The Troy Brown Thread

[NatP4]

I like this pick honestly. Another wing, should allow us to play small ball more. Start Wall Beal Oubre Porter with Brown as a backup wing. Can never go wrong with picking guys that play hard and have high character.

I like his potential also because his jumpshot looks good even with the low%, and he's smart. only 18 for another month.

But you know we won't play small ball... he will just sit glued to the bench.

I’m trying to picture the next level of stupidity we see from Brooks. Maybe he plays Brown as the bench facilitator over Sato and uses Lawson as an off ball guard because “he can play off ball and space the floor” even though Sato shot 45% from 3 and Lawson can’t shoot anymore at all. Yeah that’s it forsure, Sato benched for Brown. Bench will be this:

Lawson
Meeks
Brown
Something horrendous (Jason Smith or Mike Scott)
Mahinmi or Gortat

[I_Like_Dirt]

But you know we won't play small ball... he will just sit glued to the bench.

I think Brown will be glued to the bench as a rookie, but I'm not sure if the Wizards will or won't play small ball. Drafting with an eye for immediate impact at 15 is a mistake. If you can get it, great, but it shouldn't be expected. And if the Wizards don't play small ball, that isn't a problem with picking Tony Brown, that's a problem with being one of the last remaining dinosaurs in an evolving NBA.

[Dat2U]

What makes Ernie a terrible evaluator is that he doesn't make decisions based by what a player actually does in basketball games. He bases on the non-basketball stuff like personality, the ability to interview, the ability to play well one-one-one the day of the workout.

He drafted Brown b/c he impressed him with his IQ. IQ that was never displayed on the court. Zhaire on the other hand, oozes high IQ with his actual play and was hugely impactful in college while Troy was not. But because Troy was more eloquent in discussing plays and apparently played well that day, he's the pick despite being a late 1st round prospect at best.

This pick is the definition of a reach. It was like we traded down last night without dumping a contract.

[Ruzious]

From a value perspective this is unquestionably a bad pick. Look what Philly did to acquire Zhaire. There is no universe in which our front office has the wherewithal to do anything like that.

And they make up for it being a poor value pick by also not filling a need.

[NatP4]

It does sound like they overvalued a pre draft workout and the interview process.

[gtn130]

What makes Ernie a terrible evaluator is that he doesn't make decisions based by what a player actually does in basketball games. He bases on the non-basketball stuff like personality, the ability to interview, the ability to play well one-one-one the day of the workout.

He drafted Brown b/c he impressed him with his IQ. IQ that was never displayed on the court. Zhaire on the other hand, oozes high IQ with his actual play and was hugely impactful in college while Troy was not. But because Troy was more eloquent in discussing plays and apparently played well that day, he's the pick despite being a late 1st round prospect at best.

This pick is the definition of a reach. It was like we traded down last night without dumping a contract.

Yup

[dckingsfan]

What makes Ernie a terrible evaluator is that he doesn't make decisions based by what a player actually does in basketball games. He bases on the non-basketball stuff like personality, the ability to interview, the ability to play well one-one-one the day of the workout.

He drafted Brown b/c he impressed him with his IQ. IQ that was never displayed on the court. Zhaire on the other hand, oozes high IQ with his actual play and was hugely impactful in college while Troy was not. But because Troy was more eloquent in discussing plays and apparently played well that day, he's the pick despite being a late 1st round prospect at best.

This pick is the definition of a reach. It was like we traded down last night without dumping a contract.

Yeah - I think I am finally done. I don't think I can stomach the long spiral down.

[Ruzious]

It does sound like they overvalued a pre draft workout and the interview process.

Yup, or they did a poor job of evaluating the pre draft workout and interview process.

[Ruzious]

What makes Ernie a terrible evaluator is that he doesn't make decisions based by what a player actually does in basketball games. He bases on the non-basketball stuff like personality, the ability to interview, the ability to play well one-one-one the day of the workout.

He drafted Brown b/c he impressed him with his IQ. IQ that was never displayed on the court. Zhaire on the other hand, oozes high IQ with his actual play and was hugely impactful in college while Troy was not. But because Troy was more eloquent in discussing plays and apparently played well that day, he's the pick despite being a late 1st round prospect at best.

This pick is the definition of a reach. It was like we traded down last night without dumping a contract.

That last sentence nailed it.

[verbal8]

I know there was a big risk there, but I wish the Wizards could have moved up a spot or 2 to grab Micheal Porter Jr.

I also think there may have been a scenario where they could have picked a more highly rated prospect and traded down for Troy Brown.

Porter would have been interesting. His back surgery is potentially a big problem, though, from what I understand. And I'm also not sure that Brown would have been available later. He might have been, but it's generally tough to say.

If someone else loved Brown - I don't see how taking Lonnie Walker or Josh Okogie would be that big of a step down.

Given the shortage of assets and cap situation even a future 2nd would be a good help. If someone was willing to eat Meeks' salary Ted might consider EG the GM of the year.

[DCZards]

What makes Ernie a terrible evaluator is that he doesn't make decisions based by what a player actually does in basketball games. He bases on the non-basketball stuff like personality, the ability to interview, the ability to play well one-one-one the day of the workout.

