Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI

[nate33]

Something like Gortat and a 2nd rounder for Jared Dudley could make sense.

No way any reasonable team takes Gortat and a 2nd unless they can throw a bad contract back.

In the deal I propose, Phoenix is making a significant upgrade from Dudley (an all but useless player at this point) to Gortat (an above-average backup center or below-average starting center) and they're getting a 2nd round pick in the deal, and it only costs them the $4M difference in salary. Meanshile, that $4M in cap savings saves Ted $4M in payroll costs plus $7M in luxtax fees.

Heck the Wizards could throw in $4M in cash to pay for the salary differential and it still makes sense.

[FAH1223]

Something like Gortat and a 2nd rounder for Jared Dudley could make sense.

No way any reasonable team takes Gortat and a 2nd unless they can throw a bad contract back.

In the deal I propose, Phoenix is making a significant upgrade from Dudley (an all but useless player at this point) to Gortat (an above-average backup center or below-average starting center) and they're getting a 2nd round pick in the deal, and it only costs them the $4M difference in salary. Meanshile, that $4M in cap savings saves Ted $4M in payroll costs plus $7M in luxtax fees.

Heck the Wizards could throw in $4M in cash to pay for the salary differential and it still makes sense.

I'd rather use some of the cash to get another 2nd...

[nate33]

No way any reasonable team takes Gortat and a 2nd unless they can throw a bad contract back.

In the deal I propose, Phoenix is making a significant upgrade from Dudley (an all but useless player at this point) to Gortat (an above-average backup center or below-average starting center) and they're getting a 2nd round pick in the deal, and it only costs them the $4M difference in salary. Meanshile, that $4M in cap savings saves Ted $4M in payroll costs plus $7M in luxtax fees.

Heck the Wizards could throw in $4M in cash to pay for the salary differential and it still makes sense.

I'd rather use some of the cash to get another 2nd...

Well, so would I. But it's not our $11M that's at stake.

[Error Afflalo]

IF you feel that chemistry and talent aren't there to move further and you need to retool, Beal is the one that should be traded, not Porter.

WHY? (a) Beal's value right now is as high as it's going to get. Wall's supermax makes him close to untradeable and Porter may have another gear if he's given more responsibility but Beal is very valuable. Thus we could get considerably more.

WHO? Although I've never been a fan, Cousins seems like the obvious target. You don't want someone who is here for a year then out so if Cousins checks out physically (a big if!), send Beal for Cousins. And, because Beal's value is appreciably higher, you should be able to unload Ernie's mistakes and get back decent role players to fill in around Wall/Porter/Cousins.

Beal, Mahinmi, Smith for Cousins (max), Etwaun Moore, Solomon Hill. New Orleans will have to work something out for a SF and there's a bit of a big glut for them but the value may be too good for them to pass up a Holiday/Beal/Davis core. For us it would look like:

Cousins/Gortat
Morris/(Porter)/Scott?
Porter/Oubre
Moore/Satoransky/Meeks
Wall/Satoransky/Frazier?

Give Sato and Oubre a chance to win a starting role (either Moore or Morris could move to the bench). As I said, not convinced Cousins is nearly as good as his numbers say, but this it's a high risk/high reward type of situation.

Any deal suggesting we send Beal or Porter in a S&T for a guy with a torn achillies will certainly speed up the tear down process for the next rebuild.

The desire to acquire Cousins also ignores the shifting dynamic of the game to needing mobile bigs to be able to switch and defend on the perimeter. Cousins couldn't do this before he got hurt.

Agreed. Even if there weren't serious injury and chemistry issues with Cousins, the style of play issue you mentioned is enough to scare you off. If we're parting with Beal I'd much rather roll the dice on a Kawhi deal.

[badinage]

It’s too bad that this franchise doesn’t have bold leadership.

It’s too bad that ERR-nie is at the helm.

Because what makes so much sense right now is to think grandly.

Say, a trade of Porter, Oubre Jr., and the #15 for Kawhi Leonard.

Who, yes, wants to be in LA next year — but hear me out.

A squad of Wall, Beal, and Kawhi has got to look pretty attractive to Lebron James.

Would Kawhi be compelled to stay, if that were the case?

That team would have switchability up the wazoo. It would have shooting and spacing. It would have toughness. It would have versatility.

Add in some role playing bigs and an extra combo guard and it would have an excellent chance of winning the East.

[80sballboy]

It’s too bad that this franchise doesn’t have bold leadership.

It’s too bad that ERR-nie is at the helm.

Because what makes so much sense right now is to think grandly.

Say, a trade of Porter, Oubre Jr., and the #15 for Kawhi Leonard.

Who, yes, wants to be in LA next year — but hear me out.

A squad of Wall, Beal, and Kawhi has got to look pretty attractive to Lebron James.

Would Kawhi be compelled to stay, if that were the case?

That team would have switchability up the wazoo. It would have shooting and spacing. It would have toughness. It would have versatility.

Add in some role playing bigs and an extra combo guard and it would have an excellent chance of winning the East.

Kawhi wants a super-max deal and has a player option for 2019. He's not accepting $21M for the 2019-20 season. What's the point of getting him for one year and how the hell are you going to afford LeBron's supermax with Wall, Beal, and Kawhi. You can't have him and Wall on the same roster making about 80 million combined in one season and then add Beal and you are about at the cap. Cheap Ted is not willing to do anything to win.

[MarcoPolo]

Gortat says he's 99% sure he'll get traded soon. "The decision has been made by the front office." Says he's anticipating a move to the Western Conference within a couple of days.

From the polish press, where he says he is expecting that FO is going to move him this off-season, but he still unsure which team is going to be involved. Decision made due to the fact that despite being constant Play-Off team no further improvement was made by the team.


