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Re: Bulls select Wendell Carter Jr 7th overall 

Post#461 » by aguifs » Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:01 pm

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Mark K wrote:The worst part of the narrative that Carter can't stay on the floor is who we're comparing him against. People are talking as if Draymond Green is now the norm, not the outlier he is. He is what he is because he's unique. The league isn't filled with many mobile centers who can stay on the floor who team's downsize. So unless every team benches their big, it's not an issue.

What modern bigs need to have, at a minimum, is a jump shot and a multi-faceted ability on offense. Carter does all of this. And yes, his defense in space is a question, but that is so for virtually every big in the league.

Basically, I see this as people complaining about a problem without offering a solution. And when they do provide a solution, that one is equally as flawed, perhaps even more so.

I don't know how I've all of a sudden become a Bulls apologist, but I'm very happy with this pick and think people are following the 'small ball' narrative a little too far.

The solution is that every year you just get some cheap ass Zaza Pachulia/Joel Anthony/Luc Longley/whatever for when the need arises, and you spend your high draft picks and max slots on versatile two-way players and high level on-ball scorers. If you don't have any, you save those assets until you do. Just keep trying until you succeed.

Let's say Markkanen and Carter don't suck balls in three years. That means you're paying them the max after their rookie contracts, because that's just what happens in this dumb league. Then you've got a team that's putting at least half of the salary cap into them. Unless the rest of the team is completely empty except for rookie deals, that means you're probably functionally capped out then. So then what? You're really gonna go for titles with a capped out team built around two big men who aren't that good on defense?

"Small ball" isnt' just Golden State. It was Miami. It was Chicago. Hell it's Houston and Boston right now. Building what amounts to basically a worse version of New Orleans is probably not going to be the future of this league.

Wendell Carter is probably the most two-way player drafted in the top 10 this year.

It would be bad to only have Carter and markkanen and nothing else. That's why the real key is to sign outside free agents before those guys need contract extensions. You sign one or two or three high quality free agents not necessarily stars or Superstars but just good players and then you have Lauri and Carter and maybe one of Dunn and Lavine becomes a player or something like that or maybe one of your later pics you know turns into something of a player and next thing you know you have four to seven actual good players and you can contend. Probably won't win a championship but it's insane for any team to think that they will win a championship until it's clear that they will. That's how odds work.


And then we keep being swept in the first round for years to come... Typical Garpax...
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Re: Bulls select Wendell Carter Jr 7th overall 

Post#462 » by Magilla_Gorilla » Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:03 pm

Happy with this pick. Good kid and a good player who can step in immediately and play both ends of the floor. Nice complement to Lauri.
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Re: Bulls select Wendell Carter Jr 7th overall 

Post#463 » by JohnnyTapwater » Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:06 pm

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Re: Bulls select Wendell Carter Jr 7th overall 

Post#464 » by RyGuy24 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:10 pm



WCJ ranked first in college basketball (pts per play) in defending postups (min. 50 post ups).
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Re: Bulls select Wendell Carter Jr 7th overall 

Post#465 » by GimmeDat » Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:11 pm

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GimmeDat wrote:You know the other cool thing about drafting Wendell? Our group is made up of extremely intelligent, hard-working, likeable kids.

A+ on character.


Appreciate the sentiment but honestly Pax really overplays that hand. We've had that cast before and yeah it was fun but it leaves you short. You need to spread your wings at some point and shoot for the big fish. I'm not sure a few try hard good kids will leave us satisfied this time around.

I sure hope Lauri is a star.


I agree, it's a cherry on top for me more than anything. I'm disappointed, but I'm disappointed in the fact the Bulls failed to properly tank and landed with the 7th pick. I think they made the right pick for where they needed to be.

But as you know, all we had to be was 1 spot higher for Bamba, a guy I loved, and that could've easily happened if they hadn't signed guys like Kilpatrick and other little moves.
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Re: Bulls select Wendell Carter Jr 7th overall 

Post#466 » by kingkirk » Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:17 pm

Red Larrivee wrote:I agree. Carter fits the direction that bigs are going in. Offensively, he can shoot, post, pass, finish and offensive rebound. On defense, he's just as good. He rotates well, understands angles, shows good awareness, boxes out, defends the post and rebounds well. His pick-and-roll defense in space isn't even bad, but it definitely needs improvement. That's really the only glaring weakness you can point out from his game. And as you mentioned, there a ton of centers who are still trying to improve the same thing. There are really only 2-3 centers who can consistently guard in space and they are outliers.

