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Re: The Tantalizer: Welcome Robert Williams! 

Post#181 » by 24istheLAW » Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:46 pm

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24istheLAW wrote:Slept on the pick last night, so I'd have more to offer than combo guard jokes.

I think the biggest benefit of the Robert Williams III pick is that we can let Baynes walk. I like Baynes, but re-signing a 20 MPG player coming off a career year at their price, not your price, is bad business. Danny knows this.

With Smart or Rozier, if one is gone there's a plan B. If you move Jaylen, there's a plan B, and if you did move him its probably for another versatile wing. With Baynes you didn't have a plan B.

Best Player Available is a nice theory but sometimes you need to use the draft to replace cheap roles with cheap players. That's hopefully what we just did.



Not at all. Williams almost surely isn't ready to take on that responsibility as a rookie, and the Celtics are going for the title next year. They every intention of re-signing Baynes.

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Of course he isn't ready. The point is that you don't have a choice sometimes. I have a hard time seeing Baynes return whether we like him or not. What we can do is minimize the fallout and bring back a younger, higher MPG player (Smart or Rozier) who we couldn't if we extended ourselves to keep Baynes.
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Re: The Tantalizer: Welcome Robert Williams! 

Post#182 » by CeltsfanSinceBirth » Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:50 pm

The greatest part of Robert Williams is it totally destroys that rumor (which I think was BS since it came from Sherrod) of the Celts being interested in Dwight.
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Re: The Tantalizer: Welcome Robert Williams! 

Post#183 » by Feed Your Head » Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:51 pm

Homerclease wrote:Bostondave is gonna love this guy cause he doesn’t shoot 3’s and knows the “hoop game”


But is he a STUD?
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Re: The Tantalizer: Welcome Robert Williams! 

Post#184 » by brackdan70 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:52 pm

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BeanTownBrawler wrote:Anyone know if he grw in height between freshman and sophomore years? (ie possible he's still growing?)

Dude has a 9’4 standing reach. Really doesn’t need to grow anymore.

Where are his real measurements? I see nothing when searching?

Hmm search seems to work for me. Numerous references to Wing span 7’4 to 7’6 and standing reach 9’4. None of this may be official but watching him play seems legit.
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Re: The Tantalizer: Welcome Robert Williams! 

Post#186 » by brackdan70 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:09 pm

24istheLAW wrote:Slept on the pick last night, so I'd have more to offer than combo guard jokes.

I think the biggest benefit of the Robert Williams III pick is that we can let Baynes walk. I like Baynes, but re-signing a 20 MPG player coming off a career year at their price, not your price, is bad business. Danny knows this.

With Smart or Rozier, if one is gone there's a plan B. If you move Jaylen, there's a plan B, and if you did move him its probably for another versatile wing. With Baynes you didn't have a plan B.

Best Player Available is a nice theory but sometimes you need to use the draft to replace cheap roles with cheap players. That's hopefully what we just did.

Also seems like BPA to me. I had him as BPA at 16th pick.
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Re: The Tantalizer: Welcome Robert Williams! 

Post#187 » by flintsky21 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:10 pm

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Higgs Boston wrote:So another lazy and small PF-C like yabusele and sullinger, ainge looks obsessed with these. He doesn't look fat at least, in the draft yabusele wasn't as fat as now tho, so who knows.

Lmaooooo bro, what is this post?

Williams is a completely different player than Yabusele or Sullinger.

This kid is DeAndre Jordan-lite.


Jordan is taller at 6'11 but their wingspan is identical at 7'6. Good post.

In terms of body type, he's more Capela than Jordan.

Capela - 6'10, 240 lbs, 7'5" wingspan.
Williams - 6'10, 237 lbs, 7'5" wingspan.
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Re: The Tantalizer: Welcome Robert Williams! 

Post#188 » by AzogTheDefilier » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:10 pm



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Re: The Tantalizer: Welcome Robert Williams! 

Post#189 » by 24istheLAW » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:19 pm

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24istheLAW wrote:Slept on the pick last night, so I'd have more to offer than combo guard jokes.

