Wendell Carter Jr - The Block Panther Edition

[Leslie Forman]

There are 2 teams in the league that are great at playing small and switching everything: Golden State and Boston. We are not building a team to beat teams that are great right now.

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Versatile switching teams aren't some fad. This is teams figuring out through analytics that it's simply better basketball.

You might as well say that some day all this wacky three point shooting is going to go away.

[Poohdini1]

How can the word core even be thrown around on a team with players barely a season together, and two rookies. How is that even possible?

Why not? Do you expect one of the 5 guys to be moved in the near future?

[kulaz3000]

How can the word core even be thrown around on a team with players barely a season together, and two rookies. How is that even possible?

Why not? Do you expect one of the 5 guys to be moved in the near future?

In the next 5 years? Sure! I'd say at least 2 of the players you listed as the ''core'' most likely won't be on the roster in 5 years time. Who knows why, but the only player even really worth hoping to keep long term is Lauri, and even he is not a fully realised player at this point in his career.

[Red Larrivee]

There are 2 teams in the league that are great at playing small and switching everything: Golden State and Boston. We are not building a team to beat teams that are great right now.

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Versatile switching teams aren't some fad. This is teams figuring out through analytics that it's simply better basketball.

You might as well say that some day all this wacky three point shooting is going to go away.

Great, so why are the other 28 teams lacking? You're acting like the majority of the NBA is switching and centers are defending guards on every play effectively, while our team is stuck in 1991 with two plodding bigs.

Carter and Markkanen both fit the profile of what teams want from a big now. Markkanen had respectable perimeter defense last season and Carter is way above the defensive curve of what most bigs have when they enter the league. Offensively, they're both capable of playing inside out and putting the ball on the floor.

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[Friend_Of_Haley]

How can the word core even be thrown around on a team with players barely a season together, and two rookies. How is that even possible?

Why not? Do you expect one of the 5 guys to be moved in the near future?

If they stick together it's unlikely the Bulls will be a serious contender. You basically have 4 years until they're all out of their rookie deals and of none explode into a top 10 player, you'll need to try and consolidate some of the talent into a top 10 player (easier said than done).

[danzou]

Carter and Lauri in the front court are going to be a joy to watch for the next several years.

I've been anti-Garpax but I've like what they have done post-McDermott trade. Top 3 pick in many other drafts.

During FA there will be teams looking to package players or picks to shed salary and under more pressure to do so than Memphis. For instance, if the Lakers end up being one of those teams...I'd much rather have Ingram+WCJ over just Bamba.
If we are going by relative comparisons, I'd rather have Horford (wcj) over Gobert (Bamba). At least it'd be damn close.

We are going to be a lotto team next year. If we gave up that pick to get Bamba or JJJ, and they bust, we'd be in pretty big trouble without it. Doncic might have been worth it but Atlanta wanted Trae, who could have been gone by the 7th pick, so it's a moot point.

[Ctownbulls]

The roster isn't locked in, but we don't have a war-chest of draft picks with which to transform the roster.

If the roster is to be transformed, it's to be with free agency and trades.

The roster is not going to be and does not not to be transformed for another 2 years. If Lauri continue to grow, if Carter develops into a solid player, if one of Dunn/Lavine/Portis turn into a valuable asset, + the lotto pick next year and future picks then the Bulls may have a warchest of players and assets to package for a superstar or stud. And then they will have Lauri + that stud + whatever assets are remaining to be a player in free agency.

Why does the roster need to be transformed right now? We should not be swinging for the fences at this point. They need to build the asset base first.

[Ctownbulls]

How can the word core even be thrown around on a team with players barely a season together, and two rookies. How is that even possible?

Why not? Do you expect one of the 5 guys to be moved in the near future?

Of course - that is the point here. Acquire as many potential assets as possible and package them for a superstar. There is no way in hell all 5 of these guys are on the team in 2 years unless 2 of them become superstars on their own.

[bad knees]

I just read in KC’s article in the hard copy Chicago Tribune that the Bulls declined to trade up with MEM because “the Bulls weren’t interested in swallowing the two years and $49 million remaining on Chandler Parsons’ contract.”

Make me barf. We’d rather spend that cap space on what - overpaying LaVine and then overpaying Portis?


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[Poohdini1]

How can the word core even be thrown around on a team with players barely a season together, and two rookies. How is that even possible?

Why not? Do you expect one of the 5 guys to be moved in the near future?

