. All this is theoretical, but if we are just looking roster wise, only Spain had comparable roster to the best Euroleague teams, because of the all missing players from Serbia, France, Greece...

do you believe fener, real, cska, panathinaikos would be the favorites against spain? NO? but how? slovenia beat them by 20.

so you cant go by names, but you have to go by the sense of urgency, the fight, no calculations, just pure energy and hustle that a tournament brings along. and saying that, the EUROBASKET packed into that month had shown us BETTER BASKETBALL then a whole season of the euroleague.

do you understand what i am saying? i see you are a stats, and name guy, so i guess this kind of stuff when you have to consider other factors will give you problems to understand

Would Slovenia beat Spain tomorrow with the same roster? Maybe, maybe not. Maybe Spain would have beaten them by 20. In one match anything can happen, LeBron has lost Olympics and WC like that. Would GSW had that many titles in F4 format? Who knows, That’s why best off 7 series is played in Nba to determine, who’s the best. You cannot compared energy of the whole season to energy of 3 weeks. Put the best Euroleague teams in tournament and they would looked different too. Mirotic12 was talking about talent wise rosters not hypothetical results. Nobody knows what would happened in tournament like that, that’s why Slovenia was 30:1. Put the best 4 Euroleague teams in competition and bookies would give them better odds than to Slovenia and that’s all we’re talking about. We don’t know who would have won, but we can compare rosters. 10/12 Slovenian players played in 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th tier competitions in Europe. Kokoskov did a great job and they had great tournament and some other NTs were without their best players. They have won, but that’s highly unlikely to happen again.

read again or maybe for the first time:

THE 1 MONTH OF THE EUROBASKET TOURNAMENT SHOWED US BETTER BASKETBALL GAMES THEN A SEASON OF THE EUROLEAGUE.

you are trying to make it wider then it is: im not putting slovenia in a 80 games season, or am comparing starting 5 quality vs a long becnh and fatigue. you are doing that and creating your own argument, wich has nothing to do with me, again ME:

THE 1 MONTH OF THE EUROBASKET TOURNAMENT SHOWED US BETTER BASKETBALL GAMES THEN A SEASON OF THE EUROLEAGUE.

if mirotic is trying to make another point with this: (eurocup is better then eurobasket tournament) it is by putting hypothetic stuff out there wich had nothing to do with the auctual conditions under wuch the eurobasket is played in ).

can you understand something so simple i am stating?

[Bob8]

do you believe fener, real, cska, panathinaikos would be the favorites against spain? NO? but how? slovenia beat them by 20.

so you cant go by names, but you have to go by the sense of urgency, the fight, no calculations, just pure energy and hustle that a tournament brings along. and saying that, the EUROBASKET packed into that month had shown us BETTER BASKETBALL then a whole season of the euroleague.

do you understand what i am saying? i see you are a stats, and name guy, so i guess this kind of stuff when you have to consider other factors will give you problems to understand

Would Slovenia beat Spain tomorrow with the same roster? Maybe, maybe not. Maybe Spain would have beaten them by 20. In one match anything can happen, LeBron has lost Olympics and WC like that. Would GSW had that many titles in F4 format? Who knows, That’s why best off 7 series is played in Nba to determine, who’s the best. You cannot compared energy of the whole season to energy of 3 weeks. Put the best Euroleague teams in tournament and they would looked different too. Mirotic12 was talking about talent wise rosters not hypothetical results. Nobody knows what would happened in tournament like that, that’s why Slovenia was 30:1. Put the best 4 Euroleague teams in competition and bookies would give them better odds than to Slovenia and that’s all we’re talking about. We don’t know who would have won, but we can compare rosters. 10/12 Slovenian players played in 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th tier competitions in Europe. Kokoskov did a great job and they had great tournament and some other NTs were without their best players. They have won, but that’s highly unlikely to happen again.

read again or maybe for the first time:

THE 1 MONTH OF THE EUROBASKET TOURNAMENT SHOWED US BETTER BASKETBALL GAMES THEN A SEASON OF THE EUROLEAGUE.

you are trying to make it wider then it is: im not putting slovenia in a 80 games season, or am comparing starting 5 quality vs a long becnh and fatigue. you are doing that and creating your own argument, wich has nothing to do with me, again ME:

THE 1 MONTH OF THE EUROBASKET TOURNAMENT SHOWED US BETTER BASKETBALL GAMES THEN A SEASON OF THE EUROLEAGUE.

if mirotic is trying to make another point with this: (eurocup is better then eurobasket tournament) it is by putting hypothetic stuff out there wich had nothing to do with the auctual conditions under wuch the eurobasket is played in ).

can you understand something so simple i am stating?

