[2018] - DRAFT NIGHT THREAD! Currently #9, #36

[3toheadmelo]

For Doncic? I'd trade Ntilikina and next year's pick. He's THAT good.

no way jose. doncic not even the best player of this draft...

i aint givin up next year's pick and we miss out on nas

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Hopefully these highlights aren't indicative of his skillset, because the only thing I got from that video is that he's a good athlete. Aside from that, he doesn't come close to what Luka could do at that age.

lol the vid clearly showed he can defend anyone with that 7'2 wingspan and is a damn good scorer....not sure what you watched.

the knicks are gonna be terrible next year. i rather us get mikal and nas next year insteead of just getting doncic alone. and also keeping frank in the process. giving up the farm for doncic is not worth it. yall actin like doncic is bust proof too. nobody is safe in this draft.

[Mecca]

where are all these knox and paul george/tatum comparisons coming from. Both those other players had creativity with the rock and ISO ability. Knox basiaclly only scores off of screens and off ball movement.

Tobias Harris comp makes the most sense...and that doesn't thrill me.

Givony said he got same vibe with Knox as he did with PG13 In pre draft workouts.

i don't see where he is seeing it.

PG13 was pegged as a true swingman. big 2 guard or SF type. Knox is much of a slower plodding SF with the potential to play small ball 4 if he actually learns how to rebound.

But the athleticism/defensive ability in both are huge disparities. Just an idea of PG13 athleticism coming out of school he was pegged that he could defend 1-3...knox really is pegged as someone that can defends 3's and maybe some 4's.

The only comp between there games is both were pretty passive players in college and PG13 did develop a killer instinct over time which I guess Knox can as well. But there actual game and impact on the floor couldn't be anymore different.

He’s talking about how Knox looked so much better than the tape and consensus than they anticipated prior to workouts. Not necessarily play style.

He actually has a little Rip Hamilton to his game to be honest.

[reub]

The most promising players in the draft according to Nate Silver:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-most-promising-players-in-the-nba-draft-according-to-my-computer/

He leaves Doncic and Porter off because he can't compare their numbers to the others.

7-10 are Knox, SGA, Sexton and Zhaire Smith.

[SmoothLefty21]

I'm ready for Knox. His tools are exciting and despite the fact that I hate drafting guys with suspect motors and defensive deficiencies I'm all aboard. This kid can become the perfect stretch 4 to play alongside KP once we force his ass to the 5 lol.

[E-Balla]

I'm just saying there's a player that damn near beat a ranked team 3 on 5 and y'all talking about trading up for a C that got killed 1 on 1 in his biggest games.

Only in 2018 would a PG that could win 3 on 5 and drag his team to the NCAA Tourney not be a top 5 pick.

[newyorker4ever]

with KP being out half the year, WE HAVE TO TANK *RIGHT* NEXT YEAR. that means next year's pick is absolutely untouchable. and if that means no doncic, then that means no doncic. hopefully this teaches our front office what happens when you don't tank correctly.

I hope every time S.Perry or S.Mills makes any calls to teams about moving up in this draft and are shocked by what teams want that they think about how all they had to do last year was tank the last few weeks of the season and they could already be sitting in the top 5 without having to trade a damn thing to get one of these legit big guys or L.Doncic.

except getting a whole coaching staff and a whole team of players (most who are fighting for a roster spot anywhere) to lose on purpose isnt a real thing.

They only need one guy to help the tank and that would of been JH, tell him to play the young guys big minutes so not only are you lowering the chances of winning but you're getting needed minutes to the young guys. You don't even have to use the word tank to JH, just tell him you want to see what the young kids can do.

[thebuzzardman]

no way jose. doncic not even the best player of this draft...

i aint givin up next year's pick and we miss out on nas

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Hopefully these highlights aren't indicative of his skillset, because the only thing I got from that video is that he's a good athlete. Aside from that, he doesn't come close to what Luka could do at that age.

lol the vid clearly showed he can defend anyone with that 7'2 wingspan and is a damn good scorer....not sure what you watched.

the knicks are gonna be terrible next year. i rather us get mikal and nas next year insteead of just getting doncic alone. and also keeping frank in the process. giving up the farm for doncic is not worth it. yall actin like doncic is bust proof too. nobody is safe in this draft.

So this guy will be available at 8 -10? Because that's where the Knicks will be picking.

It takes talent but Fiz is >>>>>>Jefe/Rambis and that's 5 wins right there. Kind of offsets KP's wins. Plus the Knicks don't know how to tank.

[Jstock12]

no way jose. doncic not even the best player of this draft...

i aint givin up next year's pick and we miss out on nas

Watch on YouTube

Hopefully these highlights aren't indicative of his skillset, because the only thing I got from that video is that he's a good athlete. Aside from that, he doesn't come close to what Luka could do at that age.

lol the vid clearly showed he can defend anyone with that 7'2 wingspan and is a damn good scorer....not sure what you watched.

the knicks are gonna be terrible next year. i rather us get mikal and nas next year insteead of just getting doncic alone. and also keeping frank in the process. giving up the farm for doncic is not worth it. yall actin like doncic is bust proof too. nobody is safe in this draft.

Yeah I got that he's got the tools to be a good defensive player (but locking down a few high-schoolers doesn't guarantee anything). But in this particular video, there wasn't much to suggest that he's a 'damn good scorer'. At least for me.

[3toheadmelo]

no way jose. doncic not even the best player of this draft...

i aint givin up next year's pick and we miss out on nas

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Hopefully these highlights aren't indicative of his skillset, because the only thing I got from that video is that he's a good athlete. Aside from that, he doesn't come close to what Luka could do at that age.