In the next 5 years? Sure! I'd say at least 2 of the players you listed as the ''core'' most likely won't be on the roster in 5 years time. Who knows why, but the only player even really worth hoping to keep long term is Lauri, and even he is not a fully realised player at this point in his career.

I agree with you regarding Lauri.

Dunn's got 2 years left on his rookie deal. Highly doubt he walks in RFA or is traded.

No idea about LaVine. Expect him back but not as sure as I was this time last year.

Hutchison on his rookie deal. He's here for 4 years. Same goes for Wendell.

I'm judging based off what the FO has shown in the past. I don't expect them to pull a rabbit out of their hat and make a trade and I don't think these guys will be good enough to get a big time FA in here.

[waffle]

the trick in the NBA is to have a young core, mostly acquired through the draft, peak together as a team, to have a competitive window. This strategy is important for competitive AND FINANCIAL reasons. You only have so much money to play with and good players get PAID.

If you are a good, young team, then you will be able to attract a good FA or 2 who wants to play with that core and possibly win a title or 2. This is only possible with a good cap situation, which, as I stated, is helped by the above. You can't sign a FA you can't afford. Signing a FA too early or too late can really screw things up. It's a timing thing

We are in the process of accomplishing the first task, having a good young core with room to grow together as a team. We also in a very good situation from a money perspective. So we are well positioned to have the chance to be competitive

So now we have a young core to develop. Now we are in a really good cap situation going forward. We still have our picks for the near future. Looking good.

Now comes the player development, the becoming competitive, becoming an attractive destination, and landing a top tier FA over the next 2 or 3 years.

In fact, to me, one of the biggest questions is coaching. I am not convinced that Fred is any good. I am not sure he is bad either. I am just not sure.

[kulaz3000]

I just read in KC’s article in the hard copy Chicago Tribune that the Bulls declined to trade up with MEM because “the Bulls weren’t interested in swallowing the two years and $49 million remaining on Chandler Parsons’ contract.”

Make me barf. We’d rather spend that cap space on what - overpaying LaVine and then overpaying Portis?


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Did the article mention that the Bulls intention is to use the money to overpay LaVine and Portis?

[Red Larrivee]

I just read in KC’s article in the hard copy Chicago Tribune that the Bulls declined to trade up with MEM because “the Bulls weren’t interested in swallowing the two years and $49 million remaining on Chandler Parsons’ contract.”

Make me barf. We’d rather spend that cap space on what - overpaying LaVine and then overpaying Portis?

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Goodwill and KC are both confirming that Memphis wanted us to give up 7, a future first and to take on Parsons contract.

That is not a good trade. We would've been stuck with a rebuilding team this year with no remaining cap to take on contracts and we wouldn't even get our own pick.

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[kulaz3000]

Why not? Do you expect one of the 5 guys to be moved in the near future?

In the next 5 years? Sure! I'd say at least 2 of the players you listed as the ''core'' most likely won't be on the roster in 5 years time. Who knows why, but the only player even really worth hoping to keep long term is Lauri, and even he is not a fully realised player at this point in his career.

I agree with you regarding Lauri.

Dunn's got 2 years left on his rookie deal. Highly doubt he walks in RFA or is traded.

No idea about LaVine. Expect him back but not as sure as I was this time last year.

Hutchison on his rookie deal. He's here for 4 years. Same goes for Wendell.

I'm judging based off what the FO has shown in the past. I don't expect them to pull a rabbit out of their hat and make a trade and I don't think these guys will be good enough to get a big time FA in here.

The same team that a year ago traded away Jimmy Butler?

Paxson has proven over the years that he will trade players if they are either a bad fit, player or crappy person, even if he had recently traded for him or signed him. Just look at what happened to the Wade and Rondo plan. Look at how quickly they traded away Ben Wallace.

This team could look vastly different in 2 years time.

[Poohdini1]

Carter and Lauri in the front court are going to be a joy to watch for the next several years.

I've been anti-Garpax but I've like what they have done post-McDermott trade. Top 3 pick in many other drafts.

During FA there will be teams looking to package players or picks to shed salary and under more pressure to do so than Memphis. For instance, if the Lakers end up being one of those teams...I'd much rather have Ingram+WCJ over just Bamba.
If we are going by relative comparisons, I'd rather have Horford (wcj) over Gobert (Bamba). At least it'd be damn close.

We are going to be a lotto team next year. If we gave up that pick to get Bamba or JJJ, and they bust, we'd be in pretty big trouble without it. Doncic might have been worth it but Atlanta wanted Trae, who could have been gone by the 7th pick, so it's a moot point.