I have to agree, because you’re saying that? We have seen great games in Euroleague, powerhouses playing against each other. But you cannot compare intensity and emotions off knockout games with the regular season games. If 16 Euroleague teams played 3 weeks tournament for the championship, we would have seen the same emotions and energy like in Eurobasket. You’re comparing apples and oranges. The main difference is in competition, who are totally incomparable. We can only compare rosters and Euroleague powerhouses have much better rosters than Slovenia.

[DryPaint]

Would Slovenia beat Spain tomorrow with the same roster? Maybe, maybe not. Maybe Spain would have beaten them by 20. In one match anything can happen, LeBron has lost Olympics and WC like that. Would GSW had that many titles in F4 format? Who knows, That’s why best off 7 series is played in Nba to determine, who’s the best. You cannot compared energy of the whole season to energy of 3 weeks. Put the best Euroleague teams in tournament and they would looked different too. Mirotic12 was talking about talent wise rosters not hypothetical results. Nobody knows what would happened in tournament like that, that’s why Slovenia was 30:1. Put the best 4 Euroleague teams in competition and bookies would give them better odds than to Slovenia and that’s all we’re talking about. We don’t know who would have won, but we can compare rosters. 10/12 Slovenian players played in 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th tier competitions in Europe. Kokoskov did a great job and they had great tournament and some other NTs were without their best players. They have won, but that’s highly unlikely to happen again.

read again or maybe for the first time:

THE 1 MONTH OF THE EUROBASKET TOURNAMENT SHOWED US BETTER BASKETBALL GAMES THEN A SEASON OF THE EUROLEAGUE.

you are trying to make it wider then it is: im not putting slovenia in a 80 games season, or am comparing starting 5 quality vs a long becnh and fatigue. you are doing that and creating your own argument, wich has nothing to do with me, again ME:

THE 1 MONTH OF THE EUROBASKET TOURNAMENT SHOWED US BETTER BASKETBALL GAMES THEN A SEASON OF THE EUROLEAGUE.

if mirotic is trying to make another point with this: (eurocup is better then eurobasket tournament) it is by putting hypothetic stuff out there wich had nothing to do with the auctual conditions under wuch the eurobasket is played in ).

can you understand something so simple i am stating?

I have to agree, because you’re saying that? We have seen great games in Euroleague, powerhouses playing against each other. But you cannot compare intensity and emotions off knockout games with the regular season games. If 16 Euroleague teams played 3 weeks tournament for the championship, we would have seen the same emotions and energy like in Eurobasket. You’re comparing apples and oranges. The main difference is in competition, who are totally incomparable. We can only compare rosters and Euroleague powerhouses have much better rosters than Slovenia.

hey no problem. if you dont agree that means you also think the eurobasket is LEVELS BELOW the euroleague and euro cup.

just to make it clear

[Bob8]

read again or maybe for the first time:

THE 1 MONTH OF THE EUROBASKET TOURNAMENT SHOWED US BETTER BASKETBALL GAMES THEN A SEASON OF THE EUROLEAGUE.

you are trying to make it wider then it is: im not putting slovenia in a 80 games season, or am comparing starting 5 quality vs a long becnh and fatigue. you are doing that and creating your own argument, wich has nothing to do with me, again ME:

THE 1 MONTH OF THE EUROBASKET TOURNAMENT SHOWED US BETTER BASKETBALL GAMES THEN A SEASON OF THE EUROLEAGUE.

if mirotic is trying to make another point with this: (eurocup is better then eurobasket tournament) it is by putting hypothetic stuff out there wich had nothing to do with the auctual conditions under wuch the eurobasket is played in ).

can you understand something so simple i am stating?