Nas is definitely a high level prospect (Melo, I’m working on his scouting video, actually), but Luka is in a tier unto himself. Best SG prospect I’ve ever seen.

we'll see. but giving up frank and next year's pick just for doncic..... im not down for that. we need to stack up on talent. frank + nas + mikal + KP on D is too good to pass up on.

[Cookies4Life]

Memphis has to be trying to retool since they owe Conley and Gasol about 60 million a year for the next few seasons. Also, in order to dump Parsons, the salaries would have to match:

Hardaway Jr, Lee, 9th and 36th pick for 4th pick and Parsons.

If push comes to shove, I'd throw an unprotected 2020 1st rounder but only if Doncic is still available. The Knicks should hopefully be a playoff bound team by than.

You're giving up too much there. Parsons alone is worth a #1 pick, so you keep #36 plus next year's too.
#9, Lee, Lance plus $5 million for #4 and Parsons makes more sense.

I actually think that's fair value for both teams. I'd REALLY like to avoid giving up a 2020 1st rounder, but if Doncic is available he just seems too good of a fit alongside Frank and Kristaps. That could be the core of this squad for the next decade.

Memphis still wants to be a playoff level team; adding a 25 year old Hardaway and a serviceable veteran like Lee would be a good coup for them. They can add a ready-to-go NBA player like Mikal at the 9th slot and be playoff bound for the next couple seasons.

If they weren't locked into Gasol and Conley for 60 million annually, they'd be better off just holding the pick. They can't afford to be lottery bound next year given the makeup of their roster.

I personally don't like Hardaway at all- especially at that contract- but he's definitely an upgrade to Parsons and is squarely in his prime.

[Mecca]

Get ready for your 2019 Knicks:
Kyrie - Burke
Frank - THJ
Little - Dotson
Knox - Wagner
KP

That’s winning 50 games in its sleep

[TheGreenArrow]

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Embrace it bro!!!!!

[newyorker4ever]

with KP being out half the year, WE HAVE TO TANK *RIGHT* NEXT YEAR. that means next year's pick is absolutely untouchable. and if that means no doncic, then that means no doncic. hopefully this teaches our front office what happens when you don't tank correctly.

I hope every time S.Perry or S.Mills makes any calls to teams about moving up in this draft and are shocked by what teams want that they think about how all they had to do last year was tank the last few weeks of the season and they could already be sitting in the top 5 without having to trade a damn thing to get one of these legit big guys or L.Doncic.

The Knicks only won 7 games after KP went down.

This narrative that the Knicks tried to win until the bitter end needs to stop.

So they didn't try to win every game? I'm pretty sure they did.

[SmoothLefty21]

The most promising players in the draft according to Nate Silver:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-most-promising-players-in-the-nba-draft-according-to-my-computer/

He leaves Doncic and Porter off because he can't compare their numbers to the others.

7-10 are Knox, SGA, Sexton and Zhaire Smith.

Not exactly flattering comps for Zhaire Smith lol.

[Br00kLyn]

How does a trade like that work? I mean keeping 9, but trading up to 4 also.

You know, other teams are just dying to give us their top 5 picks for absolutely nothing in return. They just want to see knicks fans happy for a change

I think we are underestimating the value of taking on an albatross contract like Parsons to a small market team like Memphis, I wouldn't consider a future first and players to be nothing in return.

I think you are underestimating the value of the #4 pick in a strong draft with potential franchise changing players. If I am Memphis i want a haul for that pick or dont call me. I will deal with Parsons contract for 2 more years rather than losing out on a possible young star

[E-Balla]

The most promising players in the draft according to Nate Silver:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-most-promising-players-in-the-nba-draft-according-to-my-computer/

He leaves Doncic and Porter off because he can't compare their numbers to the others.

7-10 are Knox, SGA, Sexton and Zhaire Smith.

"One thing you see is that CARMELO is extremely deferential to the scout rankings — more so than other systems that use similar data, such as Pelton’s system or the Stats & Info system."

Kinda makes the whole idea of a statistical comparison useless doesn't it? Every other model has Knox outside the top 10 because his actual production was trash. I'm sure 100% of models with no scout rankings included would have him completely out the lotto. He's not good at basketball which is the #1 thing you want in an NBA player I'd think.

[GONYK]

I hope every time S.Perry or S.Mills makes any calls to teams about moving up in this draft and are shocked by what teams want that they think about how all they had to do last year was tank the last few weeks of the season and they could already be sitting in the top 5 without having to trade a damn thing to get one of these legit big guys or L.Doncic.

The Knicks only won 7 games after KP went down.

This narrative that the Knicks tried to win until the bitter end needs to stop.

So they didn't try to win every game? I'm pretty sure they did.

How does a team of professionals try to lose?

You want to be mad at someone, be mad at KP for being too dominant at the beginning of the season.

Again, we only won 7 games after he went down.

[Mecca]

Get ready for your 2019 Knicks:
Kyrie - Burke
Frank - THJ
Little - Dotson
Knox - Wagner
KP

That’s winning 50 games in its sleep

4/5 starting lineup drafted lotto picks. THIS is what we suffer for. Kyrie coming at age 26 to put cherry on top. That’s a 3 seed in the East potentially.

[E-Balla]

If we take Knox I might have to stop following the NBA for a while.

[JBreezeNY]

no way jose. doncic not even the best player of this draft...

i aint givin up next year's pick and we miss out on nas

Watch on YouTube

Hopefully these highlights aren't indicative of his skillset, because the only thing I got from that video is that he's a good athlete. Aside from that, he doesn't come close to what Luka could do at that age.

Nas is definitely a high level prospect (Melo, I’m working on his scouting video, actually), but Luka is in a tier unto himself. Best SG prospect I’ve ever seen.

Haven’t been on here that much to see your posts on the matter but what’s your thoughts on trading up for Luka?

Get him at all costs? Be conservative? Forget about it?