I don't understand how this represents a move to go to a Twin Towers build. Chicago merely picked a center who compliments Lauri and adds value on both sides of the ball. Carter is entering the league with a lot of skill for a C who just turned 19 in April.


The truth is very few centers can guard in space. This narrative has taken off because of the Warriors, and in a copy cat league like the NBA, I get why it has. But until there are kids coming through AAU and college who project to guard in space, and be good enough at it to stay on the floor, guys like Green will remain an outlier.

But in the interim, what the Warriors have actually is forced young bigs develop their face up and distance shooting game. Wendell does that well!

Honestly, the only negative about Carter may be his lateral quickness. I can cop that. But some of the other drawbacks of read on here today are far too extreme, as if we just drafted some lumbering veteran better suited to the game from 5 years ago.
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Re: Bulls select Wendell Carter Jr 7th overall 

Post#467 » by GimmeDat » Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:20 pm

https://www.thestepien.com/2017/12/21/wendell-carters-shooting-outburst-vs-evansville/

If you’ve watched pre-Duke Carter, you have a significant advantage over the lot who have only seen the Duke iteration of Carter in terms of having a more accurate representation of his abilities. Duke plays almost entirely two big lineups involving Carter, Marvin Bagley and Marques Bolden, inhibiting space to operate. In addition, Duke also uses these bigs more “traditionally” as post up players, especially Carter and Bolden, while featuring Bagley more often offensively. Due to this set of circumstances and because Carter’s space defense has been over-scrutinized (in my opinion), the popular narrative with him has morphed into a Jahlil Okafor type post up defensive sieve. As we got to see in Carter’s 4-for-7 from 3, 27 point outburst against Evansville (and have rarely seen thus far this year), there is more to Carter’s game than post scoring.


I’ve been consistently hammering home Carter’s shooting mechanics being one of the most underrated attributes in this class (and his playmaking traits overall). Carter has clean, compact mechanics and generates fantastic power with little input. He keeps his elbow in for alignment, and the process is fluid overall and projectable to NBA 3pt range with his strength. His release is a tad slow, but that is far less of an issue playing at the five in the NBA given the space and type of situations he’ll shoot in.


This article provides an interesting look at Carter's shooting ability. 41% is a little misleading, he's not a sure product in that regard yet, but he's a more than projectable shooter with good mechanics.
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Re: Bulls select Wendell Carter Jr 7th overall 

Post#468 » by Ferulci » Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:20 pm

Meh.
We got Orlando'd : all the high upside players were gone, the players I would have wanted (Knox,Zaire Smith,Miles Bridges) would have asked a trade down, and our FO was to cheap to absorb Parsons contract in order to move up to 4.
That being said, welcome to WCJ. While his profile doesnt excite me a bit, Kevin O'Connor thinks he'll be better than Bagley and I've been wrong on draft more than once (I was on the draft Blair rather than Gibson train for example).
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Re: Bulls select Wendell Carter Jr 7th overall 

Post#469 » by barcodekiller » Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:27 pm

I love this pick
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Re: Bulls select Wendell Carter Jr 7th overall 

Post#470 » by Chitownbulls » Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:32 pm

Free agency is loaded with bigman. The Bulls just took themseleves out of that race. We got 41+mil in cap space an noone to spend it on.
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Re: Bulls select Wendell Carter Jr 7th overall 

Post#471 » by Zipserino » Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:35 pm

Chitownbulls wrote:Free agency is loaded with bigman. The Bulls just took themseleves out of that race. We got 41+mil in cap space an noone to spend it on.

No need to spend money on someone who isn't a franchise-changing big man. But I still expect Bulls to pursue Capela in FA.
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Re: Bulls select Wendell Carter Jr 7th overall 

Post#472 » by kingkirk » Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:35 pm

Chitownbulls wrote:Free agency is loaded with bigman. The Bulls just took themseleves out of that race. We got 41+mil in cap space an noone to spend it on.