I have to agree, because you’re saying that? We have seen great games in Euroleague, powerhouses playing against each other. But you cannot compare intensity and emotions off knockout games with the regular season games. If 16 Euroleague teams played 3 weeks tournament for the championship, we would have seen the same emotions and energy like in Eurobasket. You’re comparing apples and oranges. The main difference is in competition, who are totally incomparable. We can only compare rosters and Euroleague powerhouses have much better rosters than Slovenia.

hey no problem. if you dont agree that means you also think the eurobasket is LEVELS BELOW the euroleague and euro cup.

just to make it clear

This years Eurobasket was, not levels, but below Euroleague in quality. If all the best players from Nba were there, the story would have been different. But they weren’t. Look at the final. Only Dragic was Nba player at that moment. There were some Euroleague players and many who are playing in lower tier competitions.

[DryPaint]

i would say it was on the same level as euroleague. one word: ZALGIRIS.

in each case the mirotic statement (eurobasket was level below the euroleague and EUROCUP) is just a pure joke. thats my point

[Bob8]

i would say it was on the same level as euroleague. one word: ZALGIRIS.

in each case the mirotic statement (eurobasket was level below the euroleague and EUROCUP) is just a pure joke. thats my point

I said that Mirotic12 statement is an exaggeration. Zalgiris was in F4 only because of total meltdown by Olympiacos. They were something like 2/9 in last games. And you cannot count game for 3rd place, because motivation in that game is almost 0 for powerhouses, who lost semis.

[DryPaint]

i would say it was on the same level as euroleague. one word: ZALGIRIS.

in each case the mirotic statement (eurobasket was level below the euroleague and EUROCUP) is just a pure joke. thats my point

I said that Mirotic12 statement is an exaggeration. Zalgiris was in F4 only because of total meltdown by Olympiacos. They were something like 2/9 in last games. And you cannot count game for 3rd place, because motivation in that game is almost 0 for powerhouses, who lost semis.

then we agree? mirotic statement was dumb?

[Bob8]

i would say it was on the same level as euroleague. one word: ZALGIRIS.

in each case the mirotic statement (eurobasket was level below the euroleague and EUROCUP) is just a pure joke. thats my point

I said that Mirotic12 statement is an exaggeration. Zalgiris was in F4 only because of total meltdown by Olympiacos. They were something like 2/9 in last games. And you cannot count game for 3rd place, because motivation in that game is almost 0 for powerhouses, who lost semis.

then we agree? mirotic statement was dumb?

an exaggeration. and I said that in my first post.

[DryPaint]

I said that Mirotic12 statement is an exaggeration. Zalgiris was in F4 only because of total meltdown by Olympiacos. They were something like 2/9 in last games. And you cannot count game for 3rd place, because motivation in that game is almost 0 for powerhouses, who lost semis.

then we agree? mirotic statement was dumb?

an exaggeration. and I said that in my first post.

A JOKE, in case: (mirotic style" if you ever watched a game of basketball in your life" )

[lavta]

Game 3: http://damirmrsicstan.blogspot.com/2018/06/luka-doncic-vs-baskonia-17062018-real.html

About 1800 words and 34 plays if you'd like to know beforehand.

I'll try to publish game 4 before the draft too, if I could. In case I cannot do it before the draft, I'll share my view on where he shoudl go.

Seems like Ayton is 1st. And Doncic's range is 2-5 as he will not slip past Dallas. I would prefer him to go to Kings because I like Kings as an outside equalizer effect in our rivalry with Real. I mean:

2015 - Real Madrid kick Fener's ass in F4 and become EL champions in Madrid
2016 - Fener sweeps Real in playoffs and lose EL final to CSKA
2017- Fener beats Real in F4 and becomes EL champion in Istanbul as the regular season #5 seed, loses best offensive player to Kings in the offseason
2018 - Real beats Fener in EL final & gets the EL title as the regular season #5 seed, hopefully loses the best offensive player to Kings in the offseason.

I really think Kings is the best fit though. I have no idea how will new Hawks front office and coaching staff will work but their roster construction is very poor and if not poor, then it's simply empty. Even if the FO and coaching staff could turn out to be great fits, the lack of assets will simply mean loss of Doncic's early prime. I don't see that team constructing a meaningful roster before Doncic's rookie contract ends at the earliest.

Memphis might not be a bad fit roster-wise but there are questions with how many great years Conley and Gasol have now and will they stay? Coaching staff is pretty subpar and FO is terrible on top of it. I really think Memphis is the worst place out of all 4.

