[2018] - DRAFT NIGHT THREAD! Currently #9, #36

[mpharris36]

Like women you think one girl is the best, she is the girl you want to be with. There is this other girl that aiight, you settling for the second girl or you shooting your shot at your favorite?

Then the girl you thought was the best ends up **** your friends, runs a coordinated gaslighting campaign to make you think you're going crazy, and suddenly decides to stop speaking to you after 15 years for reasons never provided.

What were we talking about again? Right, the draft. I'm just saying, sometimes things can shake up differently than you initially suspect. I'd choose Mikal as well in this situation. This Knicks **** is why I have a BAF team to play with.

[GEOLINK]

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[NBA Fan 1234]

I'm not a college ball expert but really spent the last 5 hours scouring the internet for scouting reports, compilations of strengths/weaknesses and various interviews and I came up with this:

Knox: Soft, poor handles, low basketball IQ, poor efficiency, not good defender

Mikal Bridges: Efficient, consistent, high IQ, good defender, limited offensively

Trae Young: versatile offensively, impressive court vision, below average efficiency, small, terrible defensively

Sexton: Explosive, gets to the rim, good defender, poor basketball IQ and court vision, not a great shooter, competitor

Bamba: Ridiculously long, very good perimeter defender, post defense will get better with more weight, great rebounder, tons of potential, overmatched offensively due to lack of muscle/weight

Gilgeous-Alexander: Finesse finisher, playmaker, struggles to crate for himself, struggles to finish in traffic, skinny (180 lbs), lots of potential

Porter Jr: Great in transition, great shooter, slow footed on D, poor defensive effort, lacks explosion and handles, lacks strength, poor IQ, zero court vision, plays selfish basketball

Lonnie Walker: very athletic, explosive, streak shooter, confident, poor efficiency, poor basketball IQ and vision, poor handles, doesn’t get to the rim for someone of his physical nature + doesn’t draw fouls, good potential

Miles Bridges: good shooting form, athletic, good handles, limited offensively, poor playmaker, turnovers, limited upside

Wendell Carter Jr: Versatile offensively – can play in and out smoothly, great passer, high IQ, not very athletic, finesse player, great rebounder, plays tentative and soft at times

Out of all these guys I like Sexton and Gilgeous-Alexander the most. Mikal too, as a safe pick.

Knox, to me, would literally be the worst player out of all these guys.

This reads like you cherry pick what attributes you want to assign to people to fit your narrative...guys you favor you minimize their negatives and guys you don't want to make them bigger than they are.

Just saying!

Not really, I wasn't favoring anyone when going through this. I went in with an open mind. I'm sure I missed some strengths/weaknesses on both sides but I probably felt like they weren't important enough in terms of making an impact in the league or that they can easily improve it.

Breaking it down to its simplest terms, that's really not that bad. I'd add a few things and maybe take away a few others, but for 5 hours of work not bad at all.

[F N 11]

u mean like jahlil okafor?

Everybody knew big who dont play D was going out of style except the sixers.

Yet in four hours the top two picks will be big men with major question marks on the defensive end of the floor.

These bigs are wayyyyyyyyy more versatile than Jah was when he came out.

[DaGawd]

can't wait to see THIS version of K.Knox unleashed..

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[Jeff Van Gully]

Everybody knew big who dont play D was going out of style except the sixers.

he still looked like a star in the making, if only for offensive skillset.

turns out his conditioning, motor, and maturity issues were all 100% real. that duke character tho.

i think he still might have been a very good player in the last era but in this one he's a scrub. that's the thing about prospects now, we're still evaluating some of them like the game is the same when we shouldn't be. for bigs, if you're not able to control the paint defensively or quick enough to switch onto other positions or have 3 point range you're pretty much worthless. it doesn't matter what other skills you have. you're a dinosaur. your skill set has gone extinct.

i don't think it's THAT bad, but i hear you.

a center who needs to operate on the block only, AND doesn't bring defense is going to have a hard time sticking in today's NBA.

jah had a little jumper tho. but his plodding nature exacerbated by weight issues and lack of intensity make him pretty worthless.

[dakomish23]

Really? Damn. How much hype does he have overseas?

At that time, it really wasn't clear who's gonna be the better player. Both looked like rare prodigies. But since then, Doncic has put a lot of separation between him and Musa, while Musa's progression has slowed down.

contender for understatement of the year

You’re going to love this kid if we take him with an extra pick.