Yes, it's a crying shame we opted for a 19-year-old center with potential than signing a hobbling DeMarcus Cousins or soon to be declining DeAndre Jordan to max dollars.
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Re: Bulls select Wendell Carter Jr 7th overall 

Post#473 » by bearadonisdna » Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:38 pm

Lauri_Bird wrote:In the end it was all for #tankforwendell

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Lol, #DontPlayHarder4Carter
Anyways he was about the 7th ranked prospect, even the Knicks passed on mikal for Knox, circumstantial pick for the bulls.
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Re: Bulls select Wendell Carter Jr 7th overall 

Post#474 » by Chitownbulls » Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:41 pm

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Chitownbulls wrote:Free agency is loaded with bigman. The Bulls just took themseleves out of that race. We got 41+mil in cap space an noone to spend it on.


Yes, it's a crying shame we opted for a 19-year-old center with potential than signing a hobbling DeMarcus Cousins or soon to be declining DeAndre Jordan to max dollars.


Great, now we go after hobbling Jabari Parker instead
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Re: Bulls select Wendell Carter Jr 7th overall 

Post#475 » by Chitownbulls » Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:41 pm

Zipserino wrote:
Chitownbulls wrote:Free agency is loaded with bigman. The Bulls just took themseleves out of that race. We got 41+mil in cap space an noone to spend it on.

No need to spend money on someone who isn't a franchise-changing big man. But I still expect Bulls to pursue Capela in FA.


Capela? For what? We are loaded up front
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Re: Bulls select Wendell Carter Jr 7th overall 

Post#476 » by League Circles » Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:42 pm

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League Circles wrote:
Leslie Forman wrote:The solution is that every year you just get some cheap ass Zaza Pachulia/Joel Anthony/Luc Longley/whatever for when the need arises, and you spend your high draft picks and max slots on versatile two-way players and high level on-ball scorers. If you don't have any, you save those assets until you do. Just keep trying until you succeed.

Let's say Markkanen and Carter don't suck balls in three years. That means you're paying them the max after their rookie contracts, because that's just what happens in this dumb league. Then you've got a team that's putting at least half of the salary cap into them. Unless the rest of the team is completely empty except for rookie deals, that means you're probably functionally capped out then. So then what? You're really gonna go for titles with a capped out team built around two big men who aren't that good on defense?

"Small ball" isnt' just Golden State. It was Miami. It was Chicago. Hell it's Houston and Boston right now. Building what amounts to basically a worse version of New Orleans is probably not going to be the future of this league.

Wendell Carter is probably the most two-way player drafted in the top 10 this year.

It would be bad to only have Carter and markkanen and nothing else. That's why the real key is to sign outside free agents before those guys need contract extensions. You sign one or two or three high quality free agents not necessarily stars or Superstars but just good players and then you have Lauri and Carter and maybe one of Dunn and Lavine becomes a player or something like that or maybe one of your later pics you know turns into something of a player and next thing you know you have four to seven actual good players and you can contend. Probably won't win a championship but it's insane for any team to think that they will win a championship until it's clear that they will. That's how odds work.


And then we keep being swept in the first round for years to come... Typical Garpax...

A team with more good players on it than we've ever had in the history of the franchise, most of whom would be pretty young, is destined to be essentially a .500 team indefinitely? Just FYI that is what you're saying here. So if me clarifying what you're saying alarms you then maybe reread the scenario I painted.
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Re: Bulls select Wendell Carter Jr 7th overall 

Post#477 » by barcodekiller » Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:49 pm

I believe Carter did not get a chance to showcase all he could do at Duke, especially on the perimeter. I wouldn’t sleep on him, sneaky potential
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Re: Bulls select Wendell Carter Jr 7th overall 

Post#478 » by TheFinishSniper » Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:49 pm

Stanford wrote:I think this is a great pick. I love your frontcourt.

ofcourse you do. you are not fan of this team. But thanks. Good luck in Finals next year!
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Re: Bulls select Wendell Carter Jr 7th overall 

Post#479 » by BigLouBaby » Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:52 pm

So what are we doing about the gaping hole at small forward?! It’s only the most important position in the game these days....
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Re: Bulls select Wendell Carter Jr 7th overall 

Post#480 » by Chitownbulls » Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:53 pm

BigLouBaby wrote:So what are we doing about the gaping hole at small forward?! It’s only the most important position in the game these days....


Exactly....we are about to give big money to Jabari, Wilson Chandler or Will Barton.
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