2018 NBA Draft pt 2 - NOW WITH A POLL

freewhitemoon · Post #1601 » by **freewhitemoon** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:02 pm

Where is Huerter projected? Gimme him over Donte easily - more size, younger, better bet to actually make jumpshots in the NBA

ajb905 · Post #1602 » by **ajb905** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:07 pm

M-C-G wrote: And his nickname is the "the big Ragu", that's reason to draft him on its own.

Yeah the Big Ragu is a top notch nickname. Much better than DJ "Lanky Smooth" Wilson.

skones · Post #1603 » by **skones** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:07 pm

M-C-G wrote:
Take the big tournament out of it.

I think people are just suggesting he is in play because of the championship game, and maybe while true for some, there is plenty there to like.

If you take the big tournament out of it, is anyone even talking about him in the first round? That's what I keep coming back to. His lack of true positional versatility is a hindrance on his overall outlook imo. What do you see his outlook as? Courtney Lee? Tyler Johnson? Certainly not bad players, but I think you can aim higher.

mke_design · Post #1604 » by **mke_design** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:07 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:
mke_design wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:I'm incredibly wary of lowly recruited college players who have these magical tournament runs in their junior year without showing much of anything as a freshman or sophomore. If you're an upperclassmen and don't have elite physical tools, then there has to be some elite skill potential there. I don't see that with DiVincenzo at all. Classic case of a guy who's gonna look great in scrimmages and controlled athletic testing because he's simply trying harder than most other guys. I'll never dock him for his work ethic and intensity, that's for sure.

You wanting elite anything with the 17th pick is a bit of a pipe dream.

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If you're a 6'4 wing/guard without true PG skills or borderline freakish athleticism, then you better be elite at some other skill or else you're not an NBA player.

You mean besides his elite efg% and fantastic TS%

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Ron Swanson · Post #1605 » by **Ron Swanson** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:09 pm

College efficiency isn't a skill, it's a byproduct of all his skills/tools in college. None of which to me look like they translate well to the NBA.

mke_design · Post #1606 » by **mke_design** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:11 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:College efficiency isn't a skill, it's a byproduct of all his skills/tools in college. None of which to me look like they translate well to the NBA.

That’s fine. I agree to disagree.

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M-C-G · Post #1607 » by **M-C-G** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:21 pm

skones wrote:
M-C-G wrote:
Take the big tournament out of it.

I think people are just suggesting he is in play because of the championship game, and maybe while true for some, there is plenty there to like.

If you take the big tournament out of it, is anyone even talking about him in the first round? That's what I keep coming back to. His lack of true positional versatility is a hindrance on his overall outlook imo. What do you see his outlook as? Courtney Lee? Tyler Johnson? Certainly not bad players, but I think you can aim higher.

I should clarify that I am not like some big DDV advocate, he falls in the "ok, that will work" category for me. As far as would he be talked about as a first rounder, I think probably so, he seems to be there in a lot of mocks now, but I think that is more because of the combine. But we obviously don't know for sure.

M-C-G · Post #1608 » by **M-C-G** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:22 pm

freewhitemoon wrote:Where is Huerter projected? Gimme him over Donte easily - more size, younger, better bet to actually make jumpshots in the NBA

I've seen him in that 16-20 range a lot. He is also the guy I am going with.

BucksFanSD · Post #1609 » by **BucksFanSD** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:26 pm

ESPN mock updated again at 2:04 PST.

- Has us taking Donte at #17 over Robert Williams
- Porter slipping to #12
- Holiday goes #16 to the Suns

Post #1610 » by **Prez** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:30 pm

I am preparing for Huerter going 1 pick ahead of us and it's really pissing me off.

emunney · Post #1611 » by **emunney** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:36 pm

ajb905 wrote:
M-C-G wrote: And his nickname is the "the big Ragu", that's reason to draft him on its own.

Yeah the Big Ragu is a top notch nickname. Much better than DJ "Lanky Smooth" Wilson.

Gus Johnson invented this nickname

jakecronus8 · Post #1612 » by **jakecronus8** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:39 pm

emunney wrote:
ajb905 wrote:
M-C-G wrote: And his nickname is the "the big Ragu", that's reason to draft him on its own.

Yeah the Big Ragu is a top notch nickname. Much better than DJ "Lanky Smooth" Wilson.

Gus Johnson invented this nickname

Makes sense. It's terrible.

I was fooled by college efficiency in the case of Nik Stauskas. Won't make that mistake again.

jschligs · Post #1613 » by **jschligs** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:41 pm

BucksFanSD wrote:ESPN mock updated again at 2:04 PST.

- Has us taking Donte at #17 over Robert Williams
- Porter slipping to #12
- Holiday goes #16 to the Suns

No way we would pass on Robert Williams if he was there...I'd shoot my **** off

BroncoBuck · Post #1614 » by **BroncoBuck** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:43 pm

I’ve been in on DVD since Porter went back to school. Yeah he had a great tournament, but he was also one hell of a player all season long. He’s a high energy guy that can immediately give you 20 minutes a night.

Stauskas couldn’t shoot off the dribble and had zero playmaking ability. That comparison is weak.

mke_design · Post #1615 » by **mke_design** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:48 pm

jakecronus8 wrote:
emunney wrote:
ajb905 wrote:
Yeah the Big Ragu is a top notch nickname. Much better than DJ "Lanky Smooth" Wilson.

Gus Johnson invented this nickname

Makes sense. It's terrible.

I was fooled by college efficiency in the case of Nik Stauskas. Won't make that mistake again.

Except most of the top players in this draft are in the top 100 for player efficiency. It seems this rationale violates a few logical fallacies.

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mke_design · Post #1616 » by **mke_design** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:49 pm

BroncoBuck wrote:I’ve been in on DVD since Porter went back to school. Yeah he had a great tournament, but he was also one hell of a player all season long. He’s a high energy guy that can immediately give you 20 minutes a night.

Stauskas couldn’t shoot off the dribble and had zero playmaking ability. That comparison is weak.

But he’s white and doesn’t have great size. The resemblances are uncanny obviously. /s

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jute2003 · Post #1617 » by **jute2003** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:54 pm

machu46 wrote:
LuessiT wrote:
BucksFanSD wrote:Robert Williams slipping in the mocks to 18 and 21 in the latest mocks of espn and nbadraft.net. Not sure why but man I hope he slips to the Bucks.

Although can't see him getting past the Wizards, who I think will pick him or Mitchell Robinson. They need a center, bad.

Undersized center that is neither good defensively nor offensively and can't make FTs? Yuck.

He's literally won conference defensive player of the year the past two years, had a 62% TS% and finished in the 98th percentile of big men in terms of finishing at the rim.

I don't follow the draft enough to know anything about the guy and the bolded part may or may not mean anything but......

http://www.espn.com/blog/north-carolina-basketball/post/_/id/6194/zeller-named-acc-poy-henson-dpoy

Baddy Chuck · Post #1618 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:58 pm

BroncoBuck wrote:Stauskas couldn’t shoot off the dribble and had zero playmaking ability.

That's really honestly not true.

skones · Post #1619 » by **skones** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:58 pm

Winning a DPOY in college because of your physical attributes does not equal a "good defender." Your advantages are far less at the next level.

skones · Post #1620 » by **skones** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:59 pm

BroncoBuck wrote:
Stauskas couldn’t shoot off the dribble and had zero playmaking ability. That comparison is weak.

These were legitimately the reasons he rose up draft boards.

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