[DOT]

Some of us very strongly disagree...Mikal is probably 85% through his development vs maybe 50% from Knox IMHO. I view Mikal as pretty close to a finished product with limited physical tools, slight build etc.

I mean, how can you know for sure that Mikal is near his peak? He's only 21, gonna be 22 in a few months

Players are still developing until their late 20s, y'all make it sound like Mikal is like 26 already

I don't know but I think his toolbox has substantially less space to add more to it than some others...virtually every scouting reports notes that the prevailing opinion or fair question to ask is how much better is he going to get. I'm sure there will be some marginal improvement...there won't be any quantum leaps and a Bridges of today is a middling NBA starter IMHO

People ask that question cause he doesn't have elite athleticism

The thing that not scouts but the ESPN heads think is potential is really athleticism. So say you have a guy who isn't really good at anything, but runs fast and jump high. ESPN would tell you he has potential cause of his physical tools

I say he has potential cause we've seen him grow over the last 3 years pretty heavily, so it makes sense that he'd continue to get better. Whereas a guy like Knox, there's just as much of a chance that he doesn't get much better as a player than he is right now

[DowNY]

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[Oscirus]

I'm not a college ball expert but really spent the last 5 hours scouring the internet for scouting reports, compilations of strengths/weaknesses and various interviews and I came up with this:

Knox: Soft, poor handles, low basketball IQ, poor efficiency, not good defender

Mikal Bridges: Efficient, consistent, high IQ, good defender, limited offensively

Trae Young: versatile offensively, impressive court vision, below average efficiency, small, terrible defensively

Sexton: Explosive, gets to the rim, good defender, poor basketball IQ and court vision, not a great shooter, competitor

Bamba: Ridiculously long, very good perimeter defender, post defense will get better with more weight, great rebounder, tons of potential, overmatched offensively due to lack of muscle/weight

Gilgeous-Alexander: Finesse finisher, playmaker, struggles to crate for himself, struggles to finish in traffic, skinny (180 lbs), lots of potential

Porter Jr: Great in transition, great shooter, slow footed on D, poor defensive effort, lacks explosion and handles, lacks strength, poor IQ, zero court vision, plays selfish basketball

Lonnie Walker: very athletic, explosive, streak shooter, confident, poor efficiency, poor basketball IQ and vision, poor handles, doesn’t get to the rim for someone of his physical nature + doesn’t draw fouls, good potential

Miles Bridges: good shooting form, athletic, good handles, limited offensively, poor playmaker, turnovers, limited upside

Wendell Carter Jr: Versatile offensively – can play in and out smoothly, great passer, high IQ, not very athletic, finesse player, great rebounder, plays tentative and soft at times

Out of all these guys I like Sexton and Gilgeous-Alexander the most. Mikal too, as a safe pick.

Knox, to me, would literally be the worst player out of all these guys.

This reads like you cherry pick what attributes you want to assign to people to fit your narrative...guys you favor you minimize their negatives and guys you don't want to make them bigger than they are.

Just saying!

Not really, I wasn't favoring anyone when going through this. I went in with an open mind. I'm sure I missed some strengths/weaknesses on both sides but I probably felt like they weren't important enough in terms of making an impact in the league or that they can easily improve it.

You literally just put all weaknesses on Knox. I have a hard time believing you weren't favoring anybody.

[NoLayupRule]

I'm not a college ball expert but really spent the last 5 hours scouring the internet for scouting reports, compilations of strengths/weaknesses and various interviews and I came up with this:

Knox: Soft, poor handles, low basketball IQ, poor efficiency, not good defender

Mikal Bridges: Efficient, consistent, high IQ, good defender, limited offensively

Trae Young: versatile offensively, impressive court vision, below average efficiency, small, terrible defensively

Sexton: Explosive, gets to the rim, good defender, poor basketball IQ and court vision, not a great shooter, competitor

Bamba: Ridiculously long, very good perimeter defender, post defense will get better with more weight, great rebounder, tons of potential, overmatched offensively due to lack of muscle/weight

Gilgeous-Alexander: Finesse finisher, playmaker, struggles to crate for himself, struggles to finish in traffic, skinny (180 lbs), lots of potential