Brother we will not get Brandon Ingram for swallowing 2 years of Lt. Deng. If they're moving Deng's money for Kawhi, Ingram will be on his way to SA.

[waffle]

that would have been an AWFUL trade.

[bad knees]

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[danzou]

Irrespective of whether or not Carter is going to be a stud or solid player I think some people are overlooking the overall process here. The Bulls are not going to be good next year and will more than likely be in the lottery again. The goal here is to collect as many assets as possible so that they are in a position in 2-3 years to:

(a) package a bunch of the assets to acquire a big time talent, and
(b) still have a few young studs, plus the new asset to be an attractive landing spot for a superstar with the cap space we will have

Anything that jeopardizes that potential process needs to be avoided. I know a lot of people wanted to take a swing for Porter. If he is a complete bust or can't play because of injury then that is one less key asset the Bulls have to achieve their goals in 2-3 years. I know a lot of people wanted to trade up for Mo Bamba too. I think we all believe that Mo has higher bust potential than Carter and the Bulls would have also had to give up another one of those assets to move up. So in that situation you have a player with a higher potential for failure and are giving up another key asset (Bobby or #22 or more).

I know a lot of fans think that the Bulls went "safe" but remember what the end goal is here. We want to be in a situation like Boston in 2 years where we have a ton of young assets that other teams want or could use (including our future picks) and have tons of cap space. The Bulls made the right picks to preserve that process going forward and there is nothing the precludes Wendell Carter from being an absolute stud even if he is not considered a "sexy" pick.

Anyone crying that we are doomed for mediocrity for the next several years needs to read this post. Next year is a win-win...if we under achieve, we have a shot at a very high pick again, and if we over achieve, we are all of a sudden a young team with cap space, a marketable city, and gobs of cap space for a FA to join.

Draymond and Klay were not considered franchise changing talents when they were drafted. And at the time, Curry was good, but nothing close to an MVP candidate. He had major defensive concerns, and a pair of glass ankles. A few years later, they get KD, and we all know the rest.

[Poohdini1]

In the next 5 years? Sure! I'd say at least 2 of the players you listed as the ''core'' most likely won't be on the roster in 5 years time. Who knows why, but the only player even really worth hoping to keep long term is Lauri, and even he is not a fully realised player at this point in his career.

I agree with you regarding Lauri.

Dunn's got 2 years left on his rookie deal. Highly doubt he walks in RFA or is traded.

No idea about LaVine. Expect him back but not as sure as I was this time last year.

Hutchison on his rookie deal. He's here for 4 years. Same goes for Wendell.

I'm judging based off what the FO has shown in the past. I don't expect them to pull a rabbit out of their hat and make a trade and I don't think these guys will be good enough to get a big time FA in here.

The same team that a year ago traded away Jimmy Butler?

Paxson has proven over the years that he will trade players if they are either a bad fit, player or crappy person, even if he had recently traded for him or signed him. Just look at what happened to the Wade and Rondo plan. Look at how quickly they traded away Ben Wallace.

This team could look vastly different in 2 years time.

As much as I like Lauri I would have preferred building around the all NBA player who's got connections to other stars in the league and cap space.

Dropping Wade & Rondo were fairly obvious decisions given their fit next to Jimmy though, no? Wade more so but did anyone here really expect that trio to be THAT good?

[danzou]

Carter and Lauri in the front court are going to be a joy to watch for the next several years.

I've been anti-Garpax but I've like what they have done post-McDermott trade. Top 3 pick in many other drafts.

During FA there will be teams looking to package players or picks to shed salary and under more pressure to do so than Memphis. For instance, if the Lakers end up being one of those teams...I'd much rather have Ingram+WCJ over just Bamba.
If we are going by relative comparisons, I'd rather have Horford (wcj) over Gobert (Bamba). At least it'd be damn close.

We are going to be a lotto team next year. If we gave up that pick to get Bamba or JJJ, and they bust, we'd be in pretty big trouble without it. Doncic might have been worth it but Atlanta wanted Trae, who could have been gone by the 7th pick, so it's a moot point.

Brother we will not get Brandon Ingram for swallowing 2 years of Lt. Deng. If they're moving Deng's money for Kawhi, Ingram will be on his way to SA.

You may be right. But if Kawhi ends up staying in SA and the Lakers want to free up space for another FA, the Bulls will be in a position to play ball.