Dallas would be great. FO, coaching, etc. amazing fits. Only issue is Harrison Barnes and DSJ are terrible fits. I still see Mavs as the 2nd best destination for Doncic out of 2-5 range.

Joerger's offense not being too reliant on a primary initiator is good, Kings FO making decent moves after the horrible 76ers trade & Papagiannis pick is good, ownership influence on FO is bad. But I think roster fit is pretty great. De'Aaron Fox has shown to be a capable off-ball player, which I can't say at all about DSJ in Dallas. And it's not like Fox relies on PnR ball handler creation in his game all that much. I just think he's an awesome fit with their roster, coaching fit is pretty good even if Joerger isn't Carlisle, and Bogdanovic, Peja and Divac's presence are all positives that no non-Phoenix team has in the lottery in terms of off-court adaptation.

Kings will choose between Bagley and Doncic, it seems like. If Kings pick Bagley, I think Memphis picks Doncic. That's why I'd like to see Kings picking him. In reality fit, opportunity and the franchise are much more important than talent in terms of Euroball to NBA translations. However, Doncic isn't the type of a prospect that it matters too much where he goes. I think he'll be the player he is more or less in all 4 places. But that doesn't mean some places aren't a bit better destinations than others.

And I'm not joking, literally the biggest reason I want to see Kings picking him is to be able to experience Real losing their best offensive player to Sacramento Kings after winning the Euroleague. It's only fair, isn't it?

That shows how insignificant where he goes, really. He fits all 30 teams. But his destination still matters a little. And I'd prefer Kings > Mavs > Hawks > Grizzlies in order, if I were him.

Where does his season rank internationally in terms of success and personal accolades?

European champion with Slovenia
Euroleague champion with Real
ACB champion with Real

Euroleague regular and final 4 MVP
ACB regular season MVP

That is crazy for any player let alone an 18/19 year old.

Has any player ever had this kind of team success and individual awards?

In terms of silverware and personal accolades? In just one season? Then, no player has ever done it.

The Eurobasket vs Euroleague is a silly debate. Like in most other sports, club teams play better due to years of roster construction that isn't luck, months of practices, countless games, thicker playbook, being used to playing with each other more, having actual systems that don't last for a month on both ends of the floor. I do think, top Eurobasket teams could beat low end Euroleague teams like Efes, Milano, etc. though. It's also comical to suggest that all Euroleague teams are more talented than all Eurobasket teams. That's not the case at all. If it is suggested that all EL teams are deeper, that's reasonable at least. The reason Euroleague teams show better execution and higher level of quality in competition isn't due to talent at all. Put Slovenia, Serbia, etc. around the end of the Eurobasket against Euroleague teams in mid-November, they'd be easy favorites to win against any.

[DryPaint]

I really think Kings is the best fit though. I have no idea how will new Hawks front office and coaching staff will work but their roster construction is very poor and if not poor, then it's simply empty. Even if the FO and coaching staff could turn out to be great fits, the lack of assets will simply mean loss of Doncic's early prime. I don't see that team constructing a meaningful roster before Doncic's rookie contract ends at the earliest.

Memphis might not be a bad fit roster-wise but there are questions with how many great years Conley and Gasol have now and will they stay? Coaching staff is pretty subpar and FO is terrible on top of it. I really think Memphis is the worst place out of all 4.

Dallas would be great. FO, coaching, etc. amazing fits. Only issue is Harrison Barnes and DSJ are terrible fits. I still see Mavs as the 2nd best destination for Doncic out of 2-5 range.

if you discount memphis because he could win with them now, and dive into a semi winning culture (a regular in the playofs for the past decade), and play the sf starting spot right away i cant agree.

you believe the kings have a future in the current roster? fox, hield, bogdanovic, doncic all in that guard spots together for multiple years? no way jose.

dallas outside of dirk (for that 1 year he would hobble up and down the coart with luka) and the coach, is a terrible fit. their cornerstones of the future are both playing his spots: barnes his primary spot, and smith jr his secondary spot. whats good about that longterm?

i wont even talk about the hawks as they just began sucking so it will take more then a couple of years to stop that.

as far as playing in a decent enviroment, with established players who wouldnt schratch their eyes out for playing minutes if winning is at stake, then memphis of the top 5 is the best spot for him. the suns, kings, mavs, are still figuring out the "whos young players team is it" part out. and outside of stat padding, that is not a cool enviroment to play in, and the opposite of what doncic was about at madrid.