I think the biggest benefit of the Robert Williams III pick is that we can let Baynes walk. I like Baynes, but re-signing a 20 MPG player coming off a career year at their price, not your price, is bad business. Danny knows this.

With Smart or Rozier, if one is gone there's a plan B. If you move Jaylen, there's a plan B, and if you did move him its probably for another versatile wing. With Baynes you didn't have a plan B.

Best Player Available is a nice theory but sometimes you need to use the draft to replace cheap roles with cheap players. That's hopefully what we just did.

Also seems like BPA to me. I had him as BPA at 16th pick.


I can buy that he's BPA. But even if it turns out he can play, Williams is a pretty limited player. Non-shooter and needs work to turn his athletic skillset into defensive quality.

We clown Ainge for loving combo guards, but a good guard can play 30-35 MPG, make a shot, hit their free throws, close the game etc. The "upside" of Bruce Brown turning out to be a player is really higher than Williams, even if he isn't big and athletic. The real advantage with the Williams is addressing a need.
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Re: The Tantalizer: Welcome Robert Williams! 

Post#190 » by Fencer reregistered » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:21 pm

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AzogTheDefilier wrote:Is there a material difference between Williams and Mo Bamba? Other than 3 inches of wingspan?


Bamba is a better shooter but Williams is a more active player.


Bamba is also regarded as the more desirable of the two above the neck.
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Post#191 » by Green89 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:28 pm

Do we know exactly what he got suspended for? All articles I read just say he violated university policy.
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Re: The Tantalizer: Welcome Robert Williams! 

Post#192 » by jfs1000d » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:46 pm

Love the athleticism, and he can shot block, rebound and defend.

No need to score. Right now Horford, Baynes, Theis And Now Williams as our centers.


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Re: The Tantalizer: Welcome Robert Williams! 

Post#193 » by 2Mas » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:46 pm

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brackdan70 wrote:
24istheLAW wrote:Slept on the pick last night, so I'd have more to offer than combo guard jokes.

I think the biggest benefit of the Robert Williams III pick is that we can let Baynes walk. I like Baynes, but re-signing a 20 MPG player coming off a career year at their price, not your price, is bad business. Danny knows this.

With Smart or Rozier, if one is gone there's a plan B. If you move Jaylen, there's a plan B, and if you did move him its probably for another versatile wing. With Baynes you didn't have a plan B.

Best Player Available is a nice theory but sometimes you need to use the draft to replace cheap roles with cheap players. That's hopefully what we just did.

Also seems like BPA to me. I had him as BPA at 16th pick.


I can buy that he's BPA. But even if it turns out he can play, Williams is a pretty limited player. Non-shooter and needs work to turn his athletic skillset into defensive quality.

We clown Ainge for loving combo guards, but a good guard can play 30-35 MPG, make a shot, hit their free throws, close the game etc. The "upside" of Bruce Brown turning out to be a player is really higher than Williams, even if he isn't big and athletic. The real advantage with the Williams is addressing a need.

1- I have no clue why Washington took Brown over him. Why take another Oubre, Porter positional guy over finally getting an athletic center to run with Wall? I don't get it.

2- He's easily BPA. He's a nonshooter but we have legit all ppl who shoot besides Smart who shoots them anyways. I don't want a team of 15 ppl being able to shoot. We've been lacking an athletic above the rim big man since ?? an older Chris Wilcox? JuJuan Johnson? Lol.

We have so many guards who can play. Even if we let Smart walk, Danny shown Brad can get competence from his guards no matter who for cheap. Even if we bring back Larkin &/or Bird for spot minutes, we're good.

Great teams have multiple looks. I don't like the one type of play mindset. We need to be able to throw out different looks. Having a rim running C will unlock a lot of good for us. Even if he only develops into a JaVale Mcgee type (obviously low end) & not Capela (high end), it's still valuable.

I get what your saying. But that tide's gonna change soon enough. Took many talented bigs. The league is gonna tilt soon. & our team is so stack 1-3, really don't see why we woulda went that route.
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Post#194 » by AzogTheDefilier » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:50 pm

Gives me a reason to watch some summer league games
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Re: The Tantalizer: Welcome Robert Williams! 