Porter Jr: Great in transition, great shooter, slow footed on D, poor defensive effort, lacks explosion and handles, lacks strength, poor IQ, zero court vision, plays selfish basketball

Lonnie Walker: very athletic, explosive, streak shooter, confident, poor efficiency, poor basketball IQ and vision, poor handles, doesn’t get to the rim for someone of his physical nature + doesn’t draw fouls, good potential

Miles Bridges: good shooting form, athletic, good handles, limited offensively, poor playmaker, turnovers, limited upside

Wendell Carter Jr: Versatile offensively – can play in and out smoothly, great passer, high IQ, not very athletic, finesse player, great rebounder, plays tentative and soft at times

Out of all these guys I like Sexton and Gilgeous-Alexander the most. Mikal too, as a safe pick.

Knox, to me, would literally be the worst player out of all these guys.

i like these breakdowns

Im starting to really be intrigued by Carter

hes sorta melo but smart and skilled and a strong defender, rebounder, passer and scorer

[Jeff Van Gully]

Source: Knox met with NYK 3 times. All indications he’s been given have been that he’s the selection


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I'm assuming your source is on Knox's side (agent, family, player himself, etc), because the Knicks' front office has been unbelievably tight-lipped. I haven't gotten a single peep from them, and I've spoken with plenty of them since November.

you mean we still got lasagna?!

[Jeff Van Gully]

and monk swore up and down he was going to NY.

is it cal?

[King of Canada]

I disagree. Jamison was a great post up player at UNC. Quick as hell, crafty, and a little unorthodox. He also barely shot threes.

If we could walk away with a player of that level it's be a huge win. Jamison was pretty awesome.

I agree, but I don't see the comparison.

Tatum reminds me of Jamison

[KnickLeDime]

This reads like you cherry pick what attributes you want to assign to people to fit your narrative...guys you favor you minimize their negatives and guys you don't want to make them bigger than they are.

Just saying!

Not really, I wasn't favoring anyone when going through this. I went in with an open mind. I'm sure I missed some strengths/weaknesses on both sides but I probably felt like they weren't important enough in terms of making an impact in the league or that they can easily improve it.

Breaking it down to its simplest terms, that's really not that bad. I'd add a few things and maybe take away a few others, but for 5 hours of work not bad at all.

Knox is a consensus top 10 pick and this guy has NOTHING, not ONE thing positive to say...like zero, zilch lol, absolutely no redeemable quality, why on earth is he even in the draft...LOL

[mpharris36]

can't wait to see THIS version of K.Knox unleashed..

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yes nothing like a high school highlight video vs short white kids that would never sniff the college level...

I'm sold on Knox now!

[Jeff Van Gully]

At that time, it really wasn't clear who's gonna be the better player. Both looked like rare prodigies. But since then, Doncic has put a lot of separation between him and Musa, while Musa's progression has slowed down.

contender for understatement of the year

You’re going to love this kid if we take him with an extra pick.

oh, i don't dislike him. i'm intrigued. was wondering if he'd be there in the second.

just pointing out that a lot of separation since 15 is massively true.

[mpharris36]

and monk swore up and down he was going to NY.

is it cal?

yeah didn't monk where the watch inferring he was going to the knicks???

that was mills wasn't it...which is why im scared **** of this pick.

[NBA Fan 1234]

I was looking for advanced metrics, comparison of freshman Mikal vs freshman Knox. I know there may be a significant disperity between time played. Just wanted to see how they stacked up freshman on freshman/apples to apples.

I mean, advanced metrics can just be googled. You don't need me for that, lol. I can put in the Synergy stuff, if you want for at least a few areas. Don't want to delve into full detail, because I'm doing other things right now too.

Obviously many areas to consider but you brought up efficiency on the break for Knox at 49% and TO% on the break...so I was just curious at least there how a freshman Knox stacks up against a freshman Bridges.

Well...98th percentile on offense is heaps better than Knox's.

57th in catch & shoot, including 87th guarded (which is like 60% higher than Knox's, IIRC) and 91st percentile in transition with a 4.4% turnover rate, including 7.7 as the lead guy. 99th percentile around the basket, compared to 62nd for Knox.

[Br00kLyn]

i hope to live in a world where one day a knicks first round pick is cheered and not hated by millions of people before he even puts on the jersey.

unfortunately it wont be this year