[agentofatlas]

I really think Kings is the best fit though. I have no idea how will new Hawks front office and coaching staff will work but their roster construction is very poor and if not poor, then it's simply empty. Even if the FO and coaching staff could turn out to be great fits, the lack of assets will simply mean loss of Doncic's early prime. I don't see that team constructing a meaningful roster before Doncic's rookie contract ends at the earliest.

Memphis might not be a bad fit roster-wise but there are questions with how many great years Conley and Gasol have now and will they stay? Coaching staff is pretty subpar and FO is terrible on top of it. I really think Memphis is the worst place out of all 4.

Dallas would be great. FO, coaching, etc. amazing fits. Only issue is Harrison Barnes and DSJ are terrible fits. I still see Mavs as the 2nd best destination for Doncic out of 2-5 range.

if you discount memphis because he could win with them now, and dive into a semi winning culture (a regular in the playofs for the past decade), and play the sf starting spot right away i cant agree.

you believe the kings have a future in the current roster? fox, hield, bogdanovic, doncic all in that guard spots together for multiple years? no way jose.

dallas outside of dirk (for that 1 year he would hobble up and down the coart with luka) and the coach, is a terrible fit. their cornerstones of the future are both playing his spots: barnes his primary spot, and smith jr his secondary spot. whats good about that longterm?

i wont even talk about the hawks as they just began sucking so it will take more then a couple of years to stop that.

as far as playing in a decent enviroment, with established players who wouldnt schratch their eyes out for playing minutes if winning is at stake, then memphis of the top 5 is the best spot for him. the suns, kings, mavs, are still figuring out the "whos young players team is it" part out. and outside of stat padding, that is not a cool enviroment to play in, and the opposite of what doncic was about at madrid.

As a Dallas fan, I actually really like the fit. Plus the Mavs have so little talent that they need all the help they can get.

Also I don't Barnes is not what I consider a corner stone. More of a transition player. Only DSJ is a keeper in the roster and even with that I don't think he is that great a talent that you have to cater your draft to fit him.

[GoGreen]

You know who I thought were poor athletes that wouldn't amount to much at the next level?

Jayson Tatum and Jamaal Murray.

These young men have proven me dead wrong. They can play in the NBA, and in Jaysons case, he might even be able to dominate. I watch Luka and see that type of athleticism. Nothing explosive or shocking, but smart, smooth with good footwork and handles. I think he'll be a lot of fun to watch in the NBA.

[DryPaint]

I really think Kings is the best fit though. I have no idea how will new Hawks front office and coaching staff will work but their roster construction is very poor and if not poor, then it's simply empty. Even if the FO and coaching staff could turn out to be great fits, the lack of assets will simply mean loss of Doncic's early prime. I don't see that team constructing a meaningful roster before Doncic's rookie contract ends at the earliest.

Memphis might not be a bad fit roster-wise but there are questions with how many great years Conley and Gasol have now and will they stay? Coaching staff is pretty subpar and FO is terrible on top of it. I really think Memphis is the worst place out of all 4.

Dallas would be great. FO, coaching, etc. amazing fits. Only issue is Harrison Barnes and DSJ are terrible fits. I still see Mavs as the 2nd best destination for Doncic out of 2-5 range.

if you discount memphis because he could win with them now, and dive into a semi winning culture (a regular in the playofs for the past decade), and play the sf starting spot right away i cant agree.

you believe the kings have a future in the current roster? fox, hield, bogdanovic, doncic all in that guard spots together for multiple years? no way jose.

dallas outside of dirk (for that 1 year he would hobble up and down the coart with luka) and the coach, is a terrible fit. their cornerstones of the future are both playing his spots: barnes his primary spot, and smith jr his secondary spot. whats good about that longterm?

i wont even talk about the hawks as they just began sucking so it will take more then a couple of years to stop that.

as far as playing in a decent enviroment, with established players who wouldnt schratch their eyes out for playing minutes if winning is at stake, then memphis of the top 5 is the best spot for him. the suns, kings, mavs, are still figuring out the "whos young players team is it" part out. and outside of stat padding, that is not a cool enviroment to play in, and the opposite of what doncic was about at madrid.

As a Dallas fan, I actually really like the fit. Plus the Mavs have so little talent that they need all the help they can get.