He drafted Brown b/c he impressed him with his IQ. IQ that was never displayed on the court. Zhaire on the other hand, oozes high IQ with his actual play and was hugely impactful in college while Troy was not. But because Troy was more eloquent in discussing plays and apparently played well that day, he's the pick despite being a late 1st round prospect at best.

This pick is the definition of a reach. It was like we traded down last night without dumping a contract.

You watch video of Brown and his playmaking, motor and D all say high bball IQ. It's fine not to like this pick but you've chosen the wrong reason.

What I like about Brown as compared to Smith is that he's taller, longer and capable of defending more positions. It will be interesting to see whether Brown or Smith turns out to be the better player.

[Ruzious]

What makes Ernie a terrible evaluator is that he doesn't make decisions based by what a player actually does in basketball games. He bases on the non-basketball stuff like personality, the ability to interview, the ability to play well one-one-one the day of the workout.

He drafted Brown b/c he impressed him with his IQ. IQ that was never displayed on the court. Zhaire on the other hand, oozes high IQ with his actual play and was hugely impactful in college while Troy was not. But because Troy was more eloquent in discussing plays and apparently played well that day, he's the pick despite being a late 1st round prospect at best.

This pick is the definition of a reach. It was like we traded down last night without dumping a contract.

Yeah - I think I am finally done. I don't think I can stomach the long spiral down.

This is why it comes in handy to have a 2nd team to root for. 2 picks later the Bucks picked Donte Di - a player who should fit in right away as a rookie. I can't wait to see him and Brogdon playing together - with Giannis. I don't need no stinking Wizards.

[NatP4]

You do realize that the bucks last 3 draft picks have been Dj Wilson (bust) Thon Maker (bust) Rashad Vaughn (bust) all top 17 picks? Divincenzo has a role player ceiling.

Aren’t they the team that also gave away McCaw, Powell, and Sindarious Thornwell in round 2?

[prime1time]

Kind of frustrating to come into a thread on recently drafted player and see mainly bitter posts about the GM and the coach. What are people's realistic expectations for Troy Brown? We are starting to build a winning culture, albeit in spite of ourselves, and I think a player like Troy Brown can really fit well. Part of me also feels, we drafted Brown to trade Otto to New Orleans for Cousins...Only time will tell.

[NatP4]

Let’s see what happens in the summer league, how much creating will Zhaire Smith be doing in the pick and roll?

Excited

[prime1time]

Also, what's up with all of the super definitive declarations about Troy Brown's future. The kid is 18 years old. Some times I think the conclusions a person draws about a draft pick says more about the person than the player. I really don't get the hate for Troy Brown.

[TGW]

Good pick

[pcbothwel]

It does sound like they overvalued a pre draft workout and the interview process.

Yup, or they did a poor job of evaluating the pre draft workout and interview process.

Maybe, but I think its a good pick. Evan Turner with a 3pt shot or Satoransky with more confidence/playmaking is a VERY good player in this league.
Remember, he is a year younger than Porter Jr. and Ayton. Think about that for a second.

For all those that hate on EG (myself included), we should be happy that a few things occurred.
1) We didnt trade the pick to dump salary
2) We went young with upside
3) We went with Otto/Sato Archetype of high IQ, Big tool box player, who is both an underrated athlete and shooter.
Go look up Kawhi, Otto, and Sato when they were 18/19 y/o. Hardworking, high IQ, do it all players that couldnt shoot... These guys pan out assuming they dont have TERRIBLE mechanical issues.
Brown is a basketball athlete. Balance, reaction time, etc. Like Otto

And yes, I will admit that I wasnt high on him pre draft. But that is because I didnt like some of his advanced stats and figured he was Evan Turner...But I didnt factor in 2 things:

1) How young he is. Here are all the Freshman Brown is MORE THAN a year younger than:
Ayton, Bamba, Young, SGA, Porter Jr., Robinson, Diallo, Duval, McCoy, Spellman (2 years).
- Younger than some HS Seniors and a late growth spurt... He is going to get better assuming he has the work ethic

2) Shooting mechanics - I saw his shooting numbers and was turned off. But when you see his form you see that its a matter of time and confidence before it falls. Easiest thing to improve on.

I see Caris Levert with better defense and a slightly higher ceiling on offense. This is a SA / GSW type player... Im ok with it

[daSwami]

Waking up today, my enthusiasm for this franchise has never been lower. I'm trying really hard to find a silver lining here.

[I_Like_Dirt]

If someone else loved Brown - I don't see how taking Lonnie Walker or Josh Okogie would be that big of a step down.

Given the shortage of assets and cap situation even a future 2nd would be a good help. If someone was willing to eat Meeks' salary Ted might consider EG the GM of the year.

Everyone always thinks trading up or down for scraps is a great idea. I don't think anyone was really going to accept a trade down to eat Meeks' contract and it's a pretty major assumption that they would have. Maybe some 2nd rounders? It depends who was targeting whom. Walker, I like. I'm not so sure I like Okogie as much. Sometimes you have to accept the picks you have. Being aggressive for aggressive's sake isn't necessarily a positive or a negative. The Bulls, generally a reasonably good drafting team, were super aggressive and traded down from Lamarcus Aldridge for Tyrus Thomas.

I would have loved to see the Wizards dump contracts (without trading picks) or buy other picks or stuff like that, but I can absolutely separate that from this current pick. I think this was a solid pick. There are about a million different reasons to criticize Ernie. Drafting Troy Brown isn't one of them.