Post#195 » by jfs1000d » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:54 pm

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username_taken wrote:Very excited. Hopefully he works on his FTs and corner 3 in Maine this season and hopefully will be ready for 15-20 mins a night for 19-20!


Our bigs besides Horford are such garbage that I can easily see this kid getting consistent minutes by the end of this season.

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Baynes is good, as is Theis. And, Morris plays some PF too.


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Post#196 » by Jingles » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:56 pm

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24istheLAW wrote:
brackdan70 wrote:Also seems like BPA to me. I had him as BPA at 16th pick.


I can buy that he's BPA. But even if it turns out he can play, Williams is a pretty limited player. Non-shooter and needs work to turn his athletic skillset into defensive quality.

We clown Ainge for loving combo guards, but a good guard can play 30-35 MPG, make a shot, hit their free throws, close the game etc. The "upside" of Bruce Brown turning out to be a player is really higher than Williams, even if he isn't big and athletic. The real advantage with the Williams is addressing a need.

1- I have no clue why Washington took Brown over him. Why take another Oubre, Porter positional guy over finally getting an athletic center to run with Wall? I don't get it.

2- He's easily BPA. He's a nonshooter but we have legit all ppl who shoot besides Smart who shoots them anyways. I don't want a team of 15 ppl being able to shoot. We've been lacking an athletic above the rim big man since ?? an older Chris Wilcox? JuJuan Johnson? Lol.

We have so many guards who can play. Even if we let Smart walk, Danny shown Brad can get competence from his guards no matter who for cheap. Even if we bring back Larkin &/or Bird for spot minutes, we're good.

Great teams have multiple looks. I don't like the one type of play mindset. We need to be able to throw out different looks. Having a rim running C will unlock a lot of good for us. Even if he only develops into a JaVale Mcgee type (obviously low end) & not Capela (high end), it's still valuable.

I get what your saying. But that tide's gonna change soon enough. Took many talented bigs. The league is gonna tilt soon. & our team is so stack 1-3, really don't see why we woulda went that route.


And with more high picks expected soon, there remains plenty of ammo to go get another guard/wing if needed in the event that that kind of playing time opens up in the future for whatever reason.

The size and athleticism turnaround over the last three offseasons has been remarkable. We've gone from almost everyone on the roster being too small and/or not athletic enough to having legit length and athleticism all over the court (in addition to the skill, and shooting, and speed, etc etc).
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Re: The Tantalizer: Welcome Robert Williams! 

Post#197 » by celticfan42487 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:00 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:Opposing teams are already working on the "hack-a-Williams" defenses.


Good luck finding him on the bench to hack when it matters and you're looking at a

Irving
Brown
Hayward
Tatum
Horford

lineup.

I get why teams faded him, he didn't seem to improve at all in college in his second year. And because of his FT shooting you can't play him in the final 2 minutes. Just like Nerlens Noel and so many other bigs the modern game has passed him by.

But if he recommits himself to the game as a pro, he has the ability to rebound, protect the rim, and guard inside and out in a modern switching defense.

That's the makings of a strong defender. The kind of piece a winning team often needs for certain matchups.

I keep thinking of how MIL took 2 games from us solely because they decided to play Thon Maker who is crap on offense... but the playoffs are a matchup game as opposed to the going through the motions regular season.

For this team, for pick 27, this was the perfect pick. Everything you dreamed of, high asset falling in the mock that fits your team need positions, and your team needs skill wise perfectly. I honestly can't remember the last time I've been so happy with an Ainge pick the day of or the day after the draft!
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Re: The Tantalizer: Welcome Robert Williams! 

Post#198 » by 3D Chess » Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:05 pm

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Post#199 » by hickfromfrenchlick » Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:07 pm

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Homerclease wrote:Bostondave is gonna love this guy cause he doesn’t shoot 3’s and knows the “hoop game”


But is he a STUD?


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Post#200 » by hickfromfrenchlick » Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:07 pm

3D Chess wrote:WELL

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He's probably in the gym working on his free throws.
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