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Probable it will happen within next few days up to maximum a month, he is not expecting that they will move him to a team in the same conference.

Polish press article, butremeber that Google doesnt translate things often correctly.
http://www.gazetakrakowska.pl/sport/a/marcin-gortat-musi-pogodzic-sie-ze-zmiana-klubu-odejdzie-z-washington-wizards,13278392/

[Dark Faze]

the salary ramification of bringing in DAJ just seem impossible for the team to deal with it, I don't see it

What I hope: Gortat and #44 for #33.

[nate33]

I really hope that Gortat trade doesn't involve us dumping the pick just to save salary. I could live with sacrificing a 2nd to dump him. And I could live with trading down from #15 to maybe #20 or so. But if we're giving up the #15 completely just to dump a contract, it better damn well be Mahinmi's contract.

[nate33]

the salary ramification of bringing in DAJ just seem impossible for the team to deal with it, I don't see it

Yeah, that DAJ reference was back at the deadline. That doesn't seem to be the right move at this point.

[NatP4]

Add the pelicans to this of teams apparently.

Pelicans, Suns, Mavs, Clippers. Most likely to happen tonight.

[Wizardspride]

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[Dark Faze]

Add the pelicans to this of teams apparently.

Pelicans, Suns, Mavs, Clippers. Most likely to happen tonight.

That's a strange mix of teams with picks all over the place.

My first thought is that it doesn't smell like a trade down. All those teams could have cause for wanting Gortat to a degree. Cautiously optimistic that this is us trying to get an asset.

[NatP4]

Add the pelicans to this of teams apparently.

Pelicans, Suns, Mavs, Clippers. Most likely to happen tonight.

That's a strange mix of teams with picks all over the place.

My first thought is that it doesn't smell like a trade down. All those teams could have cause for wanting Gortat to a degree. Cautiously optimistic that this is us trying to get an asset.

Blind squirrel finds nut?

Definitely doesn’t smell like a trade down, probably more likely a 2nd rounder attached from us.

[nate33]

Add the pelicans to this of teams apparently.

Pelicans, Suns, Mavs, Clippers. Most likely to happen tonight.

This is a bit troubling.

Looking at the Pelicans' roster, I don't see why they'd have any interest at all in Gortat the player. The only rationale is that they're absorbing Gortat as payment for buying our #15 pick. I still don't see how they do it capwise. At best, they trade us Ajinca for Gortat. They would need to absorb another $8M in salary though. They have a bit of cap room, but not that much.

[Dark Faze]

Scary thought: #15 and Gortat for Marquiss Chris and Dragan Bender

plsno

[NatP4]

Add the pelicans to this of teams apparently.

Pelicans, Suns, Mavs, Clippers. Most likely to happen tonight.

This is a bit troubling.

Looking at the Pelicans' roster, I don't see why they'd have any interest at all in Gortat the player. The only rationale is that they're absorbing Gortat as payment for buying our #15 pick. I still don't see how they do it capwise. At best, they trade us Ajinca for Gortat. They would need to absorb another $8M in salary though. They have a bit of cap room, but not that much.

I believe something like Ajinca+Miller works, it would give them a quality backup C behind AD. Gives us the breathing room we need. That’s the type of trade I’m expecting

[nate33]

The Gortat trade I hope for is one where we send him out and get back a totally crappy player with a smaller contract, and we don't have to give up a pick in the process (because the other team is upgrading from said crappy player to Gortat - a serviceable starting center or very good backup). Something like Gortat to Phoenix for Dudley is what I had in mind. It saves us $4M.

The biggest problem with the concept is that we'd have to find an under-the-cap team to make it work. And generally, under-the-cap teams aren't going to be interested in adding a 34-year-old Gortat for one year.

Another option would be to combine Gortat with Meeks and Jason Smith and send them out for a crappy expiring contract while maximizing the 125% salary differential permitted by the CBA. If we send out those 3 contracts, that's a combined salary of $21.2M, we can make it work while taking back only $16.5M or so. I'm having trouble finding a team to match though.

[Dark Faze]

Add the pelicans to this of teams apparently.

Pelicans, Suns, Mavs, Clippers. Most likely to happen tonight.

This is a bit troubling.

Looking at the Pelicans' roster, I don't see why they'd have any interest at all in Gortat the player. The only rationale is that they're absorbing Gortat as payment for buying our #15 pick. I still don't see how they do it capwise. At best, they trade us Ajinca for Gortat. They would need to absorb another $8M in salary though. They have a bit of cap room, but not that much.

I believe something like Ajinca+Miller works, it would give them a quality backup C behind AD. Gives us the breathing room we need. That’s the type of trade I’m expecting

Pels still need to include something like 6+ million in salary for the deal to go through and there's not a realistic contract on the roster that they have to achieve that.

[NatP4]

This is a bit troubling.

Looking at the Pelicans' roster, I don't see why they'd have any interest at all in Gortat the player. The only rationale is that they're absorbing Gortat as payment for buying our #15 pick. I still don't see how they do it capwise. At best, they trade us Ajinca for Gortat. They would need to absorb another $8M in salary though. They have a bit of cap room, but not that much.

I believe something like Ajinca+Miller works, it would give them a quality backup C behind AD. Gives us the breathing room we need. That’s the type of trade I’m expecting

Pels still need to include something like 6+ million in salary for the deal to go through and there's not a realistic contract on the roster that they have to achieve that.

They should have almost enough actual cap space to make that uneven deal. Basketball ref says they will have about 4 million in space, but yeah, they aren’t sending us Diallo or Frank Jackson. Maybe a trade exception type of thing?