Also I don't Barnes is not what I consider a corner stone. More of a transition player. Only DSJ is a keeper in the roster and even with that I don't think he is that great a talent that you have to cater your draft to fit him.

i agree with everything you wrote. but if you by great fit mean that 90% of the team is bad and he would be more then a welcome addition and that anyone good would be a fit. then yes, he is a great fit in atlanta, the suns, the kings, mavs and memphis.

if by great fit you mean, he gets to a team, who has his position to play right away, and great pieces who are used to winning and still produce, then memphis is the one.

he is not a great fit in sacramento as they are young perimeter guys heavy, plus their bigs are also inexperienced. the mavs this year are not a good fit. even if barnes is gone in a few, but he is still here this year and probably next season also.

[DryPaint]

You know who I thought were poor athletes that wouldn't amount to much at the next level?

Jayson Tatum and Jamaal Murray.

These young men have proven me dead wrong. They can play in the NBA, and in Jaysons case, he might even be able to dominate. I watch Luka and see that type of athleticism. Nothing explosive or shocking, but smart, smooth with good footwork and handles. I think he'll be a lot of fun to watch in the NBA.

this and similar clips show how cat quick fast, agile, wide framed and long tatum is. plus very very good with the ball. between tatum and doncic as far as quickness and length goes, there is a big gap. plus he can handle it at least as good as doncic without a doubt.

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[agentofatlas]

if you discount memphis because he could win with them now, and dive into a semi winning culture (a regular in the playofs for the past decade), and play the sf starting spot right away i cant agree.

you believe the kings have a future in the current roster? fox, hield, bogdanovic, doncic all in that guard spots together for multiple years? no way jose.

dallas outside of dirk (for that 1 year he would hobble up and down the coart with luka) and the coach, is a terrible fit. their cornerstones of the future are both playing his spots: barnes his primary spot, and smith jr his secondary spot. whats good about that longterm?

i wont even talk about the hawks as they just began sucking so it will take more then a couple of years to stop that.

as far as playing in a decent enviroment, with established players who wouldnt schratch their eyes out for playing minutes if winning is at stake, then memphis of the top 5 is the best spot for him. the suns, kings, mavs, are still figuring out the "whos young players team is it" part out. and outside of stat padding, that is not a cool enviroment to play in, and the opposite of what doncic was about at madrid.

As a Dallas fan, I actually really like the fit. Plus the Mavs have so little talent that they need all the help they can get.

Also I don't Barnes is not what I consider a corner stone. More of a transition player. Only DSJ is a keeper in the roster and even with that I don't think he is that great a talent that you have to cater your draft to fit him.

i agree with everything you wrote. but if you by great fit mean that 90% of the team is bad and he would be more then a welcome addition and that anyone good would be a fit. then yes, he is a great fit in atlanta, the suns, the kings, mavs and memphis.

if by great fit you mean, he gets to a team, who has his position to play right away, and great pieces who are used to winning and still produce, then memphis is the one.

he is not a great fit in sacramento as they are young perimeter guys heavy, plus their bigs are also inexperienced. the mavs this year are not a good fit. even if barnes is gone in a few, but he is still here this year and probably next season also.

I just have to disagree man. He's a great fit for us simply because he will have a defined role from day 1. He has no comp in the lineup. I mean you've probably watched some Mavs games. You know what RC is about.

[GoGreen]

You know who I thought were poor athletes that wouldn't amount to much at the next level?

Jayson Tatum and Jamaal Murray.

These young men have proven me dead wrong. They can play in the NBA, and in Jaysons case, he might even be able to dominate. I watch Luka and see that type of athleticism. Nothing explosive or shocking, but smart, smooth with good footwork and handles. I think he'll be a lot of fun to watch in the NBA.

this and similar clips show how cat quick fast, agile, wide framed and long tatum is. plus very very good with the ball. between tatum and doncic as far as quickness and length goes, there is a big gap. plus he can handle it at least as good as doncic without a doubt.

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Well yes, but this is high school. Luka is going against grown men and the second best league in the world doing what he's doing. I've watched plenty of Tatum in college and the pros. And like I said, Murray as well. If they can be successful, I see no reason why Luka can't.

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http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/mac-engel/article213547294.html

Someone around here is going to